Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[CazOnReal]

Which is exactly why I think we land him.

Success requires being bold and Masai has both.

Trading for a 37 year old KD when you were a 30 win team isn't bold, it's foolhardy. And that's a generous assessment.

I think KD is the bait to lure Giannis.

It's funny how the rumored packages to surface didn't feature overlapping assets apart from the 9th pick.

If we get KD, I'd expect a follow-up move.

Setting aside the fact that the Greek Freak isn't available, "Hey Giannis we got you an ancient running mate like you had in Milwaukee" isn't a good sales pitch when you're putting him in the same situation as the Bucks i.e. a team with a low ceiling, short window - if any at all - and few avenues to improve because of how much you'd need to give up to get him in the first place.

Like in what world are the Raptors not a barren wasteland after trading for Giannis when Desmond freaking Bane cost the Magic 4 1sts and a swap?

[Brinbe]

Am I the only one who wouldn’t want to pay KD an extension? Do you want him on the books at $50 million per year when he’s 38 years old?

Thinking about this more, I’m not buying this. The fact that an offer was leaked means it’s highly unlikely that’s the offer that gets accepted. We probably never even offered this but it’s gotten leaked to set the market.

I think there's too much smoke from people who have obvious sources in that FO for this to be some made-up thing

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and it's definitely risky but they're not giving up Ingram or Barnes or any other picks and IQ or RJ aren't too hard to replace. The big thing would be finding a C to replace Yak but I think they've probably thought on it if they're taking a swing like this.

KD was still a pretty good player last season so he won't completely fall off a cliff. They'll make a run for it during a year when the East is wide open.

[WuTang_OG]

bro, you are the one who doesn't understand anything. oh my goodness. open the schools. MINNESOTA AND TORONTO ARE NOT CONNECTED.

do you understand what leverage means? Open a dictionary and get off twitter.

leverage would mean they are stringing the raptors along with zero intention of sending him here. that's clearly not what's going on. they got what toronto has offered and went back to the other teams to see if they'd match. either they do or don't. that's not leverage

How many times does this need to be explained to you? Lol

This is getting sad dude.

Read the room. They are doing a PR game. It’s not so hard to understand. I gave u the 101 on negotiations since you’ve been inept throughout. Go to bed.

explain right now what the public relations game being played here is? who's faking what? they don't like the offers from those three teams and will send him here unless they up their offer. And if they don't, they won't? How is that PR? You're just throwing out buzz words.

Are you thinking they'll just back out and take whatever deal instead of doing what's best for their team? What purpose does that serve Phoenix? Everything they're doing is pretty clear. They're trying to appease KD, but they won't take a crappy deal just to make him happy.

You're the one lost in space making up fake scenarios on your head.

t's simple but you seem spun .. I just explained it multiple times. PHX has been leaking all this info in regards to TOR and Minny to get better offers from the rest of the teams that KD wants to go to. That is the definition of being used as leverage in order to get what they want. Now, they very well could be willing to take Minny's offer but the hold up is that KD doesn't want to go there so both sides can't agree on that. In the mean time, you get this sad PR game that they've been doing with hopes that a team that KD wants to go to, will come up with a better offer.

[sidsid]

So we’re basically safe. We don’t even have the top offer of the undesirable destinations. Even if we were willing to do the trade, Kawhi style, it would require the Wolves to back out first.

The Minny offer is conditional on KD wanting to re-sign there. I get why. If their offer includes prospects and potentially a pick they literally have nothing left to work with after re-signing Naz/Randle.

Our offer, if Masai is planning cap space as an out, likely doesn't have that condition.

Like the Kawhi trade, Masai may be the only guy at the table willing to make that gamble.

Which is exactly why I think we land him.

Success requires being bold and Masai has both.

I wasn't sure before, but I'm 80% now. KD doesn't want to spend 3 years in Minny, nor here. So he's ours.

Which is exactly why I think we land him.

Success requires being bold and Masai has both.

Trading for a 37 year old KD when you were a 30 win team isn't bold, it's foolhardy. And that's a generous assessment.

I think KD is the bait to lure Giannis.

It's funny how the rumored packages to surface didn't feature overlapping assets apart from the 9th pick.

If we get KD, I'd expect a follow-up move.

