Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[mademan]

Off-handedly threw this out in the New Orleans/BOS thread, but does Murray & 7 from NOP to BKN for 19 and Cam make any sense? In a NOP wants to compete this year world. Long term, probably better to suck it up and keep 7. Grab a PG at 19, sign Cory Joseph, etc.

I dont know how NOP looks at their roster, looks at the unreliability of Zion, looks at the state of the West and come away thinking that trading back in the draft for a vet forward is the way to go.

They are unfortunately gonna be forced to rebuild yet again

Let me introduce you to Joe Dumars... I kid, but new GM and Zion looked good at the end of last year. And it's not just getting Cam, it's dumping Murray too. Not the smartest long term move ever, but I could see it. Ultimately, 7 is probably a little too rich for that. Maybe trade back once (10-15 range) and get something extra, then 10-15 pick and Murray for 19 and Cam. Lot of moving parts, though.

If they were in the east, i could see it. But even with this trade, they'd be one of the worst teams in a conference that really only has 1 tanking team (Utah) and across the board just better top down squads. I cant imagine theyre gonna buy this offseason

[djFan71]

I dont know how NOP looks at their roster, looks at the unreliability of Zion, looks at the state of the West and come away thinking that trading back in the draft for a vet forward is the way to go.

They are unfortunately gonna be forced to rebuild yet again

Let me introduce you to Joe Dumars... I kid, but new GM and Zion looked good at the end of last year. And it's not just getting Cam, it's dumping Murray too. Not the smartest long term move ever, but I could see it. Ultimately, 7 is probably a little too rich for that. Maybe trade back once (10-15 range) and get something extra, then 10-15 pick and Murray for 19 and Cam. Lot of moving parts, though.

If they were in the east, i could see it. But even with this trade, they'd be one of the worst teams in a conference that really only has 1 tanking team (Utah) and across the board just better top down squads. I cant imagine theyre gonna buy this offseason

Yeah, I honestly don’t know what you do for NOP. If you count on Zion being available it’s a whole different set of moves than if you don’t. But you can’t count on it. But you also can’t not consider it and tear it down and keep him, cuz what if he is healthy?

Tough spot. But trading 7 probably isn’t the right answer.

[Mamba4Goat]

If OKC attached Topic how far up could them move from 15?

[Godaddycurse]

Random thought... Using picks salary as matching

Phoenix out: Durant
Phoenix in: Poeltl, Barrett, 9

Toronto out: Poeltl, Barrett, 9
Toronto in: Gobert, DDV, Miller, Garza, 17

Minnesota trade: Gobert, DDV, Garza, Miller, 17
Minnesota receive: Durant

Why for Phoenix: Add a younger/better playmaking C and lotto pick. Barrett can play SF unlike DDV
Why for Minny: get durant
Why for Toronto: get a big fish.. center upgrade. DDV fits barnes/ingram better in starting lineup

[tester551]

If OKC attached Topic how far up could them move from 15?

11?

[nolaPELSfan]

What could Trey Murphy, #7 & #23, & Kelly Olynyk fetch? Maybe another future 1st or 2?

Lamelo, Jah, Garland, Annunoby, Bam, Maxey, Suggs?
Add Hawkins(filler) for Sabonis?

Any takers?

[zimpy27]

WOuld any of the teams in the top 9 of the lottery this year be interested in AD? If so, what would a package look like? Intentionally put 9 because Dallas should have zero interest in Jalen Green, and 9 straight games is probably the most AD has ever played in his entire career.

Surely Spurs would consider #2 for Davis. I mean he would be a great fit with Wemby an Fox.

Mavs get #2, Keldon, Vassell, Barnes

Spurs get Davis, PJ, Christie

Spurs take over the league:
Fox, Castle, PJ, Davis, Wemby -- CP3, Christie, Champagnie, Sochan, Bassey -- Branham, Wesley, #14, #38, Sandro

[zimpy27]

The package for Durant...

Could Suns not use it for JJJ?

What is the gap between JJJ and Durant?

[Godaddycurse]

The package for Durant...

Could Suns not use it for JJJ?

What is the gap between JJJ and Durant?

Durant is worth around pick 8-10

JJJ is worth 2-4 probably (not sure if SAS would trade 2 for him but Philly/Charlotte would trade their pick for him imo)

[zimpy27]

The package for Durant...

Could Suns not use it for JJJ?

What is the gap between JJJ and Durant?

Durant is worth around pick 8-10

JJJ is worth 2-4 probably

I think Durant is worth more than that. Maybe 6-8.

But yeah it's a big difference.


Rockets get Durant
Suns get JJJ, Green
Grizzlies get Jabari, Dunn, Landale, Holiday, #10, 2xFuture Suns FRP.

