2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[brackdan70]

The piece about the spurs monitoring JB over the years is interesting.

Is JB’s value high enough to get #2, #14, and devin vassell from the spurs?

Is there a world where you can then flip #14 and devin vassell for KD? It’s like the best of both worlds by getting KD for short-term and #2 for the long-term

I don’t think he can get #2.
Vassell, Barnes, 14 and a couple future picks seems realistic. I don’t think the Celtics are trading him though.

Delusional.

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It’s delusional to believe the Cs are not trading Brown? How so?

[Celts17Pride]

Spurs don’t need Harper. Facts. It’s posturing. If they can add Jaylen Brown to Wemby, Fox, Castle and Sochan they will do it.
The big question is would Brad do it. It’s a risk. A step back to take steps forward in a couple years. And if Boston did the type of move they would also trade White, Jrue and KP meaning it’s a whole new roster. And they’d be in play for another top pick next summer. Sounds nuts, right? But it’s really not. In this scenario Tatum takes his time coming back and returns for 26-27 at 28 years old turning 29 in March of that season.
If executed well the team could be loaded for another window.

Tatum is already talking to his agent about where his next destination is going to be in the NBA. Tatum would have no interest staying on a rebuilding team during his prime years in my opinion

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

[Celts17Pride]

I don’t think he can get #2.
Vassell, Barnes, 14 and a couple future picks seems realistic. I don’t think the Celtics are trading him though.

Delusional.

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It’s delusional to believe the Cs are not trading Brown? How so?

Celtics could trade Jaylen Brown but it won't be for rookies and young players. That's a rebuild and that doesn't fit Tatum's needs and timeline.

[hugepatsfan]

Tatum is already talking to his agent about where his next destination is going to be in the NBA. Tatum would have no interest staying on a rebuilding team during his prime years in my opinion

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum's not going to demand a trade while he's rehabbing his Achilles and he's not going to demand one his first year back. That's just not realistic. If the Celtics traded literally the entire roster for picks right now, which isn't going to happen but just playing along... they'd obviously be in position to make "win now" moves around him by the 27-28 season that maybe he'd start to think about demanding a trade ahead if the didn't.

The whole "Tatum will demand out if you trade too many guys" angle you keep pushing is way too dramatic. The moves themselves wouldn't lock you into that. Not following up with win now moves in the following couple of offseasons to build it back would be what makes him demand out.

[Celts17Pride]

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum's not going to demand a trade while he's rehabbing his Achilles and he's not going to demand one his first year back. That's just not realistic. If the Celtics traded literally the entire roster for picks right now, which isn't going to happen but just playing along... they'd obviously be in position to make "win now" moves around him by the 27-28 season that maybe he'd start to think about demanding a trade ahead if the didn't.

The whole "Tatum will demand out if you trade too many guys" angle you keep pushing is way too dramatic. The moves themselves wouldn't lock you into that. Not following up with win now moves in the following couple of offseasons to build it back would be what makes him demand out.

Tatum is not spending his next 4 years of his contract playing for a Hawks/Kings type team. If Brown is traded it will be for another all-star. By year 3 you will be hearing rumblings of Tatum wanting out just like Giannis right now.

This forum is so ridiculous, just can't wait for the Celtics to be mediocre again so they can be happy.

[Hal14]

Tatum is already talking to his agent about where his next destination is going to be in the NBA. Tatum would have no interest staying on a rebuilding team during his prime years in my opinion

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum told you this?

[Hal14]

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum's not going to demand a trade while he's rehabbing his Achilles and he's not going to demand one his first year back. That's just not realistic. If the Celtics traded literally the entire roster for picks right now, which isn't going to happen but just playing along... they'd obviously be in position to make "win now" moves around him by the 27-28 season that maybe he'd start to think about demanding a trade ahead if the didn't.

