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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#961 » by m2002brian » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:10 pm

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m2002brian wrote:The Bane trade makes Walter Clayton Jr the most obvious choice. High end shooting is extremely valuable in today’s NBA. His ability to do so from a degree of difficulty factor makes his shot even more impressive than some others with higher percentages.

Great shooter, decent defender, and ready to contribute day 1.

If we move off Naw and DDV for whatever reasons, he’s the guy who, along with tsj and Clark, resets our youth without giving up shooting or defense.


Who plays PG?


That may be exactly why DDV isn’t here. PG is a much bigger need and Banes value as a shooter only increased DDV’s (and he also has a great contract)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#962 » by Slim Tubby » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:28 pm

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Rookie-Mistake wrote:I just don't like this draft.. I don't see many becoming anything else than bench players in the future and I don't like spending first rounders for bench..
Trade out for next year, keep pick 31 for bench.

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This is not an overly popular take on here...and I agree with you completely. I personally find this Draft extremely devoid of top end talent, especially from the collegiate ranks.

This team needs guys that contribute now and I'm going with proven, productive prospects over "promise" if we keep the picks.

17. CG Walter Clayton Jr
31. C/PF Johni Broome

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I actually disagree with this take. We’ll see what happens with our free agents/trades, but it’s going to be very difficult for anyone drafted at 17/31 to get regular minutes. I think we need to think longterm. Take upside swings that will be able to take over for Gobert, Randle, etc, when Ant is actually in his prime 2-3 years down the line. That’s why I’m perfectly okay with someone like Beringer.
Disagreements are always good when trying to expand ideas and generate dialogue. You could be right about swinging for the fences, and if you hit, the payoff is immense.

I just see those guys requiring far more development than guys like Clayton Jr/ Broome and thus far less likely to see meaningful minutes next season.

Broome can play both C/PF and is a bruiser around the rim. Clayton Jr would give us another potential long-term answer at PG and would replace DDV as a shooter if we move him.

I've seen Beringer being mocked as high as 12 and getting a ton of praise. I really like Sorber but foot injuries for big guys almost always tend to be a recurring problem and never seems to end well.

I get more conservative in my thinking when we already have a roster competing for a Title so that might better explain my desire for more established, polished players.

Then again...your opinion could prove to be the right choice, too. :)

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#964 » by younggunsmn » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:48 pm

Klomp wrote:I wonder if the Kevin Durant pursuit could make Connelly more aggressive about a trade up in the draft.

The current unknown of Durant makes me think they'll want to ensure adding another big impact potential player through moving up into the lottery, as opposed to waiting to see what falls. Not necessarily as a trade asset, but as a way to replenish what could be lost this summer either via trade or free agency.


If anything I think we move down.

Given that there really isnt much distinction between players from about 10-25, I think we may actually take a prospect we really like a lot earlier than expected at a position we are targeting (at 17 or in a trade down) and then just go BPA with whoever falls to 31.

Kalkbrenner in particular has a lot of teams that like him in the late 20's.

Would be similar to trading down for Kessler from 17 for 22 and 29.

Unless we fall in love with a guard like maybe Demin or Traore, I think a trade down or a reach is a more likely scenario.
These prospects are the top 8-9 are just too raw or flawed to waste draft capital trading up for.

Trade down with Utah for 21 +43+53.

Draft Kalkbrenner or Reynaud.

We have 31+43+53

Either use those picks to trade back up from 31 a few spots into the end of that 10-25 player tier for a Clayton/Riley/Wolf/Fleming or trade 43 and 53 for future mid to late 2nds.


Or just trade with the Nets 17+31 for 19+27.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#965 » by jpatrick » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:51 pm

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I have questions whether he has the athleticism. But, not going to lie, would be really fun at 31. That passing is, if you squint, a little Jokic-like.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#966 » by shrink » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:56 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#967 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:01 pm

m2002brian wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
m2002brian wrote:The Bane trade makes Walter Clayton Jr the most obvious choice. High end shooting is extremely valuable in today’s NBA. His ability to do so from a degree of difficulty factor makes his shot even more impressive than some others with higher percentages.

Great shooter, decent defender, and ready to contribute day 1.

If we move off Naw and DDV for whatever reasons, he’s the guy who, along with tsj and Clark, resets our youth without giving up shooting or defense.


Who plays PG?


That may be exactly why DDV isn’t here. PG is a much bigger need and Banes value as a shooter only increased DDV’s (and he also has a great contract)


I'm saying Clark, Clayton, Shannon Jr....who sits? Dillingham is likely backup pg, none of them have size/length to be legit backup pf, unless we go small ball.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#968 » by m2002brian » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:08 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
m2002brian wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Who plays PG?


That may be exactly why DDV isn’t here. PG is a much bigger need and Banes value as a shooter only increased DDV’s (and he also has a great contract)


I'm saying Clark, Clayton, Shannon Jr....who sits? Dillingham is likely backup pg, none of them have size/length to be legit backup pf, unless we go small ball.


Clark probably sees the least playing time when all is said and done. Too limited offensively.

Vet pg (Mike) / Dilly / WCJ
Ant / WCJ / TSJ
JMcD/ TSJ / Clark
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#969 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:20 pm

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m2002brian wrote:
That may be exactly why DDV isn’t here. PG is a much bigger need and Banes value as a shooter only increased DDV’s (and he also has a great contract)


I'm saying Clark, Clayton, Shannon Jr....who sits? Dillingham is likely backup pg, none of them have size/length to be legit backup pf, unless we go small ball.


