What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?
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If we can keep the Giddey-Coby duo for under 60 M AAV I’d be ok with that. I’m concerned that Coby is too limited by size and lack of exceptional verticality to ever be worth a max deal, but he has shown that he wants to get better, and does, plus he is a high character player - and that means something,
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kulaz3000 wrote:MrSparkle wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:
We can’t extend him the offseason for even $20 million. We either trade him or let him become unrestricted.
Well, they have tons of cap-space in 2026. Besides Lonzo’s team option, the only guaranteed salaries are Pat (puke), Jalen (eh), Matas, Phillips and this year’s #12. Presumably Giddey. That’ll still add up to about $80M at most. Bulls will have room for 2 max contracts, or 3 big contracts if Coby is one of them.
Not exactly thrilled with the 2026 class, but until they sign an extension, you do have JJJ, Durant (assuming he opts out and doesn’t resign), Trae, FVV, Ayton, Simons, Wiggins, Porzingis, Mikal, Gafford, A. Gordon... The list will greatly shrink, but you’ll also likely have only 3-5 teams with major cap space, and of those, it’s questionable whether they’ll have a good recruitment angle (Jazz, Wizards, etc.). I expect a lot of movement (however inconsequential), incl. this draft and off-season. The 2nd apron is unsustainable for the damaged Celtics, Suns, Nuggets (on the brink), so teams will have to budge.
Anyway, I think Bulls will realistically want to keep Coby, amongst the options, and hope atleast 1 bigger impact FA is still available for the pitch.
IMO prime Coby’s worth $20M, but I can see AK paying closer to $30M unless he really sh*ts the bed next season. Sure didn’t stop Pat from getting paid, though. I also wouldn’t mind a different direction altogether, but what’s new.
This stuff is all kinda irrelevent. Right now, the most important things are #1 Drafting an extraordinary talent at 12 (or whatever means). #2 Developing Matas into a star. #3 Developing Giddey into a star.
Today, the above 3 things have a remote chance of happening. I think Coby projects well below a star, barre an insane late career jump in efficiency and intangibles.
He may never become an All-Star, unless he is a second or third wheel on a really good team playing alongside a legitimate superstar, but to say that he projects well below a star seems a bit of a stretch. Speaking of stretches, he had played at a star level for a handful of months, even securing a player of the month award last season. Even if he remains inconsistent, and has similar seasons to last seasons, he is a fringe All-Star quality player for the rest of his career, and those players don't grow on trees.
Again, I'm with you, he isn't a star player, but his biggest attribute that prevents really good players from reaching All-Star status is consistency throughout the season and not having long stretches of poor performances, that's many players in the league. With Coby he also needs to be consistent on both ends. As soon as he began to improve on the defensive end, he began to regress there as he became more focused on leading the team is scoring and playing that role.
It's a damn shame that we have such a mess of a roster, because if we had an established star player, he is the type of player you'd be glad to sign at 30 million per season and ride with him as your second or third best player, but with how far off we are in terms of the team building and coming close to acquiring a star, I'm not sure if it's wise to tie him up to a long term contract on a big number, and waste his prime here with the Bulls.
He is a really good player, and he'd look a lot better with higher quality players around him provided he has a defined role. He would have fitted perfectly with the Magic, a defense first team that desperately needed a scorer/shooter like Coby - it's just a shame that he only had one year left on his contract, because as others have mentioned, it just diminishes a players value, unless a team is desperate to acquire him, and are convinced that the year they have him will put them in the best position to resign him.
I just don’t see Coby as a 2nd or 3rd best player. Cam Thomas, Jordan Poole and Norman Powell are comparing very well, at the moment. I’d consider these 4/5 options on a good team, top-2 options on a really bad team.
The catch is that his offense isn’t consistent enough to deal with reliably inconsistent defense, too.
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MGB8 wrote:If we can keep the Giddey-Coby duo for under 60 M AAV I’d be ok with that. I’m concerned that Coby is too limited by size and lack of exceptional verticality to ever be worth a max deal, but he has shown that he wants to get better, and does, plus he is a high character player - and that means something,
Well Jalen Brunson wasn't the player he is now overnight.
