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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#1341 » by nivisi9 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:49 pm

Landomar wrote:If we take a big swing, Sabonis is the guy I'd be going for. Poeltl, Barrett, and 9 is the deal that makes sense to me, although I'm not sure if Sacramento would be interested at all. I like Sabonis a lot more than some of the other "big fish" names because he has 3 years left on his deal, is still in his prime, and seems extremely underrated to me.

I also like that Sabonis is pretty much an ideal fit for a Darko offense. We like running a lot of actions through our center, and Sabonis is a great passer who can also make open threes from the top of the arc, while also being able to score on bully ball moves to the basket. He's led the league in rebounding for three years in a row, and I don't think people value rebounding nearly as much as they should these days. I also think the concerns over his defense are overblown. He's a much better defensive player than a Towns or Vucevic, as he is actually pretty good positionally and gives a good effort. I think having Scottie Barnes around as a help defender would complement him extremely well.


what makes Sabonis so underrated?

He doesn't appear to drive winning, he can't shoot, cant play defense, isn't versatile.

He definitely leans empty calories stats guy in a "star" context..

His former team is in the finals because they traded him..

all of which not great signs as the target " all-in big fish trade" which will take a substantial package to acquire him.

Just seems like another treadmill move.

this is a common error in team building, trying to acquire as many 20ppg scorers or heavy stat players forgetting that there is only one ball, so many shots in a game etc.

How does a player impact winning when they dont have the ball? how efficient are they when they do get it? how do they slow down their match up?

Finding those players is what actually makes your "team" better.
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Post#1342 » by Psubs » Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:54 pm

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Landomar wrote:If we take a big swing, Sabonis is the guy I'd be going for. Poeltl, Barrett, and 9 is the deal that makes sense to me, although I'm not sure if Sacramento would be interested at all. I like Sabonis a lot more than some of the other "big fish" names because he has 3 years left on his deal, is still in his prime, and seems extremely underrated to me.

I also like that Sabonis is pretty much an ideal fit for a Darko offense. We like running a lot of actions through our center, and Sabonis is a great passer who can also make open threes from the top of the arc, while also being able to score on bully ball moves to the basket. He's led the league in rebounding for three years in a row, and I don't think people value rebounding nearly as much as they should these days. I also think the concerns over his defense are overblown. He's a much better defensive player than a Towns or Vucevic, as he is actually pretty good positionally and gives a good effort. I think having Scottie Barnes around as a help defender would complement him extremely well.


what makes Sabonis so underrated?

He doesn't appear to drive winning, he can't shoot, cant play defense, isn't versatile.

He definitely leans empty calories stats guy in a "star" context..

His former team is in the finals because they traded him..

all of which not great signs as the target " all-in big fish trade" which will take a substantial package to acquire him.

Just seems like another treadmill move.


This is how I feel about RJ Barrett. He does the meat and potatoes lifting on offence but isn't efficient.

Just sign Luke Kornet for the MLE for 4 years with max raises and this team becomes a playoff team with addition of Brandon Ingram and #9 pick.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#1343 » by nivisi9 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:58 pm

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Landomar wrote:If we take a big swing, Sabonis is the guy I'd be going for. Poeltl, Barrett, and 9 is the deal that makes sense to me, although I'm not sure if Sacramento would be interested at all. I like Sabonis a lot more than some of the other "big fish" names because he has 3 years left on his deal, is still in his prime, and seems extremely underrated to me.

I also like that Sabonis is pretty much an ideal fit for a Darko offense. We like running a lot of actions through our center, and Sabonis is a great passer who can also make open threes from the top of the arc, while also being able to score on bully ball moves to the basket. He's led the league in rebounding for three years in a row, and I don't think people value rebounding nearly as much as they should these days. I also think the concerns over his defense are overblown. He's a much better defensive player than a Towns or Vucevic, as he is actually pretty good positionally and gives a good effort. I think having Scottie Barnes around as a help defender would complement him extremely well.


what makes Sabonis so underrated?