Clark probably sees the least playing time when all is said and done. Too limited offensively.

Vet pg (Mike) / Dilly / WCJ
Ant / WCJ / TSJ
JMcD/ TSJ / Clark


The Clark who hit 43% on 3 after a year off due to injury and plays great defense? Also Clark is definitely a SG not a SF

I don't mind WCJ but to me it becomes him vs Dillingham for backup pg.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#970 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:25 pm

So we had a workout recently that included Sion James (Duke), Nique Clifford (Colorado State), Miles Kelly (Auburn), Noah Penda (France), Hansen Yang (China) and Cliff Omoruyi (Alabama).

Sam Vecenie's draft guide is available for free here if you want to check out summaries for the above and anyone else we bring in.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#971 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:26 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
m2002brian wrote:
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I'm saying Clark, Clayton, Shannon Jr....who sits? Dillingham is likely backup pg, none of them have size/length to be legit backup pf, unless we go small ball.


Clark probably sees the least playing time when all is said and done. Too limited offensively.

Vet pg (Mike) / Dilly / WCJ
Ant / WCJ / TSJ
JMcD/ TSJ / Clark


The Clark who hit 43% on 3 after a year off due to injury and plays great defense? Also Clark is definitely a SG not a SF

I don't mind WCJ but to me it becomes him vs Dillingham for backup pg.

Yeah, Clayton Jr only makes sense if Dillingham goes out in a trade.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#972 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:05 pm

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I have no doubt he can come in and immediately play a role offensively. His screens and passing are NBA calibre.

The issues are on the other end where I'm honestly not sure if he can significantly improve on. If he could get to average though and continue improving offensively I could see him as a starter, similar to how guys like Edey can outweigh defensive issues with their other skills.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#973 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:12 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
Klomp wrote:I wonder if the Kevin Durant pursuit could make Connelly more aggressive about a trade up in the draft.

The current unknown of Durant makes me think they'll want to ensure adding another big impact potential player through moving up into the lottery, as opposed to waiting to see what falls. Not necessarily as a trade asset, but as a way to replenish what could be lost this summer either via trade or free agency.


If anything I think we move down.

Given that there really isnt much distinction between players from about 10-25, I think we may actually take a prospect we really like a lot earlier than expected at a position we are targeting (at 17 or in a trade down) and then just go BPA with whoever falls to 31.

Kalkbrenner in particular has a lot of teams that like him in the late 20's.

Would be similar to trading down for Kessler from 17 for 22 and 29.

Unless we fall in love with a guard like maybe Demin or Traore, I think a trade down or a reach is a more likely scenario.
These prospects are the top 8-9 are just too raw or flawed to waste draft capital trading up for.

Trade down with Utah for 21 +43+53.

Draft Kalkbrenner or Reynaud.

We have 31+43+53

Either use those picks to trade back up from 31 a few spots into the end of that 10-25 player tier for a Clayton/Riley/Wolf/Fleming or trade 43 and 53 for future mid to late 2nds.


Or just trade with the Nets 17+31 for 19+27.

We give up 2 earlier to gain 4 places later. It's very reasonable, but not knowing the actual names right now I'd rather stick and pick.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#974 » by Slim Tubby » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:18 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#975 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:58 pm

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Post#976 » by younggunsmn » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:54 am

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I have no doubt he can come in and immediately play a role offensively. His screens and passing are NBA calibre.

The issues are on the other end where I'm honestly not sure if he can significantly improve on. If he could get to average though and continue improving offensively I could see him as a starter, similar to how guys like Edey can outweigh defensive issues with their other skills.


He looks like he moves in slow motion.
I don't know that he could even beat out Luka Garza for minutes.

I wouldn't draft him before pick 40 at the earliest.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#977 » by Domejandro » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:37 am

I think Hansen Yang is an NBA player. Ideally, Minnesota could trade down slightly to get him later in the second round (maybe drop to the late 30's in exchange for a bit of cash?), but the passing touch is enough to make me comfortable gambling on him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#978 » by minimus » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:59 am

Is Maxime Raynaud is a new Myles Turner?

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#979 » by jpatrick » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:39 am

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Offensively, kind of. He can score. Defensively? No. I don’t think he’ll be able to defend the rim in the NBA. I see him more in a double big lineup with another rim protector, like his buddy Wemby.

Regarding Turner, as a true freshman primarily coming off the bench, playing only 22 minutes/game, blocked 2.6 shots/game.

Raynaud, despite being a starter since his sophomore year and having that size, never even blocked one shot/game until his senior year when he was playing almost 34 minutes a game. And even then, he only blocked 1.4 shots/game.

I see him more as a Naz Reid, as a ceiling, than Turner.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#980 » by moss_is_1 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:35 pm

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minimus wrote:Is Maxime Raynaud is a new Myles Turner?

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Offensively, kind of. He can score. Defensively? No. I don’t think he’ll be able to defend the rim in the NBA. I see him more in a double big lineup with another rim protector, like his buddy Wemby.

Regarding Turner, as a true freshman primarily coming off the bench, playing only 22 minutes/game, blocked 2.6 shots/game.

Raynaud, despite being a starter since his sophomore year and having that size, never even blocked one shot/game until his senior year when he was playing almost 34 minutes a game. And even then, he only blocked 1.4 shots/game.

I see him more as a Naz Reid, as a ceiling, than Turner.


His game is like current version of Brook Lopez. Drop coverage big only, can step out and hit a 3 but it's a slow release.

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