Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Clutch0z24]

Lots of arguing here over nonsense....But i will piece it together that makes the most sense off all reports we got so far in the negotiations...

Timberwolves have the best offer on the table and Suns would accept the deal right now if they could....Issue is KD is refusing to go there or sign an extension there if traded....That takes Minny out because they are NOT willing to give up the package that they are offering if they do not get a KD commitment....So Suns atm are in fact trying hard to get KD to accept Minny and agree to stay there long term which as of now is NOT happening...

Raptors offer is prolly the 2nd best offer on the table atm with Yak/One of RJ/IQ + 9th pick.....Maybe both RJ/IQ but i don't see that being the case but have no idea....Unlike the Timberwolves Masai does not care if KD commits long term to us and is willing to take the gamble/risk even if it means giving up assets for a player who has the potential to walk in free agency....Which might put us in the drivers seat for KD if KD keeps his stance on not wanting to extend with Minny....

Spurs do not want to offer up their best package for KD as they are saving assets for if Giannis hits the market....So its unlikely they are in the KD race at all atm

Rockets could be doing the same as the Spurs and saving assets for Giannis and they maybe unwilling to up their offer to compete with Raps/Minny

Heat i don't think have the assets the Suns really want....They have more young players and not a great draft pick....So i don't think Suns like what Miami are giving them as well....

Its very possible KD is a Raptor if none of his prefered destinations up their offers (Which at this moment it seems like they are not upping them) And if KD does not accept to extend with Minny i doubt Minny takes the gamble on giving up so much for a rental....

We are being used as leverage to up the offers from the Spurs/Rockets but Raps and Minny are deff interested in getting KD.....No denying that...Its not fake news like some think....But the thing is WILL them teams up their offers...And if not Raps and Minny have a good chance of landing KD....

[RaptorPride]

If Sabonis is on this team I'll be out the door until he leaves. That guy is one of the worst and most useless players I've ever seen especially in the playoffs

He'd beast in the East. I just think he's a horrible fit and not worth the acquisition cost.

Only if we keep Poeltl as backup which I'm not sure we would do financially. I watched a lot of Kings games last year and you definitely need a 7 footer to back him up. Someone who is tall and and grab boards. On offence he's gonna be 4th or 5th option. But everything else he does is killer just a very smart player who is team first and all about winning no matter what. He will just put up points like Siakam does. Very randomly with out having plays run for him but don't throw him the ball and ask him to get you a bucket.

[RaptorPride]

Lots of arguing here over nonsense....But i will piece it together that makes the most sense off all reports we got so far in the negotiations...

Timberwolves have the best offer on the table and Sun would accept the deal right now if they could....Issue is KD is refusing to go there or sign an extension there if traded....That takes Minny out because they are NOT willing to give up the package that they are offering if they do not get a KD commitment....So Suns atm are in fact trying hard to get KD to accept Minny and agree to stay there long term which as of now is NOT happening...

Raptors offer is prolly the 2nd best offer on the table atm with Yak/One of RJ/IQ + 9th pick.....Maybe both RJ/IQ but i don't see that being the case but have no idea....Unlike the Timberwolves Masai does not care if KD commits long term to us and is willing to take the gamble/risk even if it means giving up assets for a player who has the potential to walk in free agency....Which might make us in the drivers seat for KD if KD keeps his stance on not wanting to extend with Minny....

Spurs do not want to offer up their best package for KD as they are saving assets for if Giannis hits the market....So its unlikely they are in the KD race at all atm

Rockets could be doing the same as the Spurs and saving assets for Giannis and they maybe unwilling to up their offer to compete with Raps/Minny

Heat i don't think have the assets the Suns really want....They have more young players and not a great draft pick....So i don't think Suns like what Miami are giving them as well....

Its very possible KD is a Raptor if none of his prefered destinations up their offers (Which at this moment it seems like they are not upping them) And if KD does not accept to extend with Minny i doubt Minny takes the gamble on giving up so much for a rental....

KDs master plan is working to come play for his childhood team. Get them to pay as little as possible.

[WuTang_OG]

Lots of arguing here over nonsense....But i will piece it together that makes the most sense off all reports we got so far in the negotiations...

Timberwolves have the best offer on the table and Suns would accept the deal right now if they could....Issue is KD is refusing to go there or sign an extension there if traded....That takes Minny out because they are NOT willing to give up the package that they are offering if they do not get a KD commitment....So Suns atm are in fact trying hard to get KD to accept Minny and agree to stay there long term which as of now is NOT happening...

Raptors offer is prolly the 2nd best offer on the table atm with Yak/One of RJ/IQ + 9th pick.....Maybe both RJ/IQ but i don't see that being the case but have no idea....Unlike the Timberwolves Masai does not care if KD commits long term to us and is willing to take the gamble/risk even if it means giving up assets for a player who has the potential to walk in free agency....Which might make us in the drivers seat for KD if KD keeps his stance on not wanting to extend with Minny....