He doesn't appear to drive winning, he can't shoot, cant play defense, isn't versatile.

He definitely leans empty calories stats guy in a "star" context..

His former team is in the finals because they traded him..

all of which not great signs as the target " all-in big fish trade" which will take a substantial package to acquire him.

Just seems like another treadmill move.


This is how I feel about RJ Barrett. He does the meat and potatoes lifting on offence but isn't efficient.

Just sign Luke Kornet for the MLE for 4 years with max raises and this team becomes a playoff team with addition of Brandon Ingram and #9 pick.


I guess..

playoff team as in what though? a 7th seed?

and going where exactly?

not the lottery anymore, we look destined for treadmill purgatory.

We rushed things as usual, a crushing habit of Masai team building/rebuild philosophy.

and agreed on RJ, thats exactly why he wont get paid and should be moved.

for those who dont get it calling him "criminally underrated" he's not. There are very concerning factors (efficiency, lack of mid+ 3pt shooting, defense, FT shooting, size for ideal position-wing, etc.) if you look past his raw output.
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Post#1344 » by Psubs » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:15 pm

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what makes Sabonis so underrated?

He doesn't appear to drive winning, he can't shoot, cant play defense, isn't versatile.

He definitely leans empty calories stats guy in a "star" context..

His former team is in the finals because they traded him..

all of which not great signs as the target " all-in big fish trade" which will take a substantial package to acquire him.

Just seems like another treadmill move.


This is how I feel about RJ Barrett. He does the meat and potatoes lifting on offence but isn't efficient.

Just sign Luke Kornet for the MLE for 4 years with max raises and this team becomes a playoff team with addition of Brandon Ingram and #9 pick.


I guess..

playoff team as in what though? a 7th seed?

and going where exactly?

not the lottery anymore, we look destined for treadmill purgatory.

We rushed things as usual, a crushing habit of Masai team building/rebuild philosophy.

and agreed on RJ, thats exactly why he wont get paid and should be moved.

for those who dont get it calling him "criminally underrated" he's not. There are very concerning factors (efficiency, lack of mid+ 3pt shooting, defense, FT shooting, size for ideal position-wing, etc.) if you look past his raw output.


Don't worry, next year is a loaded draft. Can get Acuff, Stirtz, Haugh, Alex Condon or Sergio deLarrea in the late teens. Don't forget Moustapha Thiam! I think Thiam will emerge like Kel'el Ware (with more forward skills) transferring too.

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Post#1345 » by littlerock2277 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:34 pm

Do you think we should target JJJ if Memphis is looking to rebuild? I know he sucks at rebounding but he would be a good fit besides Barnes and Ingram.

Maybe package Barret poeltl and picks for JJJ
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Post#1346 » by nivisi9 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:34 pm

Psubs wrote:
nivisi9 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
This is how I feel about RJ Barrett. He does the meat and potatoes lifting on offence but isn't efficient.

Just sign Luke Kornet for the MLE for 4 years with max raises and this team becomes a playoff team with addition of Brandon Ingram and #9 pick.


I guess..

playoff team as in what though? a 7th seed?

and going where exactly?

not the lottery anymore, we look destined for treadmill purgatory.

We rushed things as usual, a crushing habit of Masai team building/rebuild philosophy.

and agreed on RJ, thats exactly why he wont get paid and should be moved.

for those who dont get it calling him "criminally underrated" he's not. There are very concerning factors (efficiency, lack of mid+ 3pt shooting, defense, FT shooting, size for ideal position-wing, etc.) if you look past his raw output.


Don't worry, next year is a loaded draft. Can get Acuff, Stirtz, Haugh, Alex Condon or Sergio deLarrea in the late teens. Don't forget Moustapha Thiam! I think Thiam will emerge like Kel'el Ware (with more forward skills) transferring too.



too bad we made treadmill trades to end our rebuild and remove ourselves from the lottery..

