Trades and Transactions 2025 continued x2

[Richard4444]

One of the underrated aspects of this CBA is the difficulty it is to get salaries to add up to to larger salaries. Like next season Booker might get offered $75 mil a year. How does anyone trade for him? Honestly how do you build around him either at that amount. A trade waiver system needs to be implemented where like a kicker some part of the salary isn’t counted for trade matching purposes though it will count on both teams books.

But Booker, will get just 35% of the cap space in 2028 and 2029 seasons.

In 2028 and 2029, the cap space will be 206M and 226M, respectively,

First apron?

No, salary cap. I correçt it now.

[jvsimonetti0514]

The Knicks can’t afford to lose OG’s defense. It has to be one of Mikal or Kat. Neither one fits great.

Don’t really love the idea of trading either wing for another forward/center. The team needs another guy that can create off the dribble. If you lose Mikal, it makes our offense even more Brunson centric and I don’t really trust OG to create a shot in an important moment of a game. If you keep Mikal then neither of him or OG are happy with their roles on offense. Not an easy spot to be in right now for the front office.

i think with a proper coach the offense would be fine if we utilize more back door cuts and off ball actions. og is an amazing cutter yet we never really used it to our advantage under thibs

Same, I’d like to keep Brunson, Kat, Mikal, and OG together for another season and see if the next coach can put together an offense with the 4 of them together. That’s why I’d prefer to find smaller moves that complement those 4 better. Even if that means moving hart or Mitch.

[stuporman]

Early in the season the Knicks offense was humming and one of the top ones in the league even as it wasn't firing on all cylinders, though as the season wore on there it sputtered more often. I think a more creative offensive coach can get more consistent production out of the guys even as constructed, yet they will only go as far as being able to stop the other team when it counts.

The new coach has to have them playing better defense, I don't know whether it's scheme or what, with the types of defenders the Knicks had last season it was way too inconsistent. I don't care if it's the head coach or the staff who gets them to play it, but whoever comes in has to be developing a balanced team on both ends of the court, not just a one trick pony.

[mpharris36]

The Knicks can’t afford to lose OG’s defense. It has to be one of Mikal or Kat. Neither one fits great.

I'm not advocating for moving anyone specifically but we are going to get good talent for whoever we do trade. So say you lose a defender whats to say you can't get a defender back but that player could be broken into a 2 or 3 pieces or salaries...or getting a pick(s) to re-route for another player we want.

[god shammgod]

The Knicks can’t afford to lose OG’s defense. It has to be one of Mikal or Kat. Neither one fits great.

I'm not advocating for moving anyone specifically but we are going to get good talent for whoever we do trade. So say you lose a defender whats to say you can't get a defender back but that player could be broken into a 2 or 3 pieces or salaries...or getting a pick(s) to re-route for another player we want.

you need someone as good as og on defense. he's taking all the hardest matchups. i don't see how you get that in return as well as an additional good player.

[Fat]

Run it back just upgrade that dogsh*t bench

[TheGreenArrow]

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I’d do this in a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fury]

The Knicks can’t afford to lose OG’s defense. It has to be one of Mikal or Kat. Neither one fits great.

I'm not advocating for moving anyone specifically but we are going to get good talent for whoever we do trade. So say you lose a defender whats to say you can't get a defender back but that player could be broken into a 2 or 3 pieces or salaries...or getting a pick(s) to re-route for another player we want.

you need someone as good as og on defense. he's taking all the hardest matchups. i don't see how you get that in return as well as an additional good player.

Can’t trade OG. He’s necessary with Brunson.

[mpharris36]

The Knicks can’t afford to lose OG’s defense. It has to be one of Mikal or Kat. Neither one fits great.

I'm not advocating for moving anyone specifically but we are going to get good talent for whoever we do trade. So say you lose a defender whats to say you can't get a defender back but that player could be broken into a 2 or 3 pieces or salaries...or getting a pick(s) to re-route for another player we want.

you need someone as good as og on defense. he's taking all the hardest matchups. i don't see how you get that in return as well as an additional good player.

Yes and No.

OG vs Tatum ton of value.

OG vs the Pacers probably not as much value (I don't think he had much of a defensive impact because the pacers are smart enough to take him out of actions). Brunson and KAT were defending most of the oppositions shots anyway so was his defense super impactful in the conference finals?