The whole "Tatum will demand out if you trade too many guys" angle you keep pushing is way too dramatic. The moves themselves wouldn't lock you into that. Not following up with win now moves in the following couple of offseasons to build it back would be what makes him demand out.

Yeah and obviously Brad is way too good of a GM to not build us back into a contender by that time.

[Celts17Pride]

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum told you this?

Common sense. Hal, every year you fall in love with college players like they are a sure thing. A few years ago you were in love with Jordan Walsh. Walsh will be lucky if he is on the team next year. You don't trade players like Tatum, Brown, White for swings at the fence. Not when you are one year removed from a championship. Thank goodness Brad Stevens has more sense than posters in this forum.

[gammajamma]

Throwing out this idea

Celtics Out: Jaylen Brown, Jrue, Hauser, #32
Celtics In: #2, Vassell, Gafford, PJ Washington, Anthony Black

Spurs Out: #2, Vassell, Barnes, 27 ATL first, 31 Kings first
Spurs In: Jaylen Brown

Mavericks Out: Gafford, Washington, Powell
Mavericks In: Jrue

Magic Out: Anthony Black, Jett Howard
Magic In: Sam Hauser, #32

Nets Out: Nothing
Nets IN: Harrison Barnes, Powell, Jett Howard, ATL 27, 31 SAC Kings first

Saves the celtics 32 mill. Might not be enough for the other teams

[Celts17Pride]

Do you have a source confirming the bold part?

Also, ddb said nothing about rebuilding. He's describing reloading for another title window, beginning when Tatum is back healthy.

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum's not going to demand a trade while he's rehabbing his Achilles and he's not going to demand one his first year back. That's just not realistic. If the Celtics traded literally the entire roster for picks right now, which isn't going to happen but just playing along... they'd obviously be in position to make "win now" moves around him by the 27-28 season that maybe he'd start to think about demanding a trade ahead if the didn't.

The whole "Tatum will demand out if you trade too many guys" angle you keep pushing is way too dramatic. The moves themselves wouldn't lock you into that. Not following up with win now moves in the following couple of offseasons to build it back would be what makes him demand out.

Then you become the LA Lakers with Lebron. Tatum dictating moves to Brad Stevens and the Celtics listening to try to keep Tatum. See how that is turning out for the Lakers.

[Hal14]

Spurs don’t need Harper. Facts. It’s posturing. If they can add Jaylen Brown to Wemby, Fox, Castle and Sochan they will do it.
The big question is would Brad do it. It’s a risk. A step back to take steps forward in a couple years. And if Boston did the type of move they would also trade White, Jrue and KP meaning it’s a whole new roster. And they’d be in play for another top pick next summer. Sounds nuts, right? But it’s really not. In this scenario Tatum takes his time coming back and returns for 26-27 at 28 years old turning 29 in March of that season.
If executed well the team could be loaded for another window.

Yeah, I think you're right, it's posturing.

They already have Fox and Castle.

If Fox gets an extension then that will make it even harder for Harper to get minutes.

And even if the Spurs pick Harper, at some point they will have to let one go, among the 3 PGs they have.

Right the whole thing depends on Harper being this elite PG prospect. If he was there is zero issue, just pick him, put Castle to the bench and trade Castle when the time comes. They wouldn't even need to think about trading that pick.

There are just way too many people assuming Harper is that guy when it isn't super clear imo, the guy he really reminds me of is D'Angelo Russell.

So the question was what if he is the next Cade Cunningham? Ok great so he would completely suck for three years and then still be a solidly negative efficiency scorer when Tatum is in his 30s? Brad might trade Jaylen but he's looking for an absolute mother load - you know he had discussions with Orlando about White that would have brought more back than what Bane got. He's not taking Barnes, Vassell and Nesmith 2.0 for Jaylen Brown he might as well go back to his plans of being a pharmacist for goodness sake.

Cade didn't suck for 3 years. He was good and he would have been better but he was on a dumpster fire of a team, had some of the worst teammates and worst coaching in NBA history, with some of the worst spacing the league has seen in recent years.