You can keep worrying

unless we're betting on those Mav/Flaggg outcomes, oh yeah we're good!
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Post#1347 » by navyblue » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:38 pm

littlerock2277 wrote:Do you think we should target JJJ if Memphis is looking to rebuild? I know he sucks at rebounding but he would be a good fit besides Barnes and Ingram.

Maybe package Barret poeltl and picks for JJJ

No
His contract situation is dicey. He will reach free agency and there are teams with potential cap space next summer, some of them like clippers Lakers heat will have cap space.
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Post#1348 » by littlerock2277 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:41 pm

navyblue wrote:
littlerock2277 wrote:Do you think we should target JJJ if Memphis is looking to rebuild? I know he sucks at rebounding but he would be a good fit besides Barnes and Ingram.

Maybe package Barret poeltl and picks for JJJ

No
His contract situation is dicey. He will reach free agency and there are teams with potential cap space next summer, some of them like clippers Lakers heat will have cap space.


That’s a good point totally forgot about his contract situation. Memphis is an interesting trading partner if they looking to implode. Some decent prospects on their roster.
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Post#1349 » by nivisi9 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:45 pm

Let's say we do take Malauch at 9# and you do believe in him as C of the future.

Is the move to package Poeltl + RJ + future picks for?...

or no?

PG- Quickley
SG- Ingram
SF-
PF- Barnes
C- Malauch

can go either wing or PF target

excluding Giannis, any ideas?

I almost feel like RJ + Poeltl combined value will be more then anyone you can trade them together for..

Poeltl is quite underrated impact on winning wise.

we have limited options as it appears we are done building with lottery level prospects, the hope being Malauch is a homerun pick eventually
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Post#1350 » by Mattatron » Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:11 pm

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Landomar wrote:If we take a big swing, Sabonis is the guy I'd be going for. Poeltl, Barrett, and 9 is the deal that makes sense to me, although I'm not sure if Sacramento would be interested at all. I like Sabonis a lot more than some of the other "big fish" names because he has 3 years left on his deal, is still in his prime, and seems extremely underrated to me.

I also like that Sabonis is pretty much an ideal fit for a Darko offense. We like running a lot of actions through our center, and Sabonis is a great passer who can also make open threes from the top of the arc, while also being able to score on bully ball moves to the basket. He's led the league in rebounding for three years in a row, and I don't think people value rebounding nearly as much as they should these days. I also think the concerns over his defense are overblown. He's a much better defensive player than a Towns or Vucevic, as he is actually pretty good positionally and gives a good effort. I think having Scottie Barnes around as a help defender would complement him extremely well.


what makes Sabonis so underrated?

He doesn't appear to drive winning, he can't shoot, cant play defense, isn't versatile.

He definitely leans empty calories stats guy in a "star" context..

His former team is in the finals because they traded him..

all of which not great signs as the target " all-in big fish trade" which will take a substantial package to acquire him.

Just seems like another treadmill move.

this is a common error in team building, trying to acquire as many 20ppg scorers or heavy stat players forgetting that there is only one ball, so many shots in a game etc.

How does a player impact winning when they dont have the ball? how efficient are they when they do get it? how do they slow down their match up?

Finding those players is what actually makes your "team" better.



Like wtf did I just read...

I'm no Sabonis fan but he's definitely not a empty stat type of player.

And no his former team is in the finals because they traded for Haliburton and Siakam, and Carlisle. Not because they traded Sabonis away.

No he's not a bad defender, he's a pretty good defender around the basket and in the zone.
Just not good at the perimeter, because he's not that quick, but that's a luxury only Gobert, Embiid and a few other have in their Skillset.

"common error in team building, trying to acquire as many 20ppg scorers or heavy stat players forgetting that there is only one ball, so many shots in a game"

This exposes your casual iq, sabonis is not a natural 20ppg nor a heavy stat player nor does he fit the scheme, he's a versatile playmaking hardworking big who doesn't need the ball in his hands to have an impact.