That was my call as soon as the Giannis rumours came out. Without Barnes, who would leave in the trade, he'd veto it. But he'd be fine spending a year with KD at least.

This one is a much bigger longshot to happen, but that's the master plan on another 1 year prayer like the Kawhi year was.

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[Brinbe]

How many times does this need to be explained to you? Lol

This is getting sad dude.

Read the room. They are doing a PR game. It’s not so hard to understand. I gave u the 101 on negotiations since you’ve been inept throughout. Go to bed.

explain right now what the public relations game being played here is? who's faking what? they don't like the offers from those three teams and will send him here unless they up their offer. And if they don't, they won't? How is that PR? You're just throwing out buzz words.

Are you thinking they'll just back out and take whatever deal instead of doing what's best for their team? What purpose does that serve Phoenix? Everything they're doing is pretty clear. They're trying to appease KD, but they won't take a crappy deal just to make him happy.

You're the one lost in space making up fake scenarios on your head.

t's simple but you seem spun .. I just explained it multiple times. PHX has been leaking all this info in regards to TOR and Minny to get better offers from the rest of the teams that KD wants to go to. That is the definition of being used as leverage in order to get what they want. Now, they very well could be willing to take Minny's offer but the hold up is that KD doesn't want to go there so both sides can't agree on that. In the mean time, you get this sad PR game that they've been doing with hopes that a team that KD wants to go to, will come up with a better offer.

we're going in circles here. you're not explaining anything new at all lol. so funny how you think you're actually breaking anything down when you're the one who's slow. this is literally how the game is played with any trade auction. like yes, the suns are trying to get the best possible deal for themselves and you're upset about this, why?

the only reason to be pissed is if you think the raptors aren't actually trying to get KD or something, which we know they are. so what's the beef here?

when you talk about 'pr games' you're talking about how all trades are negotiated in the nba, which is often through the media and plugged in reporters like stein/fishcer/etc who are often the conduits between FOs. what you're seeing as 'pr games' is just how the game is played and how information is relayed. i think that's where you're lost, which is funny considering you post all these twitter links and don't even understand what you're posting then

[WuTang_OG]

No they can't send him to Minny because Minny is NOT accepting the offer without KDs blessing....If Suns could send KD to Minny the deal would be done right now....But Minny if KD doesn't give assurances they do not want to blow up a contending team if KD says no....That could be the difference with us because Masai may green light the deal without caring if KD wants us or not...

Its both ways. They also dont want to send him there because KD is saying no. Thats what holding it up. In the mean time they are doing this garbage PR game.

I Don't think Suns give a damn if KD wants to go some where or not....They are trying to convince KD to go to Minny atm so they can accept the deal but it sounds like KD is still saying no....And it is totally possible that if Minnys deal does not go down Raptors become 1st in line as an option for Suns....And if Masai don't care about assurance like the Wolves do...We could end up with KD in that scenario.

Possibly. At the end of the day, whether it's both sides or one that's hesitant, that's still a road block. Toronto could end up with him just by process of elimination but as I've said, they got a week, and they will still do their PR rounds tryna to spruce shyt up.

[WuTang_OG]

explain right now what the public relations game being played here is? who's faking what? they don't like the offers from those three teams and will send him here unless they up their offer. And if they don't, they won't? How is that PR? You're just throwing out buzz words.

Are you thinking they'll just back out and take whatever deal instead of doing what's best for their team? What purpose does that serve Phoenix? Everything they're doing is pretty clear. They're trying to appease KD, but they won't take a crappy deal just to make him happy.

You're the one lost in space making up fake scenarios on your head.

t's simple but you seem spun .. I just explained it multiple times. PHX has been leaking all this info in regards to TOR and Minny to get better offers from the rest of the teams that KD wants to go to. That is the definition of being used as leverage in order to get what they want. Now, they very well could be willing to take Minny's offer but the hold up is that KD doesn't want to go there so both sides can't agree on that. In the mean time, you get this sad PR game that they've been doing with hopes that a team that KD wants to go to, will come up with a better offer.

we're going in circles here. you're not explaining anything new at all lol. so funny how you think you're actually breaking anything down when you're the one who's slow. this is literally how the game is played with any trade auction. like yes, the suns are trying to get the best possible deal for themselves and you're upset about this, why?

the only reason to be pissed is if you think the raptors aren't actually getting to KD or something, which we know they are. so what's the beef here?

