2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[M2J]

If Ace is refusing workouts, that likely means he has a promise locked in already. Then why bother working out with other teams?

He's going to work out with only us. After all, I don't see Flagg or Harper working out for random lotto teams.

Below is a link to all the draft prospect workouts by team. Harper hasn't worked out for anybody. Flagg only worked out for Mavs.

And of the top prospects, only VJ and Ace are going to work out for us. That means those are the two possibilities for our pick at #3.

Notice that we're not even bothering to work out future ROLE PLAYERS like Nipples lol.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2025-nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-working-out/

Typically promises leak. Also, let's say some team did promise him. It's a slotted salary. He'd make more money with us than any team behind us.

I remember, SGA worked out for the Clippers, (I know it was at 11 different draft position) after that workout he shut it down and didn't work out for another team.

Don't worry... As I've said in my first post in the first draft thread. It's the Spurs... The Spurs want him because Ace fits on any team at multiple positions.... But nobody wants to be the team that skipped the consensus guy in Harper for someone else like Darko. Lots of smoke screens right now and it makes plenty of sense for Ace to want to be in San Antonio playing next to an Alien under the greatest coach/now President of all time. But even more so they would have a clear path for him to start there, because they want to develop young prospects and they don't have anybody they have to value over him.... Even I can admit that he will likely not start in Philadelphia.... None of these guys would considering the teams aspirations

But one thing I know for sure is that Morey doesn't mind things getting awkward... Like his friend here




My prediction is Daryl stays at 3 and takes either Ace or Dylan. I do maintain that it doesn't sound great that after a VJ workout the immediate news was trade up

[Covi_Marsh]

Also, Bodner said he thinks (reading between the lines) that Ace's camp hated the idea of him coming here to be a 4th or 5th option, then reconsidered after realizing how trash his stock actually is (my words) so is going to show up now, lol.

Lol trash stock? Charlotte at 4, Utah at 5, Washington at 6, Pelicans at 7, Brooklyn at 8. Ain’t like he falling out the top 8 if he refuses us. His agent nor Sixers released that leak. It’s one of those 5 teams behind us leaking that he is refusing workouts and sees himself as a top 3 pick.

Relatively speaking. He was supposed to compete with Flagg for #1 and now he’s being talked about as back end of top ten.

Should have went to Duke then lol. Him turning down other workouts is bad tho. He has to know by now Flagg and Harper are going 1&2. If we pass at 3, he may fall if he refused to workout for those teams behind us. I doubt Washington or Utah would care but charlotte very well might. Has Tre worked out for anyone?

[Negrodamus]

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BPMcels in shambles! Their spreadsheets are #REFing out!!!

Bro, you're telling me, I already asked to take a half day today because I'm struggling with this Ace Bailey news. I'm feeling a bit of betrayal from the earlier reports. Going through a whole scope of emotions; do I really know Morey?

[Arsenal]

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BPMcels in shambles! Their spreadsheets are #REFing out!!!

Bro, you're telling me, I already asked to take a half day today because I'm struggling with this Ace Bailey news. I'm feeling a bit of betrayal from the earlier reports. Going through a whole scope of emotions; do I really know Morey?

You should have remembered from before big dawg, that...

DARYL MOREY IS A LIAR

[mksp]

Obviously we'll bring Ace in for a visit NOLA and others to believe we're a viable target for him.

But Morey isn't taking him.

[CPops57]

Don't worry... As I've said in my first post in the first draft thread. It's the Spurs... The Spurs want him because Ace fits on any team at multiple positions....

Ace fits the Spurs positionally, but not in terms of mentality.

Whether or not one likes or dislikes Ace Bailey is irrelevant to this point: I think everybody acknowledges that there are some real basketball IQ and other mentality questions about Ace being asked by some people, right?

I just struggle to think that a team like the Spurs would prioritize that kind of player. Poppovich isn't the coach anymore, but he's still the team president. The ideal Spurs player is low ego, unselfish and sacrificial, good passer and hoops IQ, and other great traits like this that are in question about Ace Bailey.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that doesn't point in the Spurs' direction even a little bit.

But if they want to take him and create a better opportunity for the Sixers, hey I'm all for that.

[Covi_Marsh]

Mavs: Flagg only workout
Spurs: Harper only workout
Sixers: VJ and Ace only workouts
Hornets: couldn’t find anyone top prospect wise
Jazz: Tre Johnson only workout, Kon Kneuppel
Wizards: Jeremiah Fears
Pelicans: Kon Kneuppel, Derrick Queen, Egor Denim, Cedric Coward and a few other that aren’t worth 7.
Nets: Jeremiah Fears, Kon Knueppel

I think we can exclude Kon Knueppel unless we trade down. Doubt an agent would have their client workout as far as 9 unless intel says that’s their range. I would say the same with Tre. I don’t understand why Charlotte worked anyone out yet. Ace, VJ, Kon, Tre should all have something scheduled there unless they declined.

[Negrodamus]

BPMcels in shambles! Their spreadsheets are #REFing out!!!