I still think Coby is discovering more of himself. In the last portion of the year, he finally discovered how to get to the line. That is a big component of taking the "next step"
Coby is going to get 30. He will potentially get more than that.
Devin Vassell for instance got 29 mil a year. That was 2 years ago. When you consider the cap going up, its equal to a 30 mil contract today. Its just very common now because of the salary cap.
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Red Larrivee wrote:CROBulls wrote:Yes. You still need to get something back in return. Coby's value based on latest trade is multiple firsts. Market set his value. So yes, one instead of 4 is "doesnt really matter what we get".
That's not how it works man.
Look no further than Zach Lavine and Mikal Bridges.
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I still feel that my preference would be to pay Coby $40M because he came out and has a career year next season with better efficiency and average defense. Two off-seasons ago I said that if Coby could just learn to shoot 3's off the dribble, improve his handle, learn to score in the paint, and improve defensively he'd be a star. Since then he has addressed 3 out of 4. Dude is a worker and I root for those guys!

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kulaz3000 wrote:MrSparkle wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:
We can’t extend him the offseason for even $20 million. We either trade him or let him become unrestricted.
Well, they have tons of cap-space in 2026. Besides Lonzo’s team option, the only guaranteed salaries are Pat (puke), Jalen (eh), Matas, Phillips and this year’s #12. Presumably Giddey. That’ll still add up to about $80M at most. Bulls will have room for 2 max contracts, or 3 big contracts if Coby is one of them.
Not exactly thrilled with the 2026 class, but until they sign an extension, you do have JJJ, Durant (assuming he opts out and doesn’t resign), Trae, FVV, Ayton, Simons, Wiggins, Porzingis, Mikal, Gafford, A. Gordon... The list will greatly shrink, but you’ll also likely have only 3-5 teams with major cap space, and of those, it’s questionable whether they’ll have a good recruitment angle (Jazz, Wizards, etc.). I expect a lot of movement (however inconsequential), incl. this draft and off-season. The 2nd apron is unsustainable for the damaged Celtics, Suns, Nuggets (on the brink), so teams will have to budge.
Anyway, I think Bulls will realistically want to keep Coby, amongst the options, and hope atleast 1 bigger impact FA is still available for the pitch.
IMO prime Coby’s worth $20M, but I can see AK paying closer to $30M unless he really sh*ts the bed next season. Sure didn’t stop Pat from getting paid, though. I also wouldn’t mind a different direction altogether, but what’s new.
This stuff is all kinda irrelevent. Right now, the most important things are #1 Drafting an extraordinary talent at 12 (or whatever means). #2 Developing Matas into a star. #3 Developing Giddey into a star.
Today, the above 3 things have a remote chance of happening. I think Coby projects well below a star, barre an insane late career jump in efficiency and intangibles.
He may never become an All-Star, unless he is a second or third wheel on a really good team playing alongside a legitimate superstar, but to say that he projects well below a star seems a bit of a stretch. Speaking of stretches, he had played at a star level for a handful of months, even securing a player of the month award last season. Even if he remains inconsistent, and has similar seasons to last seasons, he is a fringe All-Star quality player for the rest of his career, and those players don't grow on trees.
Again, I'm with you, he isn't a star player, but his biggest attribute that prevents really good players from reaching All-Star status is consistency throughout the season and not having long stretches of poor performances, that's many players in the league. With Coby he also needs to be consistent on both ends. As soon as he began to improve on the defensive end, he began to regress there as he became more focused on leading the team is scoring and playing that role.
It's a damn shame that we have such a mess of a roster, because if we had an established star player, he is the type of player you'd be glad to sign at 30 million per season and ride with him as your second or third best player, but with how far off we are in terms of the team building and coming close to acquiring a star, I'm not sure if it's wise to tie him up to a long term contract on a big number, and waste his prime here with the Bulls.
He is a really good player, and he'd look a lot better with higher quality players around him provided he has a defined role. He would have fitted perfectly with the Magic, a defense first team that desperately needed a scorer/shooter like Coby - it's just a shame that he only had one year left on his contract, because as others have mentioned, it just diminishes a players value, unless a team is desperate to acquire him, and are convinced that the year they have him will put them in the best position to resign him.
