Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[DreamTeam09]

It's hilarious that phoenix is leaking alleged offers from minny and toronto to increase the rockets offer while Durant is leaking "I don't want to play for minny or toronto".

Houston has to up that reported offer. They are being ridiculous. Green, #10, and either 2 prospects or 1 prospect + a sun pick is totally reasonable. I don't even see Green as an asset now that he's making 40 milly. At best he is neutral.

As a guy that casually follows the rockets....they better not mess this up. Fred, Thompson, Brooks, Durant, sengun with adams coming off the bench is way too promising to hold up for Reed or Jabari. Stop being ridiculous.

You have a shot to give Durant a chance to become primary scorer with your 4th overall squad intact while STILL maintaining all your picks + prospects filling put the bench plus 1 or 2 phoenix picks.

Durant could break his leg in the first game of the season and they would still have enough assets to acquire a different top 15 player to add to the squad in place of him.

For the love of mercy....just give them Jabari and/or Reed. You have other prospects that can fill out your bench.

I'm gonna be so mad if they blow this but it's possible it's already a done deal and both teams are just stalling for that last extra piece.

Green 10 Jabari+ Reed is a lot a lot - They would still have a cam Whitmore and Eason as youngn's off of the bench tho. Houston is in a position where they could possibly overpay and still be alright. If you value Durant I guess you let it fly. For the most part, none of those guys were integral in the playoffs for em. Green n Jabari were hot & cold

[Thaddy]

I'd do it for RJ and a future first. We'd have a real shot at the title. We'd have IQ and 9th for Morant too.

Poeltl
Durant
Ingram
Barnes
Morant

I'd say we're contenders at that point.

[mdenny]

It's hilarious that phoenix is leaking alleged offers from minny and toronto to increase the rockets offer while Durant is leaking "I don't want to play for minny or toronto".

Houston has to up that reported offer. They are being ridiculous. Green, #10, and either 2 prospects or 1 prospect + a sun pick is totally reasonable. I don't even see Green as an asset now that he's making 40 milly. At best he is neutral.

As a guy that casually follows the rockets....they better not mess this up. Fred, Thompson, Brooks, Durant, sengun with adams coming off the bench is way too promising to hold up for Reed or Jabari. Stop being ridiculous.

You have a shot to give Durant a chance to become primary scorer with your 4th overall squad intact while STILL maintaining all your picks + prospects filling put the bench plus 1 or 2 phoenix picks.

Durant could break his leg in the first game of the season and they would still have enough assets to acquire a different top 15 player to add to the squad in place of him.

For the love of mercy....just give them Jabari and/or Reed. You have other prospects that can fill out your bench.

I'm gonna be so mad if they blow this but it's possible it's already a done deal and both teams are just stalling for that last extra piece.

Green 10 Jabari+ Reed is a lot a lot - They would still have a cam Whitmore and Eason as youngn's off of the bench tho. Houston is in a position where they could possibly overpay and still be alright. If you value Durant I guess you let it fly. For the most part, none of those guys were integral in the playoffs for em. Green n Jabari were hot & cold

Not only would they still have Whitmore and Eason off the bench (both of whom have already shown they can be effective bench players and likely only will get better).

They would also have all their own picks plus two highly valued phoenix picks.

Like I said....Durant could break a leg in the first game of the season.....and they could package the two phoenix picks plus a couple of their own for a different star.

It's like they will have two chances to get this right. Try Durant. If it doesn't work....THEN you will have to make the Knick/magic move and drain your assets for an alternative to Durant.

In addition to that....if the Durant move doesn't quite gel right they can use the two remaining suns picks to add a piece like the 2019 Raptors did in adding Gasol. STILL owning all their own picks after that.

For example....if sengun and Durant don't work (I could see this being a problem but who knows)....you could always turn sengun into a guy like Bam easily.

Watching udoka gameplan with Fred, brooks and bam in his lineup would be nasty. Thats defensive IQ overload. 3 prototypical udoka defenders while you got Durant and Thompson creating.

[ConSarnit]

Edwards must have pissed KD off so badly when they beat him in the playoffs last year because Minny seems like an excellent fit lol

I think it’s because Minny doesn’t want to give him a max extension.

I’d say it’s far more likely because it’s… Minnesota.

KD has chosen exactly where he’s wanted to play since 2016. San Fran, Brooklyn, Phoenix. I’m going to assume Minnesota never came close to making his list at any point in the last decade and it won’t now.

When stars have a say in where they want to go they aren’t going to choose small markets like Minnesota. I’ll be shocked if KD ends up in MIN.

[Dalek]

That's not an upgrade, Quickley averages basically the same stats as him on a significantly cheaper contract

IQ might be younger, but Jamal is a clutch scorer, proven playoff performer, and a player team's have to game plan for. IQ is a glorified six man who averages about 4 points less and weighs about 20 lbs less which is meaningful in a physical league.

Contract difference is big and probably the driving factor for Denver to even consider this. It's the type of move that I can see Masai/Bobby doing because we don't typically attract star talent let alone one who would fit in so well. Scottie/Ingram/Murray is a strong core with support from Poeltl and RJ who can play more a bench role.

Masai didn't even want to pay the Max to Siakam over 4 years, you think he wants to pay Murray 52m in AAV over the next 4 seasons. Murray's contract makes him neutral value at best, he's turning 29 next season with a lot of mileage and injuries on his body from a lot of playoff runs. He also has not performed well in his last 2 playoff runs.

They scored at a similar rate last season.

IQ 22.1 PPG PER 36
Murray 21.5 PPG PER 36

I guess it is a fair point about the mileage but this thread has most people wanting Durant or Giannis and both have serious mileage.

Murray shoots better percentages from the floor than IQ and has the ability to win playoff series and he is a local kid. You need guys you can go to war with and I don't think IQ has it in him.