Bro, you're telling me, I already asked to take a half day today because I'm struggling with this Ace Bailey news. I'm feeling a bit of betrayal from the earlier reports. Going through a whole scope of emotions; do I really know Morey?

You should have remembered from before big dawg, that...

DARYL MOREY IS A LIAR

Totally....

7 and a half days to go before I can go back to liking 2nd round prospects without foaming at the mouth fanboys of prospects posting like lunatics? Is that right?

[76ciology]

I like how Hollinger said it. “You might want to be his second team rather than his first one”.

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[M2J]

Don't worry... As I've said in my first post in the first draft thread. It's the Spurs... The Spurs want him because Ace fits on any team at multiple positions....

Ace fits the Spurs positionally, but not in terms of mentality.

Whether or not one likes or dislikes Ace Bailey is irrelevant to this point: I think everybody acknowledges that there are some real basketball IQ and other mentality questions about Ace being asked by some people, right?

I just struggle to think that a team like the Spurs would prioritize that kind of player. Poppovich isn't the coach anymore, but he's still the team president. The ideal Spurs player is low ego, unselfish and sacrificial, good passer and hoops IQ, and other great traits like this that are in question about Ace Bailey.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that doesn't point in the Spurs' direction even a little bit.

But if they want to take him and create a better opportunity for the Sixers, hey I'm all for that.

I don't think you know his mentality, all we've heard from around the team is he's selfless, terrific teammate, and did what was asked of him on a bad team.

All this other stuff is speculation.

[Arsenal]

Here's Hollinger's board last year with Ron Holland at #1 and Reed Sheppard at #4 overall:

"Best bets" -- Holland, Castle, Clingan, Shepherd
"Promising teenagers" -- Sarr, Topić, Buzelis, Dillingham
"No frills college vets" -- Flip, Carter
"Talented but I have questions" -- Furphy, Collier, Risacher, Knecht, Williams, Salaun, Walter, McCain
"Sleepers" -- Ighodaro, Alexander

Here are the all-rookie teams:
https://www.nba.com/news/2024-25-all-rookie-teams-announced

Hollinger's "analysis" isn't anything special. Total miss on Missi, Carrington, Ware, Edey, Wells, Risacher, McCain. No wonder he got fired from Memphis lol.

[Mik317]

yeah I am an Ace skeptic but Hollinger has been pretty bad for a while now

Ace fans should lock in on Givony being high on him btw...he hated Simmons and ended up correct on him

[CPops57]

I don't think you know his mentality, all we've heard from around the team is he's selfless, terrific teammate, and did what was asked of him on a bad team.

All this other stuff is speculation.

Of course it's all speculation and there's a degree of uncertainty about everybody. None of us here know these prospects personally.

Ace Bailey might secretly be a saint. And yes, many people have said nice things about him.

But there's enough bad about the way he's answered some questions and other things that people just get put off by him and ask these things.

Ultimately, you can't really know anybody else. James Doakes was a homocide detective for the Miami Metro Police Department and a decorated war veteran. Who the hell knew he'd turn out to be the Bay Harbor Butcher? It happens.

[eyeatoma]

I'm out on Ace, if he's being a primadonna, **** him.

[sodmoraes]

Morey is such a big liar that i cant see all his moves and subterfuges...He got moves inside other moves, like submoves man..

[M2J]

I don't think you know his mentality, all we've heard from around the team is he's selfless, terrific teammate, and did what was asked of him on a bad team.

All this other stuff is speculation.

Of course it's all speculation and there's a degree of uncertainty about everybody. None of us here know these prospects personally.

Ace Bailey might secretly be a saint. And yes, many people have said nice things about him.

But there's enough bad about the way he's answered some questions and other things that people just get put off by him and ask these things.

Ultimately, you can't really know anybody else. James Doakes was a homocide detective for the Miami Metro Police Department and a decorated war veteran. Who the hell knew he'd turn out to be the Bay Harbor Butcher? It happens.

My point is mainly the point I've always had. These teams get a lot more Intel than we do... And talk to these guys directly... While fans and even media hang onto every scrap and make bold speculations

[LeonJordanJr24]

That was a propaganda report.

[Stanford]

The anti-Ace contingent has taken over the media and it's absolutely disgusting

[FireMorey]

The thing is even the Bailey detractors don't really deny that his upside is higher than VJ's. Just that he's riskier and they don't think he'll hit that upside. But I've seen very few people gush over VJ. His biggest advocates are even like "He may not ever be an elite scorer, but he can do x, y, z." You don't see many people say they think VJ has a chance to be an elite player.

I don't think Morey is going to be satisfied taking a lower ceiling guy when it comes to offense. It's why I think he's going to move up. VJ - lower offensive upside, but does a lot of things well. Ace - high offensive upside, but risky prospect, a lot of concerns. You're choosing between two iffy options there and I can't see either satisfying him.

[Stanford]

Dabods and Kyle have said from the beginning of this process that Ace's upside isn't as high as people perceive.