Harper is a Cade/Paolo level prospect imo. And Paolo won rookie of the year, was best player on a playoff team in years 2 and 3. Harper is a better prospect than Scottie Barnes, who also won ROY. Harper is extremely polished and skilled for a freshman. He should be very good, right from the get go. In terms of having a game that's NBA-ready, that is skilled and polished - Harper is about as good as any prospect we have seen in recent memory. And his dad had a long NBA career, winning 5 NBA titles - so he's got the bloodline and has been around the NBA game for his whole life. Should be a seamless transition for Harper to the NBA.

If we traded for Harper, he could develop, make some rookie mistakes and learn from them while Tatum is on the shelf recovering from injury. Then once Tatum back to 100%, the training wheels would be off Harper.

I doubt it happens though. Reports just yesterday said Spurs are open to moving pick 14 but have given no indication they would move pick 2. And reports are saying that while Brad is listening to JB offers, JB is likely to stay in Boston, Brad would have to really get blown away by an offer to move JB..so it likely doesn't happen.

More realistically, we're moving guys like KP, Hauser, Jrue to save $ and reload for another title window once Tatum is back healthy in 26-27 season.

[Celts17Pride]

Again, if you want to move Jaylen Brown and break up his contract you trade him for another all-star, not rookies that may never be as good as Jaylen Brown. If you trade Jaylen Brown for rookies then it's a rebuild. In my opinion if the Celtics rebuild then Tatum will be asking out. That's why you hear Brad Stevens say the Celtics are not rebuilding and not tanking.

[165bows]

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum told you this?

Common sense. Hal, every year you fall in love with college players like they are a sure thing. A few years ago you were in love with Jordan Walsh. Walsh will be lucky if he is on the team next year. You don't trade players like Tatum, Brown, White for swings at the fence. Not when you are one year removed from a championship. Thank goodness Brad Stevens has more sense than posters in this forum.

Right there are two types of Jaylen trades that make sense. The first is the Giannis/Jokic elite superstar who's coming upon an expiring deal and is potentially disgruntled and looking for a winner.

Punting on that option for an unproven rookie who almost certainly won't be a positive contributor at the level of a top-2 or 3 guy on a championship team doesn't make sense. If the prospect is that sure-fire elite, eg Flagg etc, he's not going to be available for Brown. The cost of that trade is taking on the big risk that the rookie isn't that good and if they are wrong it's crippling.

The other option is finding an elite guy near the top of the draft that doesn't cost the same as a 1-2 pick (much like how they got Tatum and an extra first with him). And that has to be a top-10 pick they are super certain about hitting - then on top of that a young guy that they expect to break out (ie, a young JDub, not Devin Vassell), and a whole crap ton of ancillary assets on top of it.

Anything else makes no sense.

[Celts17Pride]

Tatum told you this?

Common sense. Hal, every year you fall in love with college players like they are a sure thing. A few years ago you were in love with Jordan Walsh. Walsh will be lucky if he is on the team next year. You don't trade players like Tatum, Brown, White for swings at the fence. Not when you are one year removed from a championship. Thank goodness Brad Stevens has more sense than posters in this forum.

Right there are two types of Jaylen trades that make sense. The first is the Giannis/Jokic elite superstar who's coming upon an expiring deal and is potentially disgruntled and looking for a winner.

Punting on that option for an unproven rookie who almost certainly won't be a positive contributor at the level of a top-2 or 3 guy on a championship team doesn't make sense. If the prospect is that sure-fire elite, eg Flagg etc, he's not going to be available for Brown. The cost of that trade is taking on the big risk that the rookie isn't that good and if they are wrong it's crippling.

The other option is finding an elite guy near the top of the draft that doesn't cost the same as a 1-2 pick (much like how they got Tatum and an extra first with him). And that has to be a top-10 pick they are super certain about hitting - then on top of that a young guy that they expect to break out (ie, a young JDub, not Devin Vassell), and a whole crap ton of ancillary assets on top of it.