I think OG will be more effective with a new coach, because Thibs wasn't the most creative defensive coach. Like we could have run some more matchup zone so OG can't get "switched" off a screen taking away his effectiveness.

But Mikal and OG both hurt us on the offensive end because they simply didn't shoot well enough. Both played very strong defense when they weren't screened off there guy.

Both had the worst +/- in the playoffs because teams figured out they just had to screen them off the best players (attacking brunson and KAT) and there defensive wasn't as impactful and they both didn't shoot well enough to overcome teams scheming them off the best players.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not advocating for moving anyone specifically but we are going to get good talent for whoever we do trade. So say you lose a defender whats to say you can't get a defender back but that player could be broken into a 2 or 3 pieces or salaries...or getting a pick(s) to re-route for another player we want.

you need someone as good as og on defense. he's taking all the hardest matchups. i don't see how you get that in return as well as an additional good player.

Can’t trade OG. He’s necessary with Brunson.

Trading OG is a non starter. Absolutely not.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I don't see Leon making any trades until he hires a new coach. That coach has to have buy-in as to the make up of the roster, or it's doomed to fail.

[KnixinSix]

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I don't think they want to trade Towns but if you already have an defensively deficient player in Brunson the roster construction after that trade might be better overall than current.

[KnixinSix]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280817/Spurs-Stocking-Assets-For-Future-Star-Trade-Over-Kevin-Durant-Pursuit

Durant pursuit may be down to Houston and Miami. Wolves a distant 3rd. As many reports stated KNICKS never made an offer and weren't interested. Any report that said otherwise was incorrect. Knicks did not want 2025 Durant for numerous reasons.

[3toheadmelo]

Confirms what shams said about how we made an offer for him by the trade deadline. And he says there isn’t mutual interest anymore. So we definitely wanted KD at some point.

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[DaGawd]

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[8516knicks]

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I don't think they want to trade Towns but if you already have an defensively deficient player in Brunson the roster construction after that trade might be better overall than current.

All stars DURING the year are different from all stars in the Playoffs. KAT is a prime example. Yes, he still gets points, but not always or often efficiently and did not give us $50M worth play. Especially on D.

[spree2kawhi]

Confirms what shams said about how we made an offer for him by the trade deadline. And he says there isn’t mutual interest anymore. So we definitely wanted KD at some point.

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The level of interest or readiness to offer Phoenix anything of value in their precarious situation should be obvious to a neutral observer. It’s what they call due diligence.

[KnixinSix]

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I don't think they want to trade Towns but if you already have an defensively deficient player in Brunson the roster construction after that trade might be better overall than current.

All stars DURING the year are different from all stars in the Playoffs. KAT is a prime example. Yes, he still gets points, but not always or often efficiently and did not give us $50M worth play. Especially on D.

I do agree conceptually with what you are saying....

In this specific instance though, his advanced analytics in playoffs were better than you think (even better in many respects than Brunson's)
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Also coach being fired may mean FO believes his utilization on defense (which was the biggest negative) was not ideal either.

[sol537]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280817/Spurs-Stocking-Assets-For-Future-Star-Trade-Over-Kevin-Durant-Pursuit

Durant pursuit may be down to Houston and Miami. Wolves a distant 3rd. As many reports stated KNICKS never made an offer and weren't interested. Any report that said otherwise was incorrect. Knicks did not want 2025 Durant for numerous reasons.

He prob ends up in Miami... Wiggins, Vazquez, Jovic, Robinson, and at least one 1st rounder (and maybe a 1st swap).... Pretty crap package but PHX wasn't getting a big return for KD at this stage. Miami would actually be quite good in an open East... Ware/Bam/KD/Herro/Mitchell is actually damn good. Spo can take that squad to the finals if healthy.

[KnixinSix]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280817/Spurs-Stocking-Assets-For-Future-Star-Trade-Over-Kevin-Durant-Pursuit

Durant pursuit may be down to Houston and Miami. Wolves a distant 3rd. As many reports stated KNICKS never made an offer and weren't interested. Any report that said otherwise was incorrect. Knicks did not want 2025 Durant for numerous reasons.

He prob ends up in Miami... Wiggins, Vazquez, Jovic, Robinson, and at least one 1st rounder (and maybe a 1st swap).... Pretty crap package but PHX wasn't getting a big return for KD at this stage. Miami would actually be quite good in an open East... Ware/Bam/KD/Herro/Mitchell is actually damn good. Spo can take that squad to the finals if healthy.

And lose to us!!!