[rapluva]

Doesn't KD have a NO trade clause in his contract..which means he ain't coming to Toronto.

Raps might be trying to be the third team trying to get rid of someone on our team while trying to get some assets back in return.

We got CBs contract to throw in before it expires..plus RJ seems to be on the block..if only RJ could accept coming off the bench like Harden used to be for the Thunder or like Manu off the bench for the Spurs.

[S.W.A.N]

Doesn't KD have a NO trade clause in his contract..which means he ain't coming to Toronto.

Raps might be trying to be the third team trying to get rid of someone on our team while trying to get some assets back in return.

We got CBs contract to throw in before it expires..plus RJ seems to be on the block..if only RJ could accept coming off the bench like Harden used to be for the Thunder or like Manu off the bench for the Spurs.

Nah there only one no trade clause in the nba and it Beal.

Durant has I'm old and won't sign an extension clause

[mihaic]

Read on Twitter

Guess who was right haha

This guy is a loser
why post this?

Because we are looking to trade everyone it seems and thats exactly what Thompson was implying Masai/Bobby will do. Just found it funny lol.

Trading for superstars is not what loser TT said or imply. Not sure what your point is? How was he right?

Edit: I probably misunderstood your point.

[brownbobcat]

I'd do it for RJ and a future first. We'd have a real shot at the title. We'd have IQ and 9th for Morant too.

Poeltl
Durant
Ingram
Barnes
Morant

I'd say we're contenders at that point.

I'm pretty sure they'd have to trade every other player on the team to make that work.

Would it work? Doubtful, but entertaining as hell I'm sure.

[mihaic]

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

Please keep ignoring that we'd be surrendering at least two starting players along with a Top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a team that was in the lottery despite the crappiness of the East this year if it helps you rationalize how stupid this decision would be.

That package makes zero sense for a rental. And a one year rental at that!

Wait I thought Quick and RJ were overpaid bums

You did not learn?
They are only bums if they are not traded.

[mihaic]

Did windy even say that we’re willing to include #9 in the package for KD

Orrrr

That we’re simply willing to trade it in a separate deal

Its just been said that we have IQ, RJ, Poeltl and the 9th pick as our main assets to trade for an upgrade. Obviously each trade will have its own unique package depending on the player(s).

Our Dick is untouchable

[Scase]

So what .. lol Masai did the deal and didn't give af

Like I said, cause it was worth the risk, this would not be worth the risk. But honestly I wouldnt want KD to re-up with us, that would be an awful contract lol

We don't know what he's spending yet so too early to say. If KD wants to re-up with us, we are re-upping him.

Re-signing a 38 year old KD for a 60mil/yr contract would be beyond brain dead.

[sidsid]

Edwards must have pissed KD off so badly when they beat him in the playoffs last year because Minny seems like an excellent fit lol

I think it’s because Minny doesn’t want to give him a max extension.

I’d say it’s far more likely because it’s… Minnesota.

KD has chosen exactly where he’s wanted to play since 2016. San Fran, Brooklyn, Phoenix. I’m going to assume Minnesota never came close to making his list at any point in the last decade and it won’t now.

When stars have a say in where they want to go they aren’t going to choose small markets like Minnesota. I’ll be shocked if KD ends up in MIN.

He hasn't pushed the veto button yet.

What I think might be the play is he sees how the early season goes on his new non-destination team and maybe forces a trade at the deadline if it's really not working.

[TGM]

It’s funny how people keep focusing on the age. KD is still balling and his body shows that he can still play at a high level. My guess is if I took KD till he was 42 versus IQ or RJ from 25-30. KD would still out produce those guys. KD would have been dropping 30 a night if it weren’t becuase he was sharing shots with Booker and Beal.

The man’s body is like a 32 year old and has still some very good years left in him.

[Brinbe]

Read on Twitter

if they hold true to this, he ends up in minnesota for that rudy/ddv/dillingham package

and he makes more sense for a team like the wolves who are on the cusp of contending but need an extra scoring boost to pair with Ant

[WuTang_OG]

Like I said, cause it was worth the risk, this would not be worth the risk. But honestly I wouldnt want KD to re-up with us, that would be an awful contract lol

We don't know what he's spending yet so too early to say. If KD wants to re-up with us, we are re-upping him.

Re-signing a 38 year old KD for a 60mil/yr contract would be beyond brain dead.

1-2 year extension, Toronto is doing it since he's still producing.

[Mr Funk]

We're not trading the 9th pick and we're not pursuing Morant. Windhorst has zero sources from the Raptors because we generally don't leak anything.

Poeltl, RJ, Agbaji and our 2026 1st could be used in a potential Durant trade. Those three players will become much more expend soon and are probably not in management's long term plans.

[Zeno]

I still think, and it is not because I want it, that we will trade Yak and RJ, no picks for Sabonis who makes 5 million less than them combined.

[Pointgod]

Like I said, cause it was worth the risk, this would not be worth the risk. But honestly I wouldnt want KD to re-up with us, that would be an awful contract lol

We don't know what he's spending yet so too early to say. If KD wants to re-up with us, we are re-upping him.

Re-signing a 38 year old KD for a 60mil/yr contract would be beyond brain dead.

Even worse on a non contending team! The ownership, front office and any fans who support this needs to be thrown in the trash.

[TorontoBarneys]

Not sure why #9 as part of the package for KD is controversial. There's nobody substantial to draft at #9. Frankly, I don't want KD here and think that ship has sailed but we really don't have any actual untouchable assets.

It’s when you include Jakob and #9. Losing your starting center and opportunity to draft his replacement is a dumb move for a rental

I'll agree to that. Especially considering we traded for Jakob by bargaining away some of our future potential as well. Would make no sense.