Post Mortem 2024-25

[JujitsuFlip]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/teams-not-interested-in-isaac-okoro-unless-cavs-attach-assets-to-his-contract/

0% chance I'm attaching an asset to dump Okoro. People pretend he's an albatross contract. He has 2 years left at less than the MLE. Poor Niang takes all over again.

The one thing i will believe is no other team is interested in him. He was just a RFA last summer and received zero offers.

[jbk1234]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/teams-not-interested-in-isaac-okoro-unless-cavs-attach-assets-to-his-contract/

0% chance I'm attaching an asset to dump Okoro. People pretend he's an albatross contract. He has 2 years left at less than the MLE. Poor Niang takes all over again.

The one thing i will believe is no other team is interested in him. He was just a RFA last summer and received zero offers.

Agreed. I'm disappointed that we'd even look to move him and Wade to keep Ty and Merrill.

[JonFromVA]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/teams-not-interested-in-isaac-okoro-unless-cavs-attach-assets-to-his-contract/

0% chance I'm attaching an asset to dump Okoro. People pretend he's an albatross contract. He has 2 years left at less than the MLE. Poor Niang takes all over again.

The one thing i will believe is no other team is interested in him. He was just a RFA last summer and received zero offers.

Agreed. I'm disappointed that we'd even look to move him and Wade to keep Ty and Merrill.

On one hand while it wouldn't surprise me if teams are asking for sweeteners to absorb salary (I mean why not if you think the Cavs are under a barrell), but I think this talk stems from the false narrative that the Cavs can't sign Jerome without getting under the second apron that's been spreading lately.

Okoro is a useful piece to a team with limited ways to add new pieces ... you know unless you feel the Javonte Green's of the world can replace him well enough.

[jbk1234]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/teams-not-interested-in-isaac-okoro-unless-cavs-attach-assets-to-his-contract/

0% chance I'm attaching an asset to dump Okoro. People pretend he's an albatross contract. He has 2 years left at less than the MLE. Poor Niang takes all over again.

The one thing i will believe is no other team is interested in him. He was just a RFA last summer and received zero offers.

Agreed. I'm disappointed that we'd even look to move him and Wade to keep Ty and Merrill.

On one hand while it wouldn't surprise me if teams are asking for sweeteners to absorb salary (I mean why not if you think the Cavs are under a barrell), but I think this talk stems from the false narrative that the Cavs can't sign Jerome without getting under the second apron that's been spreading lately.

Okoro is a useful piece to a team with limited ways to add new pieces ... you know unless you feel the Javonte Green's of the world can replace him well enough.

My issue is that I'm watching OKC and the Pacers right now, and I'm just not seeing anyway we can run out Garland, Mitchell, Merrill and Ty as our guard rotation. If we trade Okoro and Wade, we're limited to Strus and Hunter as our best defensive wings/guards? That seems ill-advised.

[FromTheLand]

I'd try to dump Okoro for the sake of resigning Jerome and lessening the cap hit to preserve future moves. Tyson can play his role just fine. Sam can walk because you can find his type of production anywhere. Even though he did step up his D this year.

Okoro and both our seconds to a rebuilding team should work. What low salary team wouldn't want 2 picks and a 22 yr old ( I think) on a reasonable contract for nothing.

[FromTheLand]

If you want another late second buy one.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'd try to dump Okoro for the sake of resigning Jerome and lessening the cap hit to preserve future moves. Tyson can play his role just fine. Sam can walk because you can find his type of production anywhere. Even though he did step up his D this year.

Okoro and both our seconds to a rebuilding team should work. What low salary team wouldn't want 2 picks and a 22 yr old ( I think) on a reasonable contract for nothing.

As a 2nd apron team, I'm not trading either of my 2025 second rounders to dump Okoro.

[FromTheLand]

It's not your team though. Last thing an owner wants to do is live in the second apron. We have needs. Jerome is more important than Okoro. As I said, buy another second. It doesn't affect the cap anyway. What is the obsession with keeping crappy picks. Just shed the dead weight salary for future moves. Adding to the overall salary is not smart at all.