Anything else makes no sense.

To me the first scenario makes sense, the second scenario does not. I think Jaylen Brown will definitely be in Boston the next two years and then if things don't work out Brown will be part of a package for scenario 1. The same goes for Derrick White. Too early to rebuild. I think the Tatum, Brown and White core has a two year window before the Celtics break things up.

[Hal14]

If you get rid of Brown, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis and White then you are rebuilding. Tatum won't be sticking around for a rebuild. Look at Giannis, he is basically giving the Bucks one year to turn things around. Tatum would be doing the same thing. Tatum wants to win championships, not wait 3-5 years for rookies to develop.

Tatum told you this?

Common sense. Hal, every year you fall in love with college players like they are a sure thing. A few years ago you were in love with Jordan Walsh. Walsh will be lucky if he is on the team next year. You don't trade players like Tatum, Brown, White for swings at the fence. Not when you are one year removed from a championship. Thank goodness Brad Stevens has more sense than posters in this forum.

Let's not make this personal. Let's stick to the subject matter. Jordan Walsh has nothing to do with this.

Massive difference between Jordan Walsh and Dylan Harper. If you can't see that, it's not even worth a discussion. 38th pick vs the 2nd pick - it's comparing apples to oranges.

I thought Walsh was pretty good value in that draft for the 38th pick..I believe Swish Theory had him ranked like 21st or something in that class..I definitely wasn't in love with him.

[Celts17Pride]

Tatum told you this?

Common sense. Hal, every year you fall in love with college players like they are a sure thing. A few years ago you were in love with Jordan Walsh. Walsh will be lucky if he is on the team next year. You don't trade players like Tatum, Brown, White for swings at the fence. Not when you are one year removed from a championship. Thank goodness Brad Stevens has more sense than posters in this forum.

Let's not make this personal. Let's stick to the subject matter. Jordan Walsh has nothing to do with this.

Massive difference between Jordan Walsh and Dylan Harper. If you can't see that, it's not even worth a discussion.

Dylan Harper is not a sure thing. Sorry. May never be as good of a shooter that he will need to be at the next level. Excellent prospect, not a sure thing.

[165bows]

Yeah, I think you're right, it's posturing.

They already have Fox and Castle.

If Fox gets an extension then that will make it even harder for Harper to get minutes.

And even if the Spurs pick Harper, at some point they will have to let one go, among the 3 PGs they have.

Right the whole thing depends on Harper being this elite PG prospect. If he was there is zero issue, just pick him, put Castle to the bench and trade Castle when the time comes. They wouldn't even need to think about trading that pick.

There are just way too many people assuming Harper is that guy when it isn't super clear imo, the guy he really reminds me of is D'Angelo Russell.

So the question was what if he is the next Cade Cunningham? Ok great so he would completely suck for three years and then still be a solidly negative efficiency scorer when Tatum is in his 30s? Brad might trade Jaylen but he's looking for an absolute mother load - you know he had discussions with Orlando about White that would have brought more back than what Bane got. He's not taking Barnes, Vassell and Nesmith 2.0 for Jaylen Brown he might as well go back to his plans of being a pharmacist for goodness sake.

Cade didn't suck for 3 years. He was good and he would have been better but he was on a dumpster fire of a team, had some of the worst teammates and worst coaching in NBA history, with some of the worst spacing the league has seen in recent years.

Yes he did. He produced the 6th most inefficient individual offense in the league when he was a rookie and has only somewhat improved, and he's still not close to there yet. Celtics have no one like that because you can win 40 regular season games and look like you have potential like that but not compete for a title.

[165bows]

Common sense. Hal, every year you fall in love with college players like they are a sure thing. A few years ago you were in love with Jordan Walsh. Walsh will be lucky if he is on the team next year. You don't trade players like Tatum, Brown, White for swings at the fence. Not when you are one year removed from a championship. Thank goodness Brad Stevens has more sense than posters in this forum.