I think Buzelis is gonna be a star. I can’t say he will be a championship contender first option type star, but I do believe he will be a legit all-star. I think Giddey will continue be triple down threat and maybe more than if his shooting and defense continues to improve. Coby needs to improve on defense because scoring is all he does at really high level right now. I’d be fine giving him $30 million especially if we can lock up Giddey for $25 million or so. $55 million for that backcourt isn’t too bad. We don’t have to pay anyone else for a while.
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DASMACKDOWN wrote:MGB8 wrote:If we can keep the Giddey-Coby duo for under 60 M AAV I’d be ok with that. I’m concerned that Coby is too limited by size and lack of exceptional verticality to ever be worth a max deal, but he has shown that he wants to get better, and does, plus he is a high character player - and that means something,
Well Jalen Brunson wasn't the player he is now overnight.
I still think Coby is discovering more of himself. In the last portion of the year, he finally discovered how to get to the line. That is a big component of taking the "next step"
Coby is going to get 30. He will potentially get more than that.
Devin Vassell for instance got 29 mil a year. That was 2 years ago. When you consider the cap going up, its equal to a 30 mil contract today. Its just very common now because of the salary cap.
He was a very old rookie, but for the record, Jalen had a huge plus-rating by his 2nd season, and had borderline all-star numbers in post-season. 2 years in the league. He led the Luka-injured Mavs to some wins as the primary option.
6Y in, Coby still registers in the negatives for on/off… had putrid numbers in his 3rd season playoff debut… and also laid an egg in the last play-in game (5/20 with 7 TOs).
That’s why I say… sure, players improve and Coby’s still young, but after 6Y, like Zach… you should know the limitations of your player. Coby isn’t helping your team when he isn’t making shots. That’s just a hard player to pay big salary and build around. Granted, Zach was a 2x star, but he was also better by year 4, coming off an ACL tear. Coby does somethings better (overall a better system player, better at sharing and moving the ball), but I also don’t expect him to ever be as good as peak Zach.
I just think $30M+ is gonna be a mistake. But oh well. We’ll see. If the Bulls do commit to getting a lot of 3P shooters and athletic forwards/bigs, at the very least the analytics formula would be in their favor. We’re just far from that until we get a freak rim protector, and atleast 2 more 3P snipers emerge.
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DASMACKDOWN wrote:MGB8 wrote:If we can keep the Giddey-Coby duo for under 60 M AAV I’d be ok with that. I’m concerned that Coby is too limited by size and lack of exceptional verticality to ever be worth a max deal, but he has shown that he wants to get better, and does, plus he is a high character player - and that means something,
Well Jalen Brunson wasn't the player he is now overnight.
I still think Coby is discovering more of himself. In the last portion of the year, he finally discovered how to get to the line. That is a big component of taking the "next step"
Coby is going to get 30. He will potentially get more than that.
Devin Vassell for instance got 29 mil a year. That was 2 years ago. When you consider the cap going up, its equal to a 30 mil contract today. Its just very common now because of the salary cap.
Devin Vassell plays D and was overpaid because San Antonio was tanking. The fact that SA handed out an overpriced contract in one case doesn’t mean it is appropriate in another.
If it is over 30 that will be needed - which absolutely no one knows except him and his agent, and that will be shaped by circumstances at the time - I would trade Coby absent some sign that shows a lot more than what he has already shown. Based on the defensive limitations and variability / unreliability in the playoffs right now, even 25-30 is a risk, more than that is too big a risk, IMO.
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MrSparkle wrote:DASMACKDOWN wrote:MGB8 wrote:If we can keep the Giddey-Coby duo for under 60 M AAV I’d be ok with that. I’m concerned that Coby is too limited by size and lack of exceptional verticality to ever be worth a max deal, but he has shown that he wants to get better, and does, plus he is a high character player - and that means something,
Well Jalen Brunson wasn't the player he is now overnight.