[Godaddycurse]

The package for Durant...

Could Suns not use it for JJJ?

What is the gap between JJJ and Durant?

Durant is worth around pick 8-10

JJJ is worth 2-4 probably

I think Durant is worth more than that. Maybe 6-8.

But yeah it's a big difference.

6-7 is what phoenix wants, 9-10 (or less) is whats being offered

[Klomp]

The package for Durant...

Could Suns not use it for JJJ?

What is the gap between JJJ and Durant?

I had been thinking about JJJ for Gobert ideas even before the Bane trade. I think it would be interesting.

[Klomp]

I think a different way to think about trade prices is to look at what a trade will mean for the other team, not just the team you are invested in.

I think part of the reason people roasted the initial Gobert trade so hard is because Utah made it in conjunction with the Mitchell trade. People thought Utah was fast-tracking their way to a tank-aided rebuild. Well, this is the first draft of the three years where they have been picking higher than 9, and the rebuild has been largely a disaster if you ask most people I believe. We're roughly halfway through the pick allocations and Utah has very little to show for the trade. (I'm sure babyjax13 or SkyHook can correct me though, if they've been pleased with the trajectory of the last 3 years).

I think part of the fear around a Gobert-involved Durant trade now for most people around Minnesota is the worry of an overpay, meaning that a team will make a monstrous jump to title contention, similar to the leap Minnesota made after acquiring him. Well, I personally have very little concern about Phoenix building a title team around Booker and Gobert. They may field a team that could crawl out of the play-in tournament, but I don't really see them earning home-court advantage at any point. So I'm not honestly too concerned about that iteration being an overpay.

[Devilanche]

If OKC attached Topic how far up could them move from 15?

11?

Probably not worth it for OKC to move topic .

[shrink]

Read on Twitter

Right now, MIN is $16.6 over the second apron. To legally do a Durant trade at the deadline, we would need to send out at least $16.6 PLUS $51.2 or $67.8 mil.

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Shannon ($2.5) + #17 ($0) = $57.7 mil outgoing salary

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Dillingham ($6.3) + #17 ($0) = $61.5 mil outgoing salary

Now, maybe MIN and PHX are sending other contracts to a third team simultaneously, but these deals are illegal

[kobe_vs_jordan]

If OKC attached Topic how far up could them move from 15?

How far okc trying to go. I think his potential in the 6 to 8 range pre injury. Hard to know how teams would value him now.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Read on Twitter

Right now, MIN is $16.6 over the second apron. To legally do a Durant trade at the deadline, we would need to send out at least $16.6 PLUS $51.2 or $67.8 mil.

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Shannon ($2.5) + #17 ($0) = $57.7 mil outgoing salary

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Dillingham ($6.3) + #17 ($0) = $61.5 mil outgoing salary

Now, maybe MIN and PHX are sending other contracts to a third team simultaneously, but these deals are illegal

Would assume this the leading offer. Imagine KD is a timberwolve if so.

[giberish]

Right now, MIN is $16.6 over the second apron. To legally do a Durant trade at the deadline, we would need to send out at least $16.6 PLUS $51.2 or $67.8 mil.

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Shannon ($2.5) + #17 ($0) = $57.7 mil outgoing salary

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Dillingham ($6.3) + #17 ($0) = $61.5 mil outgoing salary

Now, maybe MIN and PHX are sending other contracts to a third team simultaneously, but these deals are illegal

It's really impossible to have a Phz/Minny deal as 2 team only. They need a 3rd team to take money in. The Nets seem to be hoping to be paid off as the 3rd team in KD or other big deals.

[zimpy27]

Read on Twitter

Right now, MIN is $16.6 over the second apron. To legally do a Durant trade at the deadline, we would need to send out at least $16.6 PLUS $51.2 or $67.8 mil.

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Shannon ($2.5) + #17 ($0) = $57.7 mil outgoing salary

Gobert ($43.8) + DiVincenzo ($11.4) + Dillingham ($6.3) + #17 ($0) = $61.5 mil outgoing salary

Now, maybe MIN and PHX are sending other contracts to a third team simultaneously, but these deals are illegal

DDV to 3rd team seems reasonable.

[shrink]

It's really impossible to have a Phz/Minny deal as 2 team only.

Yes. Both teams can’t take back one dollar more in trade, or else they’d have to complete the deal beneath the first apron, which both teams are light years away from.

And I have heard people suggest giving Naz or Randle a deal that is exactly the right amount to add in to make the overall trade salaries equal, so neither team takes in more. Unfortunately, PHX can’t acquire a player in a sign-and-trade without triggering apron limitations they can’t reach.

A third team is needed. If you note, both packages are more that KD’s salary, so they need to dump salary too.