Right there are two types of Jaylen trades that make sense. The first is the Giannis/Jokic elite superstar who's coming upon an expiring deal and is potentially disgruntled and looking for a winner.

Punting on that option for an unproven rookie who almost certainly won't be a positive contributor at the level of a top-2 or 3 guy on a championship team doesn't make sense. If the prospect is that sure-fire elite, eg Flagg etc, he's not going to be available for Brown. The cost of that trade is taking on the big risk that the rookie isn't that good and if they are wrong it's crippling.

The other option is finding an elite guy near the top of the draft that doesn't cost the same as a 1-2 pick (much like how they got Tatum and an extra first with him). And that has to be a top-10 pick they are super certain about hitting - then on top of that a young guy that they expect to break out (ie, a young JDub, not Devin Vassell), and a whole crap ton of ancillary assets on top of it.

Anything else makes no sense.

To me the first scenario makes sense, the second scenario does not. I think Jaylen Brown will definitely be in Boston the next two years and then if things don't work out Brown will be part of a package for scenario 1. The same goes for Derrick White. Too early to rebuild. I think the Tatum, Brown and White core has a two year window before the Celtics break things up.

For sure, and imo the first scenario is by far their first option. The second option is way way riskier and biggest issue is it precludes the first option.

Imo the clear FO preference is option 1 >>>>>> stand pat with JB >>>>>>> option 2. But option 2 has to look something like the Nets trade but faster.

[RickyDizzle]

The same **** thing that happened this year. Delusions of grandeur are running rampant around here.

You're aware this team won the title last year? Healthy our existing roster is clearly better than Indiana, is it not?

I don't want to keep repeating it so I implore people to keep up with the thread.

The same team won the title last year and this year got dominated by the Knicks.

And next year they'll be two years older then the team who won the title and without 3 of their starters.

Some of you seriously truly don't understand that spot we're in.

Eh counting on Porzingis is risky, but if he was healthier, Tatum didn't get hurt, and Brown was 100%... We'd be playing the Thunder right now.

[Celts17Pride]

Right there are two types of Jaylen trades that make sense. The first is the Giannis/Jokic elite superstar who's coming upon an expiring deal and is potentially disgruntled and looking for a winner.

Punting on that option for an unproven rookie who almost certainly won't be a positive contributor at the level of a top-2 or 3 guy on a championship team doesn't make sense. If the prospect is that sure-fire elite, eg Flagg etc, he's not going to be available for Brown. The cost of that trade is taking on the big risk that the rookie isn't that good and if they are wrong it's crippling.

The other option is finding an elite guy near the top of the draft that doesn't cost the same as a 1-2 pick (much like how they got Tatum and an extra first with him). And that has to be a top-10 pick they are super certain about hitting - then on top of that a young guy that they expect to break out (ie, a young JDub, not Devin Vassell), and a whole crap ton of ancillary assets on top of it.

Anything else makes no sense.

To me the first scenario makes sense, the second scenario does not. I think Jaylen Brown will definitely be in Boston the next two years and then if things don't work out Brown will be part of a package for scenario 1. The same goes for Derrick White. Too early to rebuild. I think the Tatum, Brown and White core has a two year window before the Celtics break things up.

For sure, and imo the first scenario is by far their first option. The second option is way way riskier and biggest issue is it precludes the first option.

Imo the clear FO preference is option 1 >>>>>> stand pat with JB >>>>>>> option 2. But option 2 has to look something like the Nets trade but faster.

I think the Celtics are going to keep the Tatum/Brown/White core together for the next two years to see if they can get back to the Finals in year two when Tatum is recovered. If they don't then all bets are off and that includes all of Tatum/Brown/White because that would mean a full rebuild and Tatum is not going to want to be around for that.