Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[ArthurVandelay]

POR not doing it unless they really dont want to pay Simon ... but I could see this framework. PHX wants players over picks for Booker.

I imagine the Bane news was met with a loud, "****!" in Portland.

I was reading on Rip City Project and they were talking about including the #11 to get RJ.

Link?

The exact details of what Portland should send over depend on the likely third team involved in such a deal. If it is Durant heading to Toronto, then Robert Williams III or Deandre Ayton make sense to be involved, sending one over to whichever team doesn't have Poeltl. Anfernee Simons could be viewed as a replacement for Quickley if they want to reshape their roster that way. And the defensive-minded Matisse Thybulle is a perfect fit for any team looking to win now.

However, the most important asset the Blazers have to offer is their draft capital, including the No. 11 pick in this upcoming draft. The Raptors are looking for more immediate upgrades, but it would be much easier to land that if the Blazers are sending over picks to that other team.

Last summer's steal for Deni Avdija has proven that general manager Joe Cronin is not afraid to include picks in a deal if it's the right fit. Could Barrett be this summer's version of that? It ultimately depends on what Toronto is asking for in return. But it's in Portland's best interest to find out what that is.

https://ripcityproject.com/raptors-gifted-blazers-golden-opportunity-land-underrated-wing-rj-barrett

[WiggOuts]

Houston doesn't have a centre to offer PHX and don't want to give up 27+29.
This would have been in the bag for HOU if they put #27 from PHX on the table .. along with #10 ... but they know PHX will implode by then so its tricky.



Toronto has a decent package on the table with combo of IQ, Poeltl, RJ, #9

You think trading IQ, Jak, RJ and 9 is a good deal for 37 year old Durant? How good of a team do we have after that? That's a ridiculous trade...we have no other C, trading Jak immediately makes us significantly worse

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My bad, but the Jak part is still valid. I just don't think we're going after KD unless it costs next to nothing. 2 of those 3 players would leave a huge hole if traded and it would be for a position we have too much of. I think that report was using us a leverage. Now I can totally see Masai making offers for Booker, that would make way more sense

[Brinbe]

I imagine the Bane news was met with a loud, "****!" in Portland.

I was reading on Rip City Project and they were talking about including the #11 to get RJ.

Link?

The exact details of what Portland should send over depend on the likely third team involved in such a deal. If it is Durant heading to Toronto, then Robert Williams III or Deandre Ayton make sense to be involved, sending one over to whichever team doesn't have Poeltl. Anfernee Simons could be viewed as a replacement for Quickley if they want to reshape their roster that way. And the defensive-minded Matisse Thybulle is a perfect fit for any team looking to win now.

However, the most important asset the Blazers have to offer is their draft capital, including the No. 11 pick in this upcoming draft. The Raptors are looking for more immediate upgrades, but it would be much easier to land that if the Blazers are sending over picks to that other team.

Last summer's steal for Deni Avdija has proven that general manager Joe Cronin is not afraid to include picks in a deal if it's the right fit. Could Barrett be this summer's version of that? It ultimately depends on what Toronto is asking for in return. But it's in Portland's best interest to find out what that is.

There's an obvious deal there to be made even without Phoenix. Unless the expectation is they get 9 back as compensation for 11? But if they wanna give up 11 in a separate RJ deal for Ayton/Timelord, then where do we sign up?

[sidsid]

what if this is how it turns out - we trade IQ, rj, yak + #9 (AND NO FUTURE FIRSTS) and end up with KD and ayton. sign someone like tyus jones in free agency for a 1 year deal.

it's an all in move at the expense of #9 this year. but with KD and ayton expiring, it would also be a totally clean cap sheet in 26/27 with only scottie + BI as big deals and all our future 1sts.

would you be ok with that?

If we're pairing this with a KD trade, it's likely too difficult to get the math right and fill the rest of the team using Ayton.

The KD+Blazers option means all of RJ/IQ/Jak are gone and at least one of Grady/Ochai as well for salary. You're basically out of contracts to trade without touching BI.

You're looking for shooting and a C and that whittles the salary matching options down to Simons as a lock and then either Clingan or Timelord, with Timelord option likely needing another contract in there to give you breathing room.

Whatever the teams value on the picks, the Clingan option is where the trade down from 9 to 11 happens if that's the case and you send that one over to the Suns.

[Brinbe]

what if this is how it turns out - we trade IQ, rj, yak + #9 (AND NO FUTURE FIRSTS) and end up with KD and ayton. sign someone like tyus jones in free agency for a 1 year deal.

it's an all in move at the expense of #9 this year. but with KD and ayton expiring, it would also be a totally clean cap sheet in 26/27 with only scottie + BI as big deals and all our future 1sts.

would you be ok with that?