[ijspeelman]

It's not your team though. Last thing an owner wants to do is live in the second apron. We have needs. Jerome is more important than Okoro. As I said, buy another second. It doesn't affect the cap anyway. What is the obsession with keeping crappy picks. Just shed the dead weight salary for future moves. Adding to the overall salary is not smart at all.

The crappy picks are lottery tickets that can keep this core alive longer. If we hit rotation level players, they won't be paid very much and we won't be forced into as many uncomfortable decisions in the short term.

[JujitsuFlip]

It's not your team though. Last thing an owner wants to do is live in the second apron. We have needs. Jerome is more important than Okoro. As I said, buy another second. It doesn't affect the cap anyway. What is the obsession with keeping crappy picks. Just shed the dead weight salary for future moves. Adding to the overall salary is not smart at all.

Live in the 2nd apron? The Cavs have been in the 2nd apron for how many seasons thus far? Zero.

You don't have to trade Okoro to retain Jerome. You have his early bird rights.

The Cavs trade Okoro's $11 million and sign Jerome for $14.1 million, they're still negative $3 million.

The point in keeping 'crappy picks' is to add 2 young dudes to the 15 man roster who make less than $1 million each. If you're worried about Dan Gilbert who is worth $25 billion adding to the overall salary then the best way to avoid doing that is finding 2 gems in a deep draft.

[jbk1234]

It's not your team though. Last thing an owner wants to do is live in the second apron. We have needs. Jerome is more important than Okoro. As I said, buy another second. It doesn't affect the cap anyway. What is the obsession with keeping crappy picks. Just shed the dead weight salary for future moves. Adding to the overall salary is not smart at all.

We won't be living in the 2nd apron. First off, this upcoming season will be the first season we've been in the tax since LBJ left. Second, if this team underperforms in the playoffs again, it's getting broken up. Mitchell will be eligible for an extension and will only have one more season under contract. Garland will be extension eligible. Wade will drop off the books and all of Okoro, Hunter, and Strus will be on expiring deals. There will be a bunch of bad teams with gobs of cap space who can absorb their deals.

This is about the tax bill for a single season. Unless my understanding is completely wrong, being over the 2nd apron doesn't invalidate Bird or Early Bird Rights. We can bring back both Merrill and Ty regardless of whether Okoro and Wade are still here.

[toooskies]

It's not your team though. Last thing an owner wants to do is live in the second apron. We have needs. Jerome is more important than Okoro. As I said, buy another second. It doesn't affect the cap anyway. What is the obsession with keeping crappy picks. Just shed the dead weight salary for future moves. Adding to the overall salary is not smart at all.

We won't be living in the 2nd apron. First off, this upcoming season will be the first season we've been in the tax since LBJ left. Second, if this team underperforms in the playoffs again, it's getting broken up. Mitchell will be eligible for an extension and will only have one more season under contract. Garland will be extension eligible. Wade will drop off the books and all of Okoro, Hunter, and Strus will be on expiring deals. There will be a bunch of bad teams with gobs of cap space who can absorb their deals.

This is about the tax bill for a single season. Unless my understanding is completely wrong, being over the 2nd apron doesn't invalidate Bird or Early Bird Rights. We can bring back both Merrill and Ty regardless of whether Okoro and Wade are still here.

It's a totally valid possibility that Dan Gilbert may not want to pay $50-100m more than he has to. Particularly when Okoro's blocking Jaylon Tyson and CPJ for minutes. If you decide you want to get off Okoro for financial reasons, and given that 2nds usually just cost a few million dollars in cash to buy off another team? It's a no-brainer financial transaction to spend #49 and #59 to offload him if you wanted to. Maybe you can buy your 2nd-rounders during the actual draft to then trade away with Okoro.

It's also a totally valid possibility that Gilbert survived a debilitating stroke and now he cares about as much about the actual dollars he spends on his team as we do. Pay everybody!

Without Gilbert making that call explicitly, we'll just have to guess.

[jbk1234]

It's not your team though. Last thing an owner wants to do is live in the second apron. We have needs. Jerome is more important than Okoro. As I said, buy another second. It doesn't affect the cap anyway. What is the obsession with keeping crappy picks. Just shed the dead weight salary for future moves. Adding to the overall salary is not smart at all.

