Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 (update: poll added 6/18/25)

[stuporman]

Mook, who was a middling role player and not much of a X&O guy doesn't think X&O matters? Go figure...

[KnixinSix]

https://knicksfilmschool.substack.com/p/who-is-taylor-jenkins

[nykballa2k4]

We blew the lead because he got scared and put Brunson back in the game with 6 minutes to go and 5 fouls, so they targeted him on play after play after play. A prelude to the rest of the series to close the 4th in game 1
That’s not on the players on the court
That’s on the coach

Brunson is supposed to be our guy. That's what you do. Trust your guy. Other mistakes were made, but putting in your guy, clutch player of the year, in clutch time, isn't the problem.

He is our guy but why play with something that was working? 5 fouls what do you think Indi was going to do the rest of the game? Doesn't take rocket science, Thibs got fired because of thibs not missed free throws at the end of game 1.

Listen, I think Thibs made some mistakes for sure. They were costly.
For those posters here of a certain age, Clippers used to have 2 players: Corey Maggette and STeve Blake. nicknamed "Bad porn" and "Soft porn"
Soft because Blake would score, but not penetrate. Bad because he would penetrate, but it wouldn't look good.

Our whole season, to some degree, was bad porn. A lot of games didn't look good, but we got the W.

I agree that Caslisle out coached us, but Thibs out-coached several guys to get us here. This includes Spo in the RS, this includes Mazula in the ECSF.

Everyones darling Ime got outcoached in the 1st round.
It happens.

Rather be one year early than one year late. I get that. However, as that series ended, I felt like we had the wind behind us and a ring was within our reach. Now we are without a rudder. We have no idea if JB is really who he's been, or if he was a product of Thibsanity. KAT will be great no matter what, Robinson will do his thing no matter what. Hard to say what happens to some of the other guys.

[thebuzzardman]

Brunson is supposed to be our guy. That's what you do. Trust your guy. Other mistakes were made, but putting in your guy, clutch player of the year, in clutch time, isn't the problem.

He is our guy but why play with something that was working? 5 fouls what do you think Indi was going to do the rest of the game? Doesn't take rocket science, Thibs got fired because of thibs not missed free throws at the end of game 1.

Listen, I think Thibs made some mistakes for sure. They were costly.
For those posters here of a certain age, Clippers used to have 2 players: Corey Maggette and STeve Blake. nicknamed "Bad porn" and "Soft porn"
Soft because Blake would score, but not penetrate. Bad because he would penetrate, but it wouldn't look good.

Our whole season, to some degree, was bad porn. A lot of games didn't look good, but we got the W.

I agree that Caslisle out coached us, but Thibs out-coached several guys to get us here. This includes Spo in the RS, this includes Mazula in the ECSF.

Everyones darling Ime got outcoached in the 1st round.
It happens.

Rather be one year early than one year late. I get that. However, as that series ended, I felt like we had the wind behind us and a ring was within our reach. Now we are without a rudder. We have no idea if JB is really who he's been, or if he was a product of Thibsanity. KAT will be great no matter what, Robinson will do his thing no matter what. Hard to say what happens to some of the other guys.

Come on. Brunson was emerging in Dallas before the Knicks. The only "Thibsanity" part of it is amount of touches that maybe boosted his scoring average 4 ppg. He's still the guy who can score as good as any guard in the league etc, still capable of playing off the ball IF A COACH WOULD DO IT; IF THE KNICKS ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER GUARD.

Trouble is, Mikal is basically a SF with some guard skills. OG is among the least offensively skilled wings around who is any good, if you get what I mean. He can't really take people off the dribble, but at least he can shoot and cut.

Maybe they could have added Thibs and then dealt Mikal for a real SG. Or Hart.

Having Hart and Mikal in the same lineup is a disaster, made worse by OG. I guess it could work if Jokic was the center.

Trade Hart or Mikal for a real guard.

Maybe a new coach gets more from the bench. Which also needs some upgrade work.

[nykballa2k4]

He is our guy but why play with something that was working? 5 fouls what do you think Indi was going to do the rest of the game? Doesn't take rocket science, Thibs got fired because of thibs not missed free throws at the end of game 1.

Listen, I think Thibs made some mistakes for sure. They were costly.
For those posters here of a certain age, Clippers used to have 2 players: Corey Maggette and STeve Blake. nicknamed "Bad porn" and "Soft porn"
Soft because Blake would score, but not penetrate. Bad because he would penetrate, but it wouldn't look good.