Spurs do not want to offer up their best package for KD as they are saving assets for if Giannis hits the market....So its unlikely they are in the KD race at all atm

Rockets could be doing the same as the Spurs and saving assets for Giannis and they maybe unwilling to up their offer to compete with Raps/Minny

Heat i don't think have the assets the Suns really want....They have more young players and not a great draft pick....So i don't think Suns like what Miami are giving them as well....

Its very possible KD is a Raptor if none of his prefered destinations up their offers (Which at this moment it seems like they are not upping them) And if KD does not accept to extend with Minny i doubt Minny takes the gamble on giving up so much for a rental....

We are being used as leverage to up the offers from the Spurs/Rockets but Raps and Minny are deff interested in getting KD.....No denying that...Its not fake news like some think....But the thing is WILL them teams up their offers...And if not Raps and Minny have a good chance of landing KD....

you dont say? Lol

[WuTang_OG]

Lots of arguing here over nonsense....But i will piece it together that makes the most sense off all reports we got so far in the negotiations...

Timberwolves have the best offer on the table and Sun would accept the deal right now if they could....Issue is KD is refusing to go there or sign an extension there if traded....That takes Minny out because they are NOT willing to give up the package that they are offering if they do not get a KD commitment....So Suns atm are in fact trying hard to get KD to accept Minny and agree to stay there long term which as of now is NOT happening...

Raptors offer is prolly the 2nd best offer on the table atm with Yak/One of RJ/IQ + 9th pick.....Maybe both RJ/IQ but i don't see that being the case but have no idea....Unlike the Timberwolves Masai does not care if KD commits long term to us and is willing to take the gamble/risk even if it means giving up assets for a player who has the potential to walk in free agency....Which might make us in the drivers seat for KD if KD keeps his stance on not wanting to extend with Minny....

Spurs do not want to offer up their best package for KD as they are saving assets for if Giannis hits the market....So its unlikely they are in the KD race at all atm

Rockets could be doing the same as the Spurs and saving assets for Giannis and they maybe unwilling to up their offer to compete with Raps/Minny

Heat i don't think have the assets the Suns really want....They have more young players and not a great draft pick....So i don't think Suns like what Miami are giving them as well....

Its very possible KD is a Raptor if none of his prefered destinations up their offers (Which at this moment it seems like they are not upping them) And if KD does not accept to extend with Minny i doubt Minny takes the gamble on giving up so much for a rental....

KDs master plan is working to come play for his childhood team. Get them to pay as little as possible.

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[bballsparkin]

Only if we keep Poeltl as backup which I'm not sure we would do financially. I watched a lot of Kings games last year and you definitely need a 7 footer to back him up. Someone who is tall and and grab boards. On offence he's gonna be 4th or 5th option. But everything else he does is killer just a very smart player who is team first and all about winning no matter what. He will just put up points like Siakam does. Very randomly with out having plays run for him but don't throw him the ball and ask him to get you a bucket.

IQ and RJ for Sabonis and Monk works in the trade checker. Raptors would have to include 9th I imagine.

Sabonis/Poeltl
Barnes/Mogbo
BI/?
Ochai/GD,JKW,Monk
Shead

Definitely would need a follow up move.

edit: he might cost more but that's the most I'd want to give up.

[Scase]

Yes bring it on Masai give me maximum chaos!

[CazOnReal]

Only if we keep Poeltl as backup which I'm not sure we would do financially. I watched a lot of Kings games last year and you definitely need a 7 footer to back him up. Someone who is tall and and grab boards. On offence he's gonna be 4th or 5th option. But everything else he does is killer just a very smart player who is team first and all about winning no matter what. He will just put up points like Siakam does. Very randomly with out having plays run for him but don't throw him the ball and ask him to get you a bucket.

IQ and RJ for Sabonis and Monk works in the trade checker. Raptors would have to include 9th I imagine.

Sabonis/Poeltl
Barnes/Mogbo
BI/?
Ochai/GD,JKW,Monk
Shead

Definitely would need a follow up move.

edit: he might cost more but that's the most I'd want to give up.

If i'm taking on Sabonis' contract, not only is 9 not on the table but i'm asking for draft compensation. Awful fit and being paid like a 1st option.

[bballsparkin]

If i'm taking on Sabonis' contract, not only is 9 not on the table but i'm asking for draft compensation. Awful fit and being paid like a 1st option.

I don't think that would appeal to Sacramento. I think of him more as an old school PF. Wonder how he would do next to a guy like Bam.

[ConSarnit]

Only if we keep Poeltl as backup which I'm not sure we would do financially. I watched a lot of Kings games last year and you definitely need a 7 footer to back him up. Someone who is tall and and grab boards. On offence he's gonna be 4th or 5th option. But everything else he does is killer just a very smart player who is team first and all about winning no matter what. He will just put up points like Siakam does. Very randomly with out having plays run for him but don't throw him the ball and ask him to get you a bucket.

IQ and RJ for Sabonis and Monk works in the trade checker. Raptors would have to include 9th I imagine.