I still think Coby is discovering more of himself. In the last portion of the year, he finally discovered how to get to the line. That is a big component of taking the "next step"
Coby is going to get 30. He will potentially get more than that.
Devin Vassell for instance got 29 mil a year. That was 2 years ago. When you consider the cap going up, its equal to a 30 mil contract today. Its just very common now because of the salary cap.
He was a very old rookie, but for the record, Jalen had a huge plus-rating by his 2nd season, and had borderline all-star numbers in post-season. 2 years in the league. He led the Luka-injured Mavs to some wins as the primary option.
6Y in, Coby still registers in the negatives for on/off… had putrid numbers in his 3rd season playoff debut… and also laid an egg in the last play-in game (5/20 with 7 TOs).
That’s why I say… sure, players improve and Coby’s still young, but after 6Y, like Zach… you should know the limitations of your player. Coby isn’t helping your team when he isn’t making shots. That’s just a hard player to pay big salary and build around. Granted, Zach was a 2x star, but he was also better by year 4, coming off an ACL tear. Coby does somethings better (overall a better system player, better at sharing and moving the ball), but I also don’t expect him to ever be as good as peak Zach.
I just think $30M+ is gonna be a mistake. But oh well. We’ll see. If the Bulls do commit to getting a lot of 3P shooters and athletic forwards/bigs, at the very least the analytics formula would be in their favor. We’re just far from that until we get a freak rim protector, and atleast 2 more 3P snipers emerge.
Paired with Giddey, I’d be willing to go up to 30 on Coby to a combined 60. Coby has shown enough progress and drive to be willing to gamble a bit on re additional development. However, I agree with you here more than I disagree.
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MrSparkle wrote:DASMACKDOWN wrote:MGB8 wrote:If we can keep the Giddey-Coby duo for under 60 M AAV I’d be ok with that. I’m concerned that Coby is too limited by size and lack of exceptional verticality to ever be worth a max deal, but he has shown that he wants to get better, and does, plus he is a high character player - and that means something,
Well Jalen Brunson wasn't the player he is now overnight.
I still think Coby is discovering more of himself. In the last portion of the year, he finally discovered how to get to the line. That is a big component of taking the "next step"
Coby is going to get 30. He will potentially get more than that.
Devin Vassell for instance got 29 mil a year. That was 2 years ago. When you consider the cap going up, its equal to a 30 mil contract today. Its just very common now because of the salary cap.
He was a very old rookie, but for the record, Jalen had a huge plus-rating by his 2nd season, and had borderline all-star numbers in post-season. 2 years in the league. He led the Luka-injured Mavs to some wins as the primary option.
6Y in, Coby still registers in the negatives for on/off… had putrid numbers in his 3rd season playoff debut… and also laid an egg in the last play-in game (5/20 with 7 TOs).
That’s why I say… sure, players improve and Coby’s still young, but after 6Y, like Zach… you should know the limitations of your player. Coby isn’t helping your team when he isn’t making shots. That’s just a hard player to pay big salary and build around. Granted, Zach was a 2x star, but he was also better by year 4, coming off an ACL tear. Coby does somethings better (overall a better system player, better at sharing and moving the ball), but I also don’t expect him to ever be as good as peak Zach.
I just think $30M+ is gonna be a mistake. But oh well. We’ll see. If the Bulls do commit to getting a lot of 3P shooters and athletic forwards/bigs, at the very least the analytics formula would be in their favor. We’re just far from that until we get a freak rim protector, and atleast 2 more 3P snipers emerge.
I will note that there probably isn't much of a gap defensively between Coby and Zach or Brunson. Brunson gave NY a huge gift in taking a below-market deal to give them flexibility to add to the roster. Zach is making almost $50M/yr. Paying Coby $30M for performance like we saw to end the season doesn't feel bad; however, I'm skeptical he'll really give us that level of play for a full season (which should lower his price tag).

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Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
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League Circles wrote:Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
Fair point. I think that until we have a true #1 option, building the team will seem like a bunch of lose/lose situation. Building a winner need's that guy to give context in terms of need. Maybe we'll luck out and Matas becomes that guy, but that seems ambitious.