Our whole season, to some degree, was bad porn. A lot of games didn't look good, but we got the W.

I agree that Caslisle out coached us, but Thibs out-coached several guys to get us here. This includes Spo in the RS, this includes Mazula in the ECSF.

Everyones darling Ime got outcoached in the 1st round.
It happens.

Rather be one year early than one year late. I get that. However, as that series ended, I felt like we had the wind behind us and a ring was within our reach. Now we are without a rudder. We have no idea if JB is really who he's been, or if he was a product of Thibsanity. KAT will be great no matter what, Robinson will do his thing no matter what. Hard to say what happens to some of the other guys.

Come on. Brunson was emerging in Dallas before the Knicks. The only "Thibsanity" part of it is amount of touches that maybe boosted his scoring average 4 ppg. He's still the guy who can score as good as any guard in the league etc, still capable of playing off the ball IF A COACH WOULD DO IT; IF THE KNICKS ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER GUARD.

Trouble is, Mikal is basically a SF with some guard skills. OG is among the least offensively skilled wings around who is any good, if you get what I mean. He can't really take people off the dribble, but at least he can shoot and cut.

Maybe they could have added Thibs and then dealt Mikal for a real SG. Or Hart.

Having Hart and Mikal in the same lineup is a disaster, made worse by OG. I guess it could work if Jokic was the center.

Trade Hart or Mikal for a real guard.

Maybe a new coach gets more from the bench. Which also needs some upgrade work.

What is the talent gap between Brunson, Ball, Hali, Fox etc.
JB has been an all-NBA player with Thibs. IDK if he does that for another coach.

[KnixinSix]

Listen, I think Thibs made some mistakes for sure. They were costly.
For those posters here of a certain age, Clippers used to have 2 players: Corey Maggette and STeve Blake. nicknamed "Bad porn" and "Soft porn"
Soft because Blake would score, but not penetrate. Bad because he would penetrate, but it wouldn't look good.

Our whole season, to some degree, was bad porn. A lot of games didn't look good, but we got the W.

I agree that Caslisle out coached us, but Thibs out-coached several guys to get us here. This includes Spo in the RS, this includes Mazula in the ECSF.

Everyones darling Ime got outcoached in the 1st round.
It happens.

Rather be one year early than one year late. I get that. However, as that series ended, I felt like we had the wind behind us and a ring was within our reach. Now we are without a rudder. We have no idea if JB is really who he's been, or if he was a product of Thibsanity. KAT will be great no matter what, Robinson will do his thing no matter what. Hard to say what happens to some of the other guys.

Come on. Brunson was emerging in Dallas before the Knicks. The only "Thibsanity" part of it is amount of touches that maybe boosted his scoring average 4 ppg. He's still the guy who can score as good as any guard in the league etc, still capable of playing off the ball IF A COACH WOULD DO IT; IF THE KNICKS ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER GUARD.

Trouble is, Mikal is basically a SF with some guard skills. OG is among the least offensively skilled wings around who is any good, if you get what I mean. He can't really take people off the dribble, but at least he can shoot and cut.

Maybe they could have added Thibs and then dealt Mikal for a real SG. Or Hart.

Having Hart and Mikal in the same lineup is a disaster, made worse by OG. I guess it could work if Jokic was the center.

Trade Hart or Mikal for a real guard.

Maybe a new coach gets more from the bench. Which also needs some upgrade work.

What is the talent gap between Brunson, Ball, Hali, Fox etc.
JB has been an all-NBA player with Thibs. IDK if he does that for another coach.

JBs talent isn't strictly scheme dependant. If a coach lets him do his thing he will dominate. He is a top 5-8 offensive player in the entire NBA and maybe the #1 clutch one.

[nykballa2k4]

Come on. Brunson was emerging in Dallas before the Knicks. The only "Thibsanity" part of it is amount of touches that maybe boosted his scoring average 4 ppg. He's still the guy who can score as good as any guard in the league etc, still capable of playing off the ball IF A COACH WOULD DO IT; IF THE KNICKS ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER GUARD.

Trouble is, Mikal is basically a SF with some guard skills. OG is among the least offensively skilled wings around who is any good, if you get what I mean. He can't really take people off the dribble, but at least he can shoot and cut.

Maybe they could have added Thibs and then dealt Mikal for a real SG. Or Hart.

Having Hart and Mikal in the same lineup is a disaster, made worse by OG. I guess it could work if Jokic was the center.