There's nothing new to explain but you are arguing these teams aren't being used, which I've repeatedly explained how they are , yet you are still arguing and bringing up "oh but the raps want a big fish" Lol which means nothing in all of this. So not sure where you're head is @

[HangTime]

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I think We pretending to show interest in Sabonis, to lower the ask on Durant.

I hope that's what it is.

[Brinbe]

t's simple but you seem spun .. I just explained it multiple times. PHX has been leaking all this info in regards to TOR and Minny to get better offers from the rest of the teams that KD wants to go to. That is the definition of being used as leverage in order to get what they want. Now, they very well could be willing to take Minny's offer but the hold up is that KD doesn't want to go there so both sides can't agree on that. In the mean time, you get this sad PR game that they've been doing with hopes that a team that KD wants to go to, will come up with a better offer.

we're going in circles here. you're not explaining anything new at all lol. so funny how you think you're actually breaking anything down when you're the one who's slow. this is literally how the game is played with any trade auction. like yes, the suns are trying to get the best possible deal for themselves and you're upset about this, why?

the only reason to be pissed is if you think the raptors aren't actually getting to KD or something, which we know they are. so what's the beef here?

There's nothing new to explain but you are arguing these teams aren't being used, which I've repeatedly explained how they are , yet you are still arguing and bringing up "oh but the raps want a big fish" Lol which means nothing in all of this. So not sure where you're head is @

they're only being used if the suns have no intention of trading him here or that reporters are making all this up? do you believe that?

and the whole big fish thing is evidence that the raptors are looking to make a big addition like a durant.

what do the suns gain from stringing the raptors along just to deny them if they have the best bid?

[bballsparkin]

Yes I assume if the Suns are finally going to accept our lesser offer, the will go back to KD to give him one more chance to change his mind. At which I think he does.

talk it into existence Zeno.

[sidsid]

Trading for a 37 year old KD when you were a 30 win team isn't bold, it's foolhardy. And that's a generous assessment.

I think KD is the bait to lure Giannis.

It's funny how the rumored packages to surface didn't feature overlapping assets apart from the 9th pick.

If we get KD, I'd expect a follow-up move.

Setting aside the fact that the Greek Freak isn't available, "Hey Giannis we got you an ancient running mate like you had in Milwaukee" isn't a good sales pitch when you're putting him in the same situation as the Bucks i.e. a team with a low ceiling, short window - if any at all - and few avenues to improve because of how much you'd need to give up to get him in the first place.

Like in what world are the Raptors not a barren wasteland after trading for Giannis when Desmond freaking Bane cost the Magic 4 1sts and a swap?

Well we are sending Barnes the other way. Picks going out, but likely not all.

He'd be fine playing a year with KD. If KD leaves, and no one in FA wants to come here, he maybe requests a trade and we recoup some assets on his expiring.

[WuTang_OG]

we're going in circles here. you're not explaining anything new at all lol. so funny how you think you're actually breaking anything down when you're the one who's slow. this is literally how the game is played with any trade auction. like yes, the suns are trying to get the best possible deal for themselves and you're upset about this, why?

the only reason to be pissed is if you think the raptors aren't actually getting to KD or something, which we know they are. so what's the beef here?

There's nothing new to explain but you are arguing these teams aren't being used, which I've repeatedly explained how they are , yet you are still arguing and bringing up "oh but the raps want a big fish" Lol which means nothing in all of this. So not sure where you're head is @

they're only being used if the suns have no intention of trading him here or that reporters are making all this up? do you believe that?

and the whole big fish thing is evidence that the raptors are looking to make a big addition like a durant.

what do the suns gain from stringing the raptors along just to deny them if they have the best bid?

Here's the confusion:

The Suns can still use the Raps or Minny with hopes of getting better offers (which they are doing right now) ... and if they strikeout, they could still take either one of those deals.

[Brinbe]

There's nothing new to explain but you are arguing these teams aren't being used, which I've repeatedly explained how they are , yet you are still arguing and bringing up "oh but the raps want a big fish" Lol which means nothing in all of this. So not sure where you're head is @

they're only being used if the suns have no intention of trading him here or that reporters are making all this up? do you believe that?

and the whole big fish thing is evidence that the raptors are looking to make a big addition like a durant.

what do the suns gain from stringing the raptors along just to deny them if they have the best bid?