We won't be living in the 2nd apron. First off, this upcoming season will be the first season we've been in the tax since LBJ left. Second, if this team underperforms in the playoffs again, it's getting broken up. Mitchell will be eligible for an extension and will only have one more season under contract. Garland will be extension eligible. Wade will drop off the books and all of Okoro, Hunter, and Strus will be on expiring deals. There will be a bunch of bad teams with gobs of cap space who can absorb their deals.

This is about the tax bill for a single season. Unless my understanding is completely wrong, being over the 2nd apron doesn't invalidate Bird or Early Bird Rights. We can bring back both Merrill and Ty regardless of whether Okoro and Wade are still here.

It's a totally valid possibility that Dan Gilbert may not want to pay $50-100m more than he has to. Particularly when Okoro's blocking Jaylon Tyson and CPJ for minutes. If you decide you want to get off Okoro for financial reasons, and given that 2nds usually just cost a few million dollars in cash to buy off another team? It's a no-brainer financial transaction to spend #49 and #59 to offload him if you wanted to. Maybe you can buy your 2nd-rounders during the actual draft to then trade away with Okoro.

It's also a totally valid possibility that Gilbert survived a debilitating stroke and now he cares about as much about the actual dollars he spends on his team as we do. Pay everybody!

Without Gilbert making that call explicitly, we'll just have to guess.

If Gilbert doesn't want to spend the money for even one season, then I'd cut Merrill and maybe even Ty loose. I'm fine taking a minor loss on Okoro's value if he has to go.

It's just that tickets to the games are no longer inexpensive, I pay a monthly streaming fee just to to get local TV access, and I'm not really thrilled about having a weaker team to save on a billionaire's tax bill.

[toooskies]

We won't be living in the 2nd apron. First off, this upcoming season will be the first season we've been in the tax since LBJ left. Second, if this team underperforms in the playoffs again, it's getting broken up. Mitchell will be eligible for an extension and will only have one more season under contract. Garland will be extension eligible. Wade will drop off the books and all of Okoro, Hunter, and Strus will be on expiring deals. There will be a bunch of bad teams with gobs of cap space who can absorb their deals.

This is about the tax bill for a single season. Unless my understanding is completely wrong, being over the 2nd apron doesn't invalidate Bird or Early Bird Rights. We can bring back both Merrill and Ty regardless of whether Okoro and Wade are still here.

It's a totally valid possibility that Dan Gilbert may not want to pay $50-100m more than he has to. Particularly when Okoro's blocking Jaylon Tyson and CPJ for minutes. If you decide you want to get off Okoro for financial reasons, and given that 2nds usually just cost a few million dollars in cash to buy off another team? It's a no-brainer financial transaction to spend #49 and #59 to offload him if you wanted to. Maybe you can buy your 2nd-rounders during the actual draft to then trade away with Okoro.

It's also a totally valid possibility that Gilbert survived a debilitating stroke and now he cares about as much about the actual dollars he spends on his team as we do. Pay everybody!

Without Gilbert making that call explicitly, we'll just have to guess.

If Gilbert doesn't want to spend the money for even one season, then I'd cut Merrill and maybe even Ty loose. I'm fine taking a minor loss on Okoro's value if he has to go.

It's just that tickets to the games are no longer inexpensive, I pay a monthly streaming fee just to to get local TV access, and I'm not really thrilled about having a weaker team to save on a billionaire's tax bill.

The question is whether the owner thinks this is THE season or if it’s better to wait on Mobley to reach a higher level.

[JujitsuFlip]

It's a totally valid possibility that Dan Gilbert may not want to pay $50-100m more than he has to. Particularly when Okoro's blocking Jaylon Tyson and CPJ for minutes. If you decide you want to get off Okoro for financial reasons, and given that 2nds usually just cost a few million dollars in cash to buy off another team? It's a no-brainer financial transaction to spend #49 and #59 to offload him if you wanted to. Maybe you can buy your 2nd-rounders during the actual draft to then trade away with Okoro.

It's also a totally valid possibility that Gilbert survived a debilitating stroke and now he cares about as much about the actual dollars he spends on his team as we do. Pay everybody!

Without Gilbert making that call explicitly, we'll just have to guess.

If Gilbert doesn't want to spend the money for even one season, then I'd cut Merrill and maybe even Ty loose. I'm fine taking a minor loss on Okoro's value if he has to go.

