Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[HangTime]

I think the Suns are just using #9 as leverage, to see if they can get another lotto pick, but no one bites

Our offer will be like:

IQ + Jakob
protected 2026 first rounder

Or

RJ + Jakob
Gradey(or Ochai) + 2028 top 20 protected first

[DreamTeam09]

This literally happens every year, and every year you guys say how dumb msasi is for even offering these deals, & then we come to find out none of this were true, or even remotely close to being accurate.
Now they're listing trades that financially can't even happen

[Brinbe]

I think the Suns are just using #9 as leverage, to see if they can get another lotto pick, but no one bites

Our offer will be like:

IQ + Jakob
protected 2026 first rounder

Or

RJ + Jakob
Gradey(or Ochai) + 2028 top 20 protected first

lol those deals don't work money wise. they can't take more back than KD's salary.
it'd be 9 for 29.

We are the ones getting KD here.

[Dalek]

Its obvious the trade is not both IQ/Barrett (Prolly a mis quote by that twitter account)....It will be the choice of Suns which one they take....Just sounds like Masai is willing to trade either of them for Durant....Yak is for sure gone and 9th pick is for sure gone....

We prolly use RJ/Quick whatever one we have left over to get a C....If i were to guess...

Nope, but that's what I thought as well. Gambo said all three, so it would be a some filler added like Royce O'Neale and Grayson Allen who the Suns have floated in trade rumors.

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I am happy to move on from IQ and Barrett but losing Poeltl hurts and create a void. He is not a top C in the league, lucky to be top 20 so you move him for Durant. I just wouldn't add anything more than that.

Toronto would need to get a C better than Colin Castleton in a follow-up move.

It is a wild proposal and I do trust Gambo. Many other analysts have said the return for Durant is not going to be great and this is a kind of sucky return given how much they gave up for him.

[HangTime]

I think the Suns are just using #9 as leverage, to see if they can get another lotto pick, but no one bites

Our offer will be like:

IQ + Jakob
protected 2026 first rounder

Or

RJ + Jakob
Gradey(or Ochai) + 2028 top 20 protected first

lol those deals don't work money wise. they can't take more back than KD's salary.
it'd be 9 for 29.

We are the ones getting KD here.

Salary wise, all 3 work, according to the trade machine.

I can't see #9 being part of it, but later protected pick is fair.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps and minny being used.

[Clutch0z24]

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That is obv the best offer on the table atm....Gobert/Div/Dill/17th is a great haul ....But i think the hang up atm is maybe KD Is really against going to Timberwolves and would prefer Toronto over Minni.....That would be the only way they choose our package over theirs....

Package wise....Quick/Yak/9th is prolly the 2nd best offer....Now if we are adding RJ as well in the deal and getting back Allen/O'Neal/29th pick....We would need to try and flip them add ons for other players....So Masai would have his work cut out for him if he really does wanna go all in on KD.

[Potential]

What are the odds we're going to have a 2007 Celtics offseason?

Yes -300
No +450

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Its obvious the trade is not both IQ/Barrett (Prolly a mis quote by that twitter account)....It will be the choice of Suns which one they take....Just sounds like Masai is willing to trade either of them for Durant....Yak is for sure gone and 9th pick is for sure gone....

We prolly use RJ/Quick whatever one we have left over to get a C....If i were to guess...

Nope, but that's what I thought as well. Gambo said all three, so it would be a some filler added like Royce O'Neale and Grayson Allen who the Suns have floated in trade rumors.

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I am happy to move on from IQ and Barrett but losing Poeltl hurts and create a void. He is not a top C in the league, lucky to be top 20 so you move him for Durant. I just wouldn't add anything more than that.

Toronto would need to get a C better than Colin Castleton in a follow-up move.

It is a wild proposal and I do trust Gambo. Many other analysts have said the return for Durant is not going to be great and this is a kind of sucky return given how much they gave up for him.

Yak is top 10, and has nothing to prove to you.

[Zeno]

As I said before, I believe the offer from our perspective is IQ, RJ, Yak, 9 for Durant, Monk and Val. Kings get IQ and RJ. Suns get Demar, Yak, 9 and perhaps some additional draft compensation from the kings.

[Brinbe]

This literally happens every year, and every year you guys say how dumb msasi is for even offering these deals, & then we come to find out none of this were true, or even remotely close to being accurate.
Now they're listing trades that financially can't even happen

nah,

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there's also the OG trade rumors that broke ahead of time and Scottie being the pick reported by Fischer.

Plenty about their plans legit leak out, but you gotta figure out which sources are reliable like Marc Stein.

