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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#441 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:32 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:POR wants to get off Grant's contract
I'll do it if they add Clingan


ya, that Grant contract is going to be almost impossible to move, especially with him coming off a season where he shot 37% from the field.

Still has 3 more years. 32M this coming season, then 34M, then a 36M player option which he will most certainly pick-up.


it's only 1 more year than RJ if grant picks up his PO. he's a really good 3 point shooter and we need that from the front court. and would probably get much better looks under darko's offense.

i would make the deal, even if it's just rj for grant.

with that said, grant makes $5 mil more/year so we'd have to add a player to offset the salary for our tax purposes or we'd need some draft compensation - even if it's a few 2nds.


Grant is 31 and just put up a 52 TS% season. He's played 54, 47, 63, 54 and 47 games the last 5 seasons. There is a very good chance he's just washed now with the combination of age and injuries catching up to him. There is zero chance Masai has interest in adding him to our roster.
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Post#442 » by Tor_Raps » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:32 pm

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This guy is a loser
why post this?


Because we are looking to trade everyone it seems and thats exactly what Thompson was implying Masai/Bobby will do. Just found it funny lol.

Trading for superstars is not what loser TT said or imply. Not sure what your point is? How was he right?

Edit: I probably misunderstood your point.


"Hopefully you will all still be there at the end of Masai/Bobby's longterm vision"

And now there are rumors of the whole roster being available for trade talks lol.
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#444 » by TGM » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:47 pm

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TGM wrote:It’s funny how people keep focusing on the age. KD is still balling and his body shows that he can still play at a high level. My guess is if I took KD till he was 42 versus IQ or RJ from 25-30. KD would still out produce those guys. KD would have been dropping 30 a night if it weren’t becuase he was sharing shots with Booker and Beal.

The man’s body is like a 32 year old and has still some very good years left in him.



Reasons be against the trade:

- he is 37, every athletes body is 'younger' than the equivilant of a normal person
- we only have him guaranteed for one year, he may very well leave after that year, and we lost 3 valuable assets for nothing,
- we give up 2 startes and a FRP for a Player that WONT make a difference in our success
- he is a diva, there were always problems with him, not matter how good he plays, but i dont think the headache is worth it
- we are NOT a KD away from competing
- this a multiyear process, so you need players around the age of the core, or at least in their prime, not already past the prime


KD was putting up 27 a game on one of the most efficient percentages at 37. That is better than players 10-15 years younger his age.

I’m not worried about the 1 year deal. Teams that have cap space won’t sign KD cause they aren’t competing so teams that want him will have to be via sign and trade. Unless KD isn’t looking for max. Any team wanting him will have to send assets back to make a deal. The Raps are not going to be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and take back bad contracts to ship off KD. Deals like what Miami or Houston are offering will likely still be around.

You can’t look at a KD deal and just say we aren’t ready to compete. kD is just on piece, but a crucial piece to compete.
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Post#445 » by TGM » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:11 pm

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Not sure it changes either team much, if at all, but I have had a feeling the Raps are after Simons.


If you were going to pay Simons, why not just pay RJ? Both good scorers, but bad defenders.


We might see Simons as an expiring contract that allows us to bring back Agbaji. Portland maybe does it to move up, clear the PG log jam and get a back up 2/3.


I think any RJ deal might be for Ayton. Or could be for Simons and Robert Williams.

Especially if we move Jakob we will need back a C. I don’t see Clingnan being available.
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Post#446 » by God Squad » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:16 pm

I've been down this road before..
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Post#447 » by WiggOuts » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:16 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Houston doesn't have a centre to offer PHX and don't want to give up 27+29.
This would have been in the bag for HOU if they put #27 from PHX on the table .. along with #10 ... but they know PHX will implode by then so its tricky.

Houston has Phoenix’s No. 10 overall pick in this draft class and control of the Suns’ top selection in 2027 and 2029. Gathering some of those draft assets back in return for Durant would greatly appeal to Phoenix, league sources told HoopsHype.