It's just that tickets to the games are no longer inexpensive, I pay a monthly streaming fee just to to get local TV access, and I'm not really thrilled about having a weaker team to save on a billionaire's tax bill.

The question is whether the owner thinks this is THE season or if it’s better to wait on Mobley to reach a higher level.

I don't think it tracks with the logic of the previous 12 months.

They extended Mitchell, Allen, and Mobley. Traded for Hunter. Fired jb.

Everything points to Gilbert being fine with paying.

[toooskies]

If Gilbert doesn't want to spend the money for even one season, then I'd cut Merrill and maybe even Ty loose. I'm fine taking a minor loss on Okoro's value if he has to go.

It's just that tickets to the games are no longer inexpensive, I pay a monthly streaming fee just to to get local TV access, and I'm not really thrilled about having a weaker team to save on a billionaire's tax bill.

The question is whether the owner thinks this is THE season or if it’s better to wait on Mobley to reach a higher level.

I don't think it tracks with the logic of the previous 12 months.

They extended Mitchell, Allen, and Mobley. Traded for Hunter. Fired jb.

Everything points to Gilbert being fine with paying.

Each of those were guaranteed rotation pieces he was paying for, core or extended core pieces.

Okoro is not that.

[JujitsuFlip]

Back filling one of the vacant coaching spots. Looks like he was on the Kings staff last season.

[JujitsuFlip]

The question is whether the owner thinks this is THE season or if it’s better to wait on Mobley to reach a higher level.

I don't think it tracks with the logic of the previous 12 months.

They extended Mitchell, Allen, and Mobley. Traded for Hunter. Fired jb.

Everything points to Gilbert being fine with paying.

Each of those were guaranteed rotation pieces he was paying for, core or extended core pieces.

Okoro is not that.

I'd prefer to just get someone different in his salary slot, than just trying to dump him. The rumor is it could cost a 1st, so no thanks on that front. I doubt 49 and 58 get it done.

To the people saying buy a 2nd, well, that is still a trade, so gonna have to dump another asset.

When we bought the Brobley pick, we had to include the drafts rights to a 26 year old overseas player... Who ended up coming over.

[toooskies]

I don't think it tracks with the logic of the previous 12 months.

They extended Mitchell, Allen, and Mobley. Traded for Hunter. Fired jb.

Everything points to Gilbert being fine with paying.

Each of those were guaranteed rotation pieces he was paying for, core or extended core pieces.

Okoro is not that.

I'd prefer to just get someone different in his salary slot, than just trying to dump him. The rumor is it could cost a 1st, so no thanks on that front. I doubt 49 and 58 get it done.

To the people saying buy a 2nd, well, that is still a trade, so gonna have to dump another asset.

When we bought the Brobley pick, we had to include the drafts rights to a 26 year old overseas player... Who ended up coming over.

... played for a year, was barely a rotation player on a mid team, didn't like the NBA, took a buyout, and went back to the EuroLeague. (Note that this was the reigning EuroLeague MVP at the time-- hard to imagine a more-ready player for the NBA.)

We can absolutely send the rights to Diop anywhere with no value lost.

[JujitsuFlip]

Each of those were guaranteed rotation pieces he was paying for, core or extended core pieces.

Okoro is not that.

I'd prefer to just get someone different in his salary slot, than just trying to dump him. The rumor is it could cost a 1st, so no thanks on that front. I doubt 49 and 58 get it done.

To the people saying buy a 2nd, well, that is still a trade, so gonna have to dump another asset.

When we bought the Brobley pick, we had to include the drafts rights to a 26 year old overseas player... Who ended up coming over.

... played for a year, was barely a rotation player on a mid team, didn't like the NBA, took a buyout, and went back to the EuroLeague. (Note that this was the reigning EuroLeague MVP at the time-- hard to imagine a more-ready player for the NBA.)

We can absolutely send the rights to Diop anywhere with no value lost.

We've already burned how many years on Diop? Wouldn't just willingly give away his rights, I'd just keep my pick 49 and 58.

And at least Sasha Vezenkov made a 15 man roster lol something Brobley probably never accomplishes.

I assume he asked for the buyout because he was traded.