Sabonis/Poeltl
Barnes/Mogbo
BI/?
Ochai/GD,JKW,Monk
Shead

Definitely would need a follow up move.

edit: he might cost more but that's the most I'd want to give up.

If i'm taking on Sabonis' contract, not only is 9 not on the table but i'm asking for draft compensation. Awful fit and being paid like a 1st option.

I don’t know why so many on this board are infatuated with Sabonis. I want no part of him. He doesn’t hold up in the playoffs. He’s the personification of “1st round exit”.

[RaptorPride]

Yes bring it on Masai give me maximum chaos!

**** IT MASAI GO ALL IN FOR THIS ONE SEASON!!! TRADE EVERYTHING

GO OUT WITH A BANG FOR YOUR LAST YEAR

[bballsparkin]

I don’t know why so many on this board are infatuated with Sabonis. I want no part of him. He doesn’t hold up in the playoffs. He’s the personification of “1st round exit”.

For the record, I am not at all enamoured with Sabonis. I want to be patient and keep building. Just shooting the **** is all.

[HangTime]

Masai shapes the roster to make any acquisition seem plausable, at a surface level.

Prentending to show Sabonis might make teams ahead of to consider Derik Queen, who's in a similar arachatype.

[Pointgod]

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Cris Davis is not a reporter. They're a Twitter user with a checkmark. They have no sources, they are at best aggregating previous rumors and presenting them as a matter of fact and have been wrong about a lot of previous ""reports"".

Is this the guy with the AI avatar?

[Pointgod]

I like Masai is doing and there is a lot of reporting that is being taken out of context. We are not giving, RJ, IQ, Jakob and 9 for KD. It is a combination of that. I still think RJ, Walter, Jakob and 9 for KD and 29 is what’s on the table. For those worried about KD being a FA, he will want to get paid on his next contract and go to a contender. So he either re-ups with Toronto for Max, or it will have to be a S and T. In any situation Toronto gets back a starter level guy like IQ or Jakob and a first even if things don’t work out next year. Super low risk in my mind.

Masai I think is going to continue to discuss deals with other teams to put pressure on the Suns to pull the trigger. The suns on the other end probably want to hold out to as close to the draft as possible hoping someone ponies up a bit more value.

However, I don’t see the other teams upping their offers and I think KD would prefer Toronto over Minny.

Question are what other deals Masai has up his sleeve.

Also wondering if the outcome of all this is Scottie ends up playing the point.

Deal one RJ, Ochai, Jakob and 9 for KD and 29

Second deal Quickley, Walter. 29th and a future first for Sabonis.

Scottie
Ingram
KD
Mogbo
Sabonis

If we end up with Sabonis Masai is officially washed. I’ve been willing to give our FO a chance to turn it around on the hope they’d learned some lessons over the past 3-4 years. If we trade for Sabonis that is a surefire sign they’ve lost their fastball. Sabonis is a prime example of a play-in or bust player and he cannot hold up in the playoffs.

I’ve got bad news for you….

[Basketball_Jones]

Oh frig off with Sabonis

[TGM]

[quote="ConSarnit"][quote="CazOnReal"][quote="bballsparkin"]

IQ and RJ for Sabonis and Monk works in the trade checker. Raptors would have to include 9th I imagine.

Sabonis/Poeltl
Barnes/Mogbo
BI/?
Ochai/GD,JKW,Monk
Shead

Definitely would need a follow up move.

edit: he might cost more but that's the most I'd want to give up.[/quote]
If i'm taking on Sabonis' contract, not only is 9 not on the table but i'm asking for draft compensation. Awful fit and being paid like a 1st option.[/quote]

I don’t know why so many on this board are infatuated with Sabonis. I want no part of him. He doesn’t hold up in the playoffs. He’s the personification of “1st round exit”.[/quote]

The simple answer is that Sabonis' game is not built around dominating the ball and dropping 40. That's why we went out to get a scorer like Ingram. Not saying Ingram is like Ant Man tier, but he is the most offensive oriented type of scorer that we've had since Kawhi.

Giannis obviously would be the number one choice, but if he isn't available we got no choice. There are only so many Alpha scorers that are tier 1 and they pretty much never come available for the Raps. KD is probably the closest thing now, despite his age. I do think getting KD makes Ingram a bit redundant, but nothing holds us back from dealing Ingram as well.

Sabonis is a heck of a player. But to make him work we need to surround him with 3 PT shooters to maximize his passing game. The issue I think with the kings isn't Sabonis. Derozan, Lavine are all self creators. So you limit maximizing his game.

Regardless, I think if Sabonis is available you try to get him just like KD. The market prices don't seem out of wack for these guys.

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Betting odds going crazy. From +3000 2 days ago to +400 now

Minnesota and Houston are +350

[KP730]

while I do not want to believe the Raptors are considering dealing for Sabonis, the fact that Doug Smith was specifically reporting earlier that the Raptors are NOT discussing Sabonis gives me this terrible feeling that it is in fact happening

[TimeForChange]

Sabonis is empty calories. People here want Sabonis?