Toronto has a decent package on the table with combo of IQ, Poeltl, RJ, #9

You think trading IQ, Jak, RJ and 9 is a good deal for 37 year old Durant? How good of a team do we have after that? That's a ridiculous trade...we have no other C, trading Jak immediately makes us significantly worse
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Post#448 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:25 pm

POR not doing it unless they really dont want to pay Simon ... but I could see this framework. PHX wants players over picks for Booker.

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Post#449 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:25 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:Houston doesn't have a centre to offer PHX and don't want to give up 27+29.
This would have been in the bag for HOU if they put #27 from PHX on the table .. along with #10 ... but they know PHX will implode by then so its tricky.

Houston has Phoenix’s No. 10 overall pick in this draft class and control of the Suns’ top selection in 2027 and 2029. Gathering some of those draft assets back in return for Durant would greatly appeal to Phoenix, league sources told HoopsHype.


Toronto has a decent package on the table with combo of IQ, Poeltl, RJ, #9

You think trading IQ, Jak, RJ and 9 is a good deal for 37 year old Durant? How good of a team do we have after that? That's a ridiculous trade...we have no other C, trading Jak immediately makes us significantly worse


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Post#450 » by ArthurVandelay » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:35 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:POR not doing it unless they really dont want to pay Simon ... but I could see this framework. PHX wants players over picks for Booker.

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I imagine the Bane news was met with a loud, "****!" in Portland.

I was reading on Rip City Project and they were talking about including the #11 to get RJ.
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Post#451 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:36 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:POR not doing it unless they really dont want to pay Simon ... but I could see this framework. PHX wants players over picks for Booker.

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I imagine the Bane news was met with a loud, "****!" in Portland.

I was reading on Rip City Project and they were talking about including the #11 to get RJ.


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Post#452 » by Potential » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:38 pm

Why do people think we're getting Clingan? He's not going anywhere and put up some crazy defensive numbers
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Post#453 » by TGM » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:43 pm

Not sure how realistic,

Here is a big shake-up and combo of rumours:

Simon’s, Richard’s and 11th pick to Toronto
RJ, return back Portland’s second rounder 2025 and Ochai to Blazers

Kris Murray, Duop Reath to Suns

Deal 2

IQ, Jakob and 9th for KD and 29th.

Raps draft Malauch or Sorber at 11.

Simons - Shead
Ingram - Walter - Lawson
Durant - Dick - Battle
Barnes - Mogbo- Chomche
Richards- Sorber - Castleton
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#454 » by NotMyKawhi » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:47 pm

I like

KD, sharpe, 19 and 26 to the raptors.

Cam Johnson, poeltl, ochai to the suns

RJ and 9 to the Nets

IQ, Scottie, BI, KD, Sharpe
Shead, dick, jakobe, mongo, 19

Blazers, battle, lawson, boucher, chomche
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Post#455 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:48 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:Ahhhh man. I'm just waiting for the Portland fan to show up. I forget his handle, but he rejects everything.

As for Sharpe or Clingan. I'm pretty sure the Blazers are very high on those guys. I'd be shocked if they are leaving.

"Barnes for Grant? POR says no".
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Post#456 » by RapsFanInOhio » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:48 pm

Something is brewing for sure.
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Post#457 » by NoBias » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:51 pm

Probably lining up an Ayton trade, so that if we trade Poeltl for KD, we’d still have a centre.
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Post#458 » by NoBias » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:52 pm

Quickley, Poeltl, 9 for KD
Barrett for Ayton + 11
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Post#459 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:53 pm

Clingan is likely untouchable, but if he wasnt...

TOR - KD, Clingan
POR - Dick
PHO - Barrett, Poeltl

Then add picks from TOR to POR and PHO all around to balance it out.

IQ/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Barnes/Agbaji
Durant/Boucher
Clingan/Mogbo

If you can SOMEHOW keep 9 and draft Malauch or Queen it is even better
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#460 » by Brinbe » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:53 pm

So RJ would obviously be used as salary ballast to get Ayton or Timelord to fill Yak's old role (assuming IQ is gone to Phoenix with Yak) Y'know their actual surplus Cs, not the good, young one they just drafted. Why the hell would they ever trade Clingen? That makes zero sense.

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