If we're pairing this with a KD trade, it's likely too difficult to get the math right and fill the rest of the team using Ayton.

The KD+Blazers option means all of RJ/IQ/Jak are gone and at least one of Grady/Ochai as well for salary. You're basically out of contracts to trade without touching BI.

You're looking for shooting and a C and that whittles the salary matching options down to Simons as a lock and then either Clingan or Timelord, with Timelord option likely needing another contract in there to give you breathing room.

Whatever the teams value on the picks, the Clingan option is where the trade down from 9 to 11 happens if that's the case and you send that one over to the Suns.

Not really. RJ/Ochai/Battle is a match for Ayton. That's not a horrible hit to depth considering we'd still have Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo plus whatever pick we get from Phoenix and Portland to fill the backup C spot. And you can use the MLE to go find some stopgap starting PG

[earthtone]

I’m still of the opinion we’re not going to be involved in any major trades this offseason. Giannis seems to be staying in Milwaukee for now, and a KD to the Raptors makes little sense for either side.

Seems like our FO is definitely out there on the phones doing due diligence, but I don’t see many feasible scenarios where our starting 5 is different come October than it is now

[Shakril]

It’s funny how people keep focusing on the age. KD is still balling and his body shows that he can still play at a high level. My guess is if I took KD till he was 42 versus IQ or RJ from 25-30. KD would still out produce those guys. KD would have been dropping 30 a night if it weren’t becuase he was sharing shots with Booker and Beal.

The man’s body is like a 32 year old and has still some very good years left in him.

Reasons be against the trade:

- he is 37, every athletes body is 'younger' than the equivilant of a normal person
- we only have him guaranteed for one year, he may very well leave after that year, and we lost 3 valuable assets for nothing,
- we give up 2 startes and a FRP for a Player that WONT make a difference in our success
- he is a diva, there were always problems with him, not matter how good he plays, but i dont think the headache is worth it
- we are NOT a KD away from competing
- this a multiyear process, so you need players around the age of the core, or at least in their prime, not already past the prime

KD was putting up 27 a game on one of the most efficient percentages at 37. That is better than players 10-15 years younger his age.

I’m not worried about the 1 year deal. Teams that have cap space won’t sign KD cause they aren’t competing so teams that want him will have to be via sign and trade. Unless KD isn’t looking for max. Any team wanting him will have to send assets back to make a deal. The Raps are not going to be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and take back bad contracts to ship off KD. Deals like what Miami or Houston are offering will likely still be around.

You can’t look at a KD deal and just say we aren’t ready to compete. kD is just on piece, but a crucial piece to compete.

These are the kind of thought processes that prevent teams like the kings to succeed.

[Tha Cynic]

maybe we move back with portland or get out of it completely
I bet TOR wants clingan , since we were super high on him last yr

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Am I missing something? Why are there odds on someone trading for RJ?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

maybe we move back with portland or get out of it completely
I bet TOR wants clingan , since we were super high on him last yr

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Am I missing something? Why are there odds on someone trading for RJ?

One scenario is As a follow up to a Durant trade, where we get Ayton

[Clutch0z24]

If the KD trade goes down its going to be IQ/Yak/9th and after we are going to flip RJ to Blazers for either Timelord or Ayton....Sounds the most realistic...We get the "Big fish" and get a C in return as well....Then we would need to fill the PG spot up in another deal....Id try to get Walter Clayton Jr or Jase Richardson in the draft after all the moves are made.

[PushDaRock]

Not sure how realistic,

Here is a big shake-up and combo of rumours:

Simon’s, Richard’s and 11th pick to Toronto
RJ, return back Portland’s second rounder 2025 and Ochai to Blazers

Kris Murray, Duop Reath to Suns

Deal 2

IQ, Jakob and 9th for KD and 29th.

Raps draft Malauch or Sorber at 11.

Simons - Shead
Ingram - Walter - Lawson
Durant - Dick - Battle
Barnes - Mogbo- Chomche
Richards- Sorber - Castleton

Simons can't be our starting PG and the combination of Richards/rookie C is what you would put out there if you're tanking lol

[MiamiSPX]

The various mouthpieces continually saying the Suns will trade him to wherever they want.....is the biggest tell that they in fact will not do that IMO. They just want Spurs and Rockets to increase their offers.