And this is from June earlier this month

“But Toronto has likewise been painted by numerous NBA figures as a potential trade suitor for Durant … particularly if Antetokounmpo doesn’t reach the open market. The Raptors, furthermore, would figure to have a more realistic shot at assembling a competitive trade offer for Durant compared to the mammoth offers that the Bucks would inevitably seek for Antetokounmpo’s services. The Greek Freak also happens to be six years younger than Durant, is still playing at an MVP level and, most crucially, has two more guaranteed years left on his contract.”

[Brinbe]

Raps and minny being used.

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

[MiamiSPX]

That offer keeps coming up (Poeltl, RJ or IQ, and #9) and there are only 2 sscenarios:

1) It's just not true and could be any number of people making it up for various reasons. Our FO will never refute anything to anyone.
2) It's true but KD is not thrilled about Toronto and the Suns are giving his desired teams every chance to up their offers.

Because that is a pretty good deal for the Suns, and if it were legit AND he was okay with the Raps, it would be done by now.

Not sure I like it. I couldn't care less about RJ or IQ (and don't even really care which one they choose), I'm lukewarm on #9 but giving up Poeltl would run counter to trying to compete next season. "We can just go grab some cheap Centers" feels like something I've heard for, oh I don't know, 5 years now.

Out of the teams that amde the top 4 or 8 of the playoffs, which one runs a poeltl style centre?

I couldn't care less about Poeltl either, but he's the only legit C on the roster. Don't get me wrong, I make this trade. There would just be some nervous reservations about how they immediately address the C position.

[Clutch0z24]

Yak would be replacable if we could hang onto either IQ/Barrett in the deal....We could flip one for a Yak Replacement and maybe sign a vet C in Free agency.....I think the KD trade happens soon though and i believe its either us or Minni....I think the Spurs/Rockets are holding their assets for a younger better Star that could become available....I don't think the Heat have enough assets to get him at all and thats why we are where we are....

KDs prefered destinations don't want him enough to put up a legit offer that beats ours or Minnis but Suns wanna do right by KD to send him where he wants to be but the teams he wants to be in are not playing ball....

[Clutch0z24]

Raps and minny being used.

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Exactly i feel we are actually interested as are T-Wolves ....We are putting out legit offers for KD....But the teams KD wants to go too can't/Don't want too compete with our offers so Suns are in a pickle...They either send KD to a place he wants for less assets or send him some where he wouldn't want to be and actually get a package they like in return....

Also maybe they are asking KD if he would wanna be in Minni or Toronto and maybe it will come down to which team he chooses between us two where he ends up...

[djsunyc]

fun times! all these rumors are great for the forum!

so ultimately after all the permutations, multiple teams, etc...it would be iq + rj + yak + #9 for kd and a center tbd.

and in the absolute worst case scenario, clean cap and all our future picks in the summer of '26. only big deals on the books would be barnes and ingram.

[Brinbe]

I think the Suns are just using #9 as leverage, to see if they can get another lotto pick, but no one bites

Our offer will be like:

IQ + Jakob
protected 2026 first rounder

Or

RJ + Jakob
Gradey(or Ochai) + 2028 top 20 protected first

lol those deals don't work money wise. they can't take more back than KD's salary.
it'd be 9 for 29.

We are the ones getting KD here.

Salary wise, all 3 work, according to the trade machine.

I can't see #9 being part of it, but later protected pick is fair.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps and minny being used.

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

[The Duke]

I’m in we’re keeping #9 + Ingram + Barnes.
Else I’m just not interested

[Brinbe]

Raps and minny being used.

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Exactly i feel we are actually interested as are T-Wolves ....We are putting out legit offers for KD....But the teams KD wants to go too can't compete with our offers so Suns are in a pickle...They either send KD to a place for less assets or send him some where he wouldn't want to be and actually get a package they like in return....

Also maybe they are asking KD if he would wanna be in Minni or Toronto and maybe it will come down to which team he chooses between us two where he ends up...

It's the same situation Dame was in with Portland/Miami where the best thing Miami had to offer was Herro which Portland had no need of as they have young guards already.

The Spurs can offer Vassell/Johnson which does the Suns no good unless they flip them.
The Heat can give up Wiggins or Rozier/Robinson and don't even want to give up Ware. It's not a super offer.
The Rockets offer Green/Landale and don't even want to give up Sheppard/Jabari Smith. What do the Suns need Jalen Green for? It's a non-starter.

So yeah, in comparison the Wolves offer beats all that easily. And we'd be in 2nd place with IQ/Yak/9.