Here's the confusion:

The Suns can still use the Raps or Minny with hopes of getting better offers (which they are doing right now) ... and if they strikeout, they could still take either one of those deals.

there's absolutely zero confusion as yes, again that's how every auction works. they're trying to get the best deal for themselves, why are you suprised by this? but they've already said they won't just take a bad deal to please KD.

and if they do, big whoop. we didn't lose anything.

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If the Spurs/Rockets/Heat wanna up their bids they can do it but it doesn't seem like that's happening, so that's why we're in the current spot we're in.

[WuTang_OG]

Lol

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[WuTang_OG]

they're only being used if the suns have no intention of trading him here or that reporters are making all this up? do you believe that?

and the whole big fish thing is evidence that the raptors are looking to make a big addition like a durant.

what do the suns gain from stringing the raptors along just to deny them if they have the best bid?

Here's the confusion:

The Suns can still use the Raps or Minny with hopes of getting better offers (which they are doing right now) ... and if they strikeout, they could still take either one of those deals.

there's absolutely zero confusion as yes, again that's how every auction works. they're trying to get the best deal for themselves, why are you suprised by this? but they've already said they won't just take a bad deal to please KD.

and if they do, big whoop. we didn't lose anything.

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I'm not surprised.I said they are being used in the PR game and you said no they aren't Lol which, as I've shown you repeatedly that they are.
I don't know why you have an issue with this. And as I told you before, they very well could still take one of these offers if/when they strike out.

[WuTang_OG]

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[Brinbe]

Here's the confusion:

The Suns can still use the Raps or Minny with hopes of getting better offers (which they are doing right now) ... and if they strikeout, they could still take either one of those deals.

there's absolutely zero confusion as yes, again that's how every auction works. they're trying to get the best deal for themselves, why are you suprised by this? but they've already said they won't just take a bad deal to please KD.

and if they do, big whoop. we didn't lose anything.

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I'm not surprised.I said they are being used in the PR game and you said no they aren't Lol which, as I've shown you repeatedly that they are.
I don't know why you have an issue with this. And as I told you before, they very well could still take one of these offers if/when they strike out.

I think you just have a poor comprehension of language and what anything actually means.

you're going on and on about pr games when that's just how trade negotiations have worked in the NBA for the last 30-40 years, if not longer. like again, no one is denying that the suns are trying to get a good deal for themselves. the question is why you're so upset about it?

it's okay, bro. stick to posting links. maybe try to reading a few books or something so you can actually articulate your points in a coherent fashion.

[Pericles]

I hope the interest in Sabonis is real. I’d love to see a a package of Sabonis and Monk for Poeltl, IQ, Dick, and 9.

I think the fit is great, Monk is the scoring guard we need and Sabonis is a huge rebounder and passer from the C position. Barnes and Ingram are capable wing defenders. Sabonis is a good big man defender.

[WuTang_OG]

there's absolutely zero confusion as yes, again that's how every auction works. they're trying to get the best deal for themselves, why are you suprised by this? but they've already said they won't just take a bad deal to please KD.

and if they do, big whoop. we didn't lose anything.

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I'm not surprised.I said they are being used in the PR game and you said no they aren't Lol which, as I've shown you repeatedly that they are.
I don't know why you have an issue with this. And as I told you before, they very well could still take one of these offers if/when they strike out.

I think you just have a poor comprehension of language and what anything actually means.

you're going on and on about pr games when that's just how trade negotiations have worked in the NBA for the last 30-40 years, if not longer.

it's okay, bro. stick to posting links.

The only one who has bad comprehension is you since for the past 5 hours you have difficulty understanding how negotiations work lol and how teams can be used as leverage in order to better themselves. Salami.

I will keep re-posting this until you get it:

It's simple but you seem spun .. I just explained it multiple times. PHX has been leaking all this info in regards to TOR and Minny to get better offers from the rest of the teams that KD wants to go to. That is the definition of being used as leverage in order to get what they want. Now, they very well could be willing to take Minny's offer but the hold up is that KD doesn't want to go there so both sides can't agree on that. In the mean time, you get this sad PR game that they've been doing with hopes that a team that KD wants to go to, will come up with a better offer.