You bit*hing about having many 20ppg players on the roster while having RJ, BI, SB and potentially IQ on the team are inefficient players who need the ball in their hands to have some kind of impact. Or they're useless. Except for Barnes.
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Post#1351 » by CazOnReal » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:17 pm

littlerock2277 wrote:Do you think we should target JJJ if Memphis is looking to rebuild? I know he sucks at rebounding but he would be a good fit besides Barnes and Ingram.

Maybe package Barret poeltl and picks for JJJ

Who is rebounding if we trade Poeltl?
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Post#1352 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:51 am

Would y’all move back from 9 to 12 to turn RJ into Coby White (and expiring Zach Collins)?

More shooting and he can put the ball on the floor. Would be a nice 6th man (assuming he plan is to start Dick)
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Post#1353 » by RaptorPride » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:09 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Would y’all move back from 9 to 12 to turn RJ into Coby White (and expiring Zach Collins)?

More shooting and he can put the ball on the floor. Would be a nice 6th man (assuming he plan is to start Dick)

Yes, I'm a big fan of Coby White. I would then look to move IQ for a big man 4 or 5.
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Post#1354 » by CazOnReal » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:20 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Would y’all move back from 9 to 12 to turn RJ into Coby White (and expiring Zach Collins)?

More shooting and he can put the ball on the floor. Would be a nice 6th man (assuming he plan is to start Dick)

I'd consider it if an extension was pre-agreed to but it'd ultimately depend on if one of or both Malauch/Queen are off the board. Don't really love a backcourt of White/Quickley and don't consider Coby more than a sidegrade at the 1 given he's not a particularly excellent playmaker. In fact i'd go so far as to say IQ is the better lead guard in terms of their ability to set the table for their teammates so he'd have to embrace a 6th man role a la Norm Powell when asked to do so in Portland/L.A.

That said if we came out of the draft with Derik Queen, a forward at 39 and Coby White? Not the worst thing in the world.
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Post#1355 » by Mr Swagtastic » Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:36 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Would y’all move back from 9 to 12 to turn RJ into Coby White (and expiring Zach Collins)?

More shooting and he can put the ball on the floor. Would be a nice 6th man (assuming he plan is to start Dick)
Coby White is a microwave scorer but not a solid enough defensive player you can pair with Quickley both would be bbq chicken on a nightly basis. Mulach and Queen are gone by 12 so that leaves one of Wolf, Coward, Sober, Denim or Essangue or another guard. Or, sevearly reaching for Raynaurd. Only way I do that is if Masai turned Quickley plus #12 or other assets into a solid SG
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Post#1356 » by djsunyc » Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:52 am

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Post#1357 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:34 am

If we make a big swing Trae Young would be a possible target IMO. Trae/Ingram as your 1/2 offensively is intriguing.

I wonder what the price for him would be.
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Post#1358 » by djsunyc » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:37 am

YogurtProducer wrote:If we make a big swing Trae Young would be a possible target IMO. Trae/Ingram as your 1/2 offensively is intriguing.

I wonder what the price for him would be.


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Post#1359 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:43 pm

Heres my twist on a KD deal and while im against trading #9, if Masai is going to include it in a KD deal, here is my idea:

To TOR: Mark Williams + Kevin Durant
To PHX: Jakob Poeltl + RJ Barrett + #9
To CHA: Gradey Dick + #29

IQ/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Durant/Ochai
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Post#1360 » by Mr Swagtastic » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:27 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Heres my twist on a KD deal and while im against trading #9, if Masai is going to include it in a KD deal, here is my idea:

To TOR: Mark Williams + Kevin Durant
To PHX: Jakob Poeltl + RJ Barrett + #9
To CHA: Gradey Dick + #29

IQ/Shead
Ingram/Walter
Durant/Ochai
Barnes/Mogbo
Williams/FA (Capela?)
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