Trade Hart or Mikal for a real guard.

Maybe a new coach gets more from the bench. Which also needs some upgrade work.

What is the talent gap between Brunson, Ball, Hali, Fox etc.
JB has been an all-NBA player with Thibs. IDK if he does that for another coach.

JBs talent isn't strictly scheme dependant. If a coach lets him do his thing he will dominate. He is a top 5-8 offensive player in the entire NBA and maybe the #1 clutch one.

I need to see it before I trust it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

What is the talent gap between Brunson, Ball, Hali, Fox etc.
JB has been an all-NBA player with Thibs. IDK if he does that for another coach.

JBs talent isn't strictly scheme dependant. If a coach lets him do his thing he will dominate. He is a top 5-8 offensive player in the entire NBA and maybe the #1 clutch one.

I need to see it before I trust it.

Who's the next HC you wanna see us hire?

[nykballa2k4]

JBs talent isn't strictly scheme dependant. If a coach lets him do his thing he will dominate. He is a top 5-8 offensive player in the entire NBA and maybe the #1 clutch one.

I need to see it before I trust it.

Who's the next HC you wanna see us hire?

Mike Malone or Bryant.

Kidd is basically this generations next-town Brown at this point.
Jenkins basically was appointed an assistant coach who is credited for the offensive creativity, so that's not who we would be getting.
Bud seems nice, but never seems to have gotten more out of a team than they had.
Vogel - actually a good coach, and a champion, but Lakers ring aside, he always seemed like a poor mans Thibs.

of the newbies, Cassell intrigues me, but it's high variance. Could be great like Kerr GS, could be trash like 90% of other first time HC's.
You get an HC who tries to make JB more passive, idk how that goes. If he loses his edge, idk if he gets it back. Before he got here, his comp was Kyle Lowry. I don't want that.

[LFGK]

Listen, I think Thibs made some mistakes for sure. They were costly.
For those posters here of a certain age, Clippers used to have 2 players: Corey Maggette and STeve Blake. nicknamed "Bad porn" and "Soft porn"
Soft because Blake would score, but not penetrate. Bad because he would penetrate, but it wouldn't look good.

Our whole season, to some degree, was bad porn. A lot of games didn't look good, but we got the W.

I agree that Caslisle out coached us, but Thibs out-coached several guys to get us here. This includes Spo in the RS, this includes Mazula in the ECSF.

Everyones darling Ime got outcoached in the 1st round.
It happens.

Rather be one year early than one year late. I get that. However, as that series ended, I felt like we had the wind behind us and a ring was within our reach. Now we are without a rudder. We have no idea if JB is really who he's been, or if he was a product of Thibsanity. KAT will be great no matter what, Robinson will do his thing no matter what. Hard to say what happens to some of the other guys.

Come on. Brunson was emerging in Dallas before the Knicks. The only "Thibsanity" part of it is amount of touches that maybe boosted his scoring average 4 ppg. He's still the guy who can score as good as any guard in the league etc, still capable of playing off the ball IF A COACH WOULD DO IT; IF THE KNICKS ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER GUARD.

Trouble is, Mikal is basically a SF with some guard skills. OG is among the least offensively skilled wings around who is any good, if you get what I mean. He can't really take people off the dribble, but at least he can shoot and cut.

Maybe they could have added Thibs and then dealt Mikal for a real SG. Or Hart.

Having Hart and Mikal in the same lineup is a disaster, made worse by OG. I guess it could work if Jokic was the center.

Trade Hart or Mikal for a real guard.

Maybe a new coach gets more from the bench. Which also needs some upgrade work.

What is the talent gap between Brunson, Ball, Hali, Fox etc.
JB has been an all-NBA player with Thibs. IDK if he does that for another coach.

lol stop this nonsense man, Brunson is better the. All those guys you named. Won't matter who the coach will be he is our guy, KAT will prob have a big year as will OG. The team will be really good but just needs a bench player or two and then to actually play, guy get confidence as they play. OKC had 8 guys play 17+ minutes last night. You think AARON WIGGINS or CASON WALLACE are any better then McBride or Hart coming off the bench? No.....what they need to figure out is it Mitch will start next to KAT or if KAT starts at the 5 and a they get a SG next to Brunson. They should try to get Divo back, try to get G Trent, Kennard, Payton JR. Need a stronger bench to be able to play 9-10 guys in the playoffs without worry.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I need to see it before I trust it.

Who's the next HC you wanna see us hire?

Mike Malone or Bryant.

