Switch Mourning and Dwight for careers

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Switch Mourning and Dwight for careers 

Post#1 » by migya » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:26 am

Switching Mourning and Dwight for career. ie Dwight rookie in 1993, Mourning rookie in 2005. How does it play out?

Notes:
Dwight had weak Center opposition, late 00s and early 10s were his prime. Mourning had alltime great Centers in his era; Olajuwon, Robinson, Shaq, Ewing and the likes of Mutombo, Sabonis and Smits.


Is the following evaluation likely?



Dwight Howard in Mourning’s Era (1992–2008)
Dwight’s game (athleticism, rebounding, defense) translates well.

BUT: 90s basketball was extremely physical, and post play was far more technical.

No illegal defense rule, meaning Dwight would face constant hard double teams unless he developed better post moves.

Defensive Impact:
Still elite — his athleticism and shot-blocking would make him a top-tier rim protector.

But he’d have to defend Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Duncan nightly.

Without being able to roam freely (like under modern “defensive 3 seconds” rules), his help defense impact is slightly reduced.

Offensive Impact:
Likely struggles more due to:

Worse spacing (no stretch 4s or pace-and-space)

More reliance on post-up efficiency — his weakness

Hack-a-Dwight becomes even more frequent

Peak Performance:
Still an All-Star, still a DPOY-level player.

Likely not as dominant, maybe more like a stronger version of Dikembe Mutombo or Ben Wallace, rather than a Shaq-lite.

Could be possibly make All-NBA, but not the same consistent 1st-teamer due to all-time center competition.

Team Success:
Might not lead a team to the Finals as the #1 guy due to offensive limitations.

If paired with a strong wing (like Zo was with Tim Hardaway), he’d still anchor elite defenses.




Alonzo Mourning in Dwight’s Era (2004–2023)
Much better spacing, more pick-and-roll usage, less post-banging — ideal for Zo.

Could thrive as a drop big defensively, and as a rim-running + mid-range shooting 5.

More freedom to operate in post.

Defensive Impact:
Still elite. Drop coverage, rim protection, PnR reads — all match Mourning’s skill set.

Probably one of the best defenders in the league 2005–2012.

Competing with lesser centers: Howard, Bynum, Gasol, Noah — he likely dominates this field.

Offensive Impact:
Midrange jumper gives him a weapon Dwight never had.

In a pick-and-pop era, Mourning might shoot ~35–38% on long 2s or adapt to even shoot 3s.

Free throw shooting ~66% makes him less hackable and more clutch.

Peak Performance:
Possibly better than Dwight’s actual peak (22–10–3 on elite efficiency).

Might average ~25 PPG, 11 RPG, 3.5 BPG with great defensive metrics.

Given the weaker center era, he’s likely 1st-Team All-NBA multiple times and possibly wins multiple DPOY.

Team Success:
Could easily lead the Magic to the multiple Finals with his skill set.

More reliable in late-game offense due to mid-range shot and FT%

Potentially greater impact as both a scorer and anchor.



Dwight Howard’s limitations (offensive skill, FT shooting, post moves) are far more exposed in the 90s.

Alonzo Mourning’s strengths (shooting touch, defensive IQ, intensity) are far more rewarded in the 2000s–10s.

If switched eras, Alonzo Mourning likely has the better career than Dwight Howard.
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Re: Switch Mourning and Dwight for careers 

Post#2 » by tsherkin » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:11 pm

migya wrote:Without being able to roam freely (like under modern “defensive 3 seconds” rules), his help defense impact is slightly reduced.[/qoute]

Counterpoint. His check is hanging around the rim all the time and there's no restricted area until 1998. So he's hanging out in the paint like Mutombo, swatting the hell out of anything coming near him. So he's actually probably going to see an INCREASE in help defense utility, particularly with the lower usage of the 3.

Likely struggles more due to:

Worse spacing (no stretch 4s or pace-and-space)

More reliance on post-up efficiency — his weakness


This feels likely. He needed a lot of PnR play, transition and such-like to be uber-relevant on offense. He was mechanical and simplistic in the paint, with no real range. He'd still be a high-teens scorer, but he'd be easier to shut down. He had a face-up game, he just sucked as a passer and was turnover-prone. Kind of like Ewing without the 17-footer, and worse at the line.

So yeah, definitely more of a struggle at the time if the goal was for him to be a 20+ ppg scorer.

Alonzo Mourning in Dwight’s Era (2004–2023)
Much better spacing, more pick-and-roll usage, less post-banging — ideal for Zo.

Could thrive as a drop big defensively, and as a rim-running + mid-range shooting 5.

More freedom to operate in post.


Probably fairly similar on O. Not a stunning passer. Progressively weaker at the line as his career advanced. He'd be good, but probably more like Dwight-ish overall. Not as explosive as Dwight.


Defensive Impact:
Still elite. Drop coverage, rim protection, PnR reads — all match Mourning’s skill set.

Probably one of the best defenders in the league 2005–2012.


The impact of his rim protection is a little different against more three-point shooting and screen action. He could get hunted on mismatches as well as anyone in this era. Lateral quickness was not Mourning's grand gift as a defender against smaller guys.

Still, he would be pretty nasty as a backline defender. Considerably worse than Dwight as a defensive rebounder, which erodes some of his utility. At his best, a similar offensive rebounder, but yeah, defensively, he was sort of bleh on that front.

Offensive Impact:
Midrange jumper gives him a weapon Dwight never had.

In a pick-and-pop era, Mourning might shoot ~35–38% on long 2s or adapt to even shoot 3s.


So, in his actual career from 97 on, he shot 43.4% on those shots. They presented 12.1% of his total FGA in that period, or around 1.2 FGA/g. In 99, he took almost 2 per game and shot 36%, so he was a little up and down, and he pretty consistently sucked from 10-16 feet. A year later, of course, he shot 47.9% on 18% of his total volume, or about 2.8 of them per game, so... Like I said, inconsistent.

It really depends which Mourning you get. If he's clicking over 40% (league average in 2025), then you're talking about a valuable weapon, but he was pretty up and down. And of course, there's some shakiness with any of those particular numbers because after 2000, the kidney stuff and age got in the way and obviously he wasn't the same. But the 2000 season was good, and if he could do that, it'd be a useful weapon. Mourning was generally a pretty scorer when he was in that 19-21 ppg range. If you extend him beyond that, it starts to get dicey, but he was like a 58.7% TS guy on 21 ppg in that period.

Weak passer, but compared to Dwight, that matters less. It does help realize you'd need a really strong perimeter player running the show if you wanted to use him in volume. Throw him on, say, Indiana and he starts to look pretty good... but Siakam is a much better passer as well, so there's give and take. Mourning's D was always better than his O.


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Dwight Howard’s limitations (offensive skill, FT shooting, post moves) are far more exposed in the 90s.

Alonzo Mourning’s strengths (shooting touch, defensive IQ, intensity) are far more rewarded in the 2000s–10s.
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Eh. I don't think anything would have changed. He's still not likely to win a title. He's not winning an MVP. His shooting touch isn't that much more rewarded in the given period, it just opens him up to being a better individual scorer.

I don't think that he'd be better defensively at all, I think you overstated the differences between him and Dwight to highlight era differences which really didn't help Dwight that much as opposed to curbing his ability to linger in the paint and swat shots the way 90s centers did. So I think they'd probably be similar-ish there in the broader sense, with Dwight actually having an edge due to his mobility and rebounding.

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