[ontnut]

I have 0 interest in Ayton. ZERO. Esp after a KD trade. How porous do you want our D and rebounding to be? lol.

If we're not trading for Giannis, I think I'd rather let this current lineup play out to at least the trade deadline.

[sidsid]

what if this is how it turns out - we trade IQ, rj, yak + #9 (AND NO FUTURE FIRSTS) and end up with KD and ayton. sign someone like tyus jones in free agency for a 1 year deal.

it's an all in move at the expense of #9 this year. but with KD and ayton expiring, it would also be a totally clean cap sheet in 26/27 with only scottie + BI as big deals and all our future 1sts.

would you be ok with that?

If we're pairing this with a KD trade, it's likely too difficult to get the math right and fill the rest of the team using Ayton.

The KD+Blazers option means all of RJ/IQ/Jak are gone and at least one of Grady/Ochai as well for salary. You're basically out of contracts to trade without touching BI.

You're looking for shooting and a C and that whittles the salary matching options down to Simons as a lock and then either Clingan or Timelord, with Timelord option likely needing another contract in there to give you breathing room.

Whatever the teams value on the picks, the Clingan option is where the trade down from 9 to 11 happens if that's the case and you send that one over to the Suns.

Not really. RJ/Ochai/Battle is a match for Ayton. That's not a horrible hit to depth considering we'd still have Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo plus whatever pick we get from Phoenix and Portland to fill the backup C spot. And you can use the MLE to go find some stopgap starting PG

I get that you can cheap out on the non-C area too, but unless your C is a spacing one he's not closing games in the playoffs against most contenders. Easier to just get a Capella to fill the 20 minutes Ihart is currently using up in the finals and try to find a more solid veteran player to fit next to Barnes/KD/BI who could fill the potential 35+ asked of them. (It's why I lean towards the Jrue option in this scenario)

[bobbyp3588]

I really really don’t like KD to the raps. He’ll be one and done with us, and will cost way too much in terms of assets to acquire him.

I’d much rather offer up IQ, Yak, #9 and a future protected first (top 6 protection ‘28) for Ja and Edey.

Then do the rumoured RJ for Ayton and 11.

Ja / Walter / Shead
Ochai / Walter / Dick
BI / Dick / Battle
Scottie / Mogbo
Ayton / Edey / Chomche
+ Lawson, Rhoden, Castleton and 11

Not too shabby?

[WuTang_OG]

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[Tor_Raps]

For the record, I don't think this is going to happen but just combining the rumors.

Raptors: KD + Robert Williams + Simons
Suns: Poeltl + IQ + Castleton + 11th pick
Blazers: RJ + Dick + 9th Pick

[Brinbe]

If we're pairing this with a KD trade, it's likely too difficult to get the math right and fill the rest of the team using Ayton.

The KD+Blazers option means all of RJ/IQ/Jak are gone and at least one of Grady/Ochai as well for salary. You're basically out of contracts to trade without touching BI.

You're looking for shooting and a C and that whittles the salary matching options down to Simons as a lock and then either Clingan or Timelord, with Timelord option likely needing another contract in there to give you breathing room.

Whatever the teams value on the picks, the Clingan option is where the trade down from 9 to 11 happens if that's the case and you send that one over to the Suns.

Not really. RJ/Ochai/Battle is a match for Ayton. That's not a horrible hit to depth considering we'd still have Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo plus whatever pick we get from Phoenix and Portland to fill the backup C spot. And you can use the MLE to go find some stopgap starting PG

I get that you can cheap out on the non-C area too, but unless your C is a spacing one he's not closing games in the playoffs against most contenders. Easier to just get a Capella to fill the 20 minutes Ihart is currently using up in the finals and try to find a more solid veteran player to fit next to Barnes/KD/BI who could fill the potential 35+ asked of them. (It's why I lean towards the Jrue option in this scenario)

They can always get Capela and use whatever picks and other filler they need a PG.

The main point and thrust is that there's a way to get to KD/Ingram/Barnes/Ayton, which would perhaps be their aim, without totally blowing all their depth.

Also something to keep in mind, RJ/Ayton and Scottie all have the same agent/representation too.

[sidsid]

In a larger multi-trade KD scenario the Ochai vs. Dick debate should loom larger. They're about the same salary for trade purposes, but Ochai is just playoff built. If you want to win more games just next year, he's one of the few guys who defends on the team. Dick can get Isaiah Joe'd pretty quickly in the playoffs.

[OakleyDokely]

I don't get KD's fascination with the Heat, unless he just wants to keep golfing. They will be lucky to be a .500 team next year.