Kidd is basically this generations next-town Brown at this point.
Jenkins basically was appointed an assistant coach who is credited for the offensive creativity, so that's not who we would be getting.
Bud seems nice, but never seems to have gotten more out of a team than they had.
Vogel - actually a good coach, and a champion, but Lakers ring aside, he always seemed like a poor mans Thibs.

of the newbies, Cassell intrigues me, but it's high variance. Could be great like Kerr GS, could be trash like 90% of other first time HC's.
You get an HC who tries to make JB more passive, idk how that goes. If he loses his edge, idk if he gets it back. Before he got here, his comp was Kyle Lowry. I don't want that.

You're opinions on Brunson are wild to me but, whatever. Another discussion for another time maybe.

I'm on the fence with hiring a first time HC. As you say, risky. Bryant and Cassell definitely intrigue me there. Scared money don't make no money!!!

The more I learn about Jenkins, I don't know that he's the voice we need. Kind of feels like he should be a rebuilding coach. Doesn't seem like he could handle this job. I don't know enough about him but, what I'm learning isn't building much confidence.

Brown had that Kings team rolling. I wish I was as big of an NBA junkie as some here because, I don't really follow other teams enough to breakdown coaches. I know he's been bounced around though.

Kidd is my preferred choice just because of Brunson ties and he's had success with multiple weak defenders on his teams. He's the only one so far (the other HCs they asked about were smoke screens IMO)...that any appeal to me.

Thibs getting fired shocked me. I don't like his ways but, that's a risky move. I wanted him fired and I still see the risks. If they screw this up it'll be more drama and I'm not looking to fall back into that world again.

Maybe the actual list expands to more than Brown and Jenkins or, the Kidd move is back door tampering and eventually it happens. So far, the list is not that impressive to me.

[Adelheid]

Brunson has crazy footwork near the basket, coupled with his range...sometimes makes me wonder if he took lessons under Olajuwon.
still, would like to see a coach encourage him to tone it down a notch and help playmake for the team so he becomes less predictable and maybe even more deadly

[thebuzzardman]

Without Thibs Brunson’s going to tun into Elfrid Payton

[nykballa2k4]

Who's the next HC you wanna see us hire?

Mike Malone or Bryant.

Kidd is basically this generations next-town Brown at this point.
Jenkins basically was appointed an assistant coach who is credited for the offensive creativity, so that's not who we would be getting.
Bud seems nice, but never seems to have gotten more out of a team than they had.
Vogel - actually a good coach, and a champion, but Lakers ring aside, he always seemed like a poor mans Thibs.

of the newbies, Cassell intrigues me, but it's high variance. Could be great like Kerr GS, could be trash like 90% of other first time HC's.
You get an HC who tries to make JB more passive, idk how that goes. If he loses his edge, idk if he gets it back. Before he got here, his comp was Kyle Lowry. I don't want that.

You're opinions on Brunson are wild to me but, whatever. Another discussion for another time maybe.

I'm on the fence with hiring a first time HC. As you say, risky. Bryant and Cassell definitely intrigue me there. Scared money don't make no money!!!

The more I learn about Jenkins, I don't know that he's the voice we need. Kind of feels like he should be a rebuilding coach. Doesn't seem like he could handle this job. I don't know enough about him but, what I'm learning isn't building much confidence.

Brown had that Kings team rolling. I wish I was as big of an NBA junkie as some here because, I don't really follow other teams enough to breakdown coaches. I know he's been bounced around though.

Kidd is my preferred choice just because of Brunson ties and he's had success with multiple weak defenders on his teams. He's the only one so far (the other HCs they asked about were smoke screens IMO)...that any appeal to me.

Thibs getting fired shocked me. I don't like his ways but, that's a risky move. I wanted him fired and I still see the risks. If they screw this up it'll be more drama and I'm not looking to fall back into that world again.

Maybe the actual list expands to more than Brown and Jenkins or, the Kidd move is back door tampering and eventually it happens. So far, the list is not that impressive to me.

Oh man if it's Mike Brown I might have to take up golf or something. Don't know if I could survive that! He is not exactly known for being very creative..

[Capn'O]

continue.

previous thread - viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2462484

Can you add a poll to the OP? Something to do...

[Capn'O]

Brunson's not Lowry.

Spoiler:

for one thing Lowry is an elite defender

Spoiler:

and Brunson has an elite iso game

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[thebuzzardman]

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Traded Josh Hart

[TheGreenArrow]

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