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League Circles wrote:Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
What if he gets overpaid, but plateaus or even regresses? It’ll be his contract year, so he’ll be motivated to defend and train harder.
We already have 1 albatross deal in Patrick. Not sure if they can dump him. Rewarding inconsistent players has ramifications. Before you know it, we’ll have $50M locked long on 2 guys who can’t win a play-in game.
Of course, maybe Coby keeps improving… but I’d stop and pause, ask why? His numbers don’t show a pattern of huge improvement. He got out the NBA gutter, and made slow marginal upgrades before hitting another wall. He should be paid like Nesmith or Hart, not like Haliburton or Brunson. But unfortunately the Bulls have put him in position to be a 25 ppg scorer (on a sub-500 team with a very good passer, who finds easy looks for guys).
Just a recipe for bad contracts and zero playoff success, if you ask me. I’d like Coby to entertain that $18M “max” extension. It he says no, I’d be shopping deadline or at worst, S&Ts.
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sco wrote:League Circles wrote:Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
Fair point. I think that until we have a true #1 option, building the team will seem like a bunch of lose/lose situation. Building a winner need's that guy to give context in terms of need. Maybe we'll luck out and Matas becomes that guy, but that seems ambitious.
Yeah, I'm not planning on the Bulls getting a true #1 so to speak. My hope is that we have 2-4 guys who can reliably get their own effective good shot when needed. I think Coby and Matas can be among those guys, but we'll probably need another 1 or 2. Maybe we can draft one at #12, and then find some way via trade or FA to get another within the next year or two. I don't think we need the ball dominance of a "true #1", but we do need the skillset for sure.
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League Circles wrote:sco wrote:League Circles wrote:Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
Fair point. I think that until we have a true #1 option, building the team will seem like a bunch of lose/lose situation. Building a winner need's that guy to give context in terms of need. Maybe we'll luck out and Matas becomes that guy, but that seems ambitious.
Yeah, I'm not planning on the Bulls getting a true #1 so to speak. My hope is that we have 2-4 guys who can reliably get their own effective good shot when needed. I think Coby and Matas can be among those guys, but we'll probably need another 1 or 2. Maybe we can draft one at #12, and then find some way via trade or FA to get another within the next year or two. I don't think we need the ball dominance of a "true #1", but we do need the skillset for sure.
And getting a true #1 option is something teams luck into for the most part. I agree that the best this team can do is to "guess" what that guy will bring and build a team that is otherwise ready, but that team just won't get too far in the playoffs.

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MrSparkle wrote:League Circles wrote:Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
What if he gets overpaid, but plateaus or even regresses? It’ll be his contract year, so he’ll be motivated to defend and train harder.
We already have 1 albatross deal in Patrick. Not sure if they can dump him. Rewarding inconsistent players has ramifications. Before you know it, we’ll have $50M locked long on 2 guys who can’t win a play-in game.
Of course, maybe Coby keeps improving… but I’d stop and pause, ask why? His numbers don’t show a pattern of huge improvement. He got out the gutter, and makes slow marginal upgrades before hitting another wall. He should be paid like Nesmith or Hart, not like Haliburton or Brunson.
I don't particularly expect a lot of further improvement, but he has consistently made strides in shooting efficiency to the point where there were only 12 guys in the whole league last year who scored more ppg than Coby and also had a higher eFG%. If I could easily find TS% instead I'd use that, but either way, considering the season as a whole, not cherry picking the latter part of the season, Coby White was a pretty high level scorer last year. He also fouled less than ever before.
Coby IMO has been a very hard worker for a few years now, so I'm not concerned that he'll turn it on only for a contract year. I don't think anyone expects that he will or should get paid like Haliburton at over 40 mil a year.
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Re: What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?
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Re: What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?
League Circles wrote:MrSparkle wrote:League Circles wrote:Coby seems like a lose lose for the Bulls in a sense. If we keep him, he is likely to be overpaid. If we lose him we lose a very notable talent who has no glaring liabilities in his game IMO, can play both guard spots and has noteworthy leadership and effort characteristics. He's definitely not great at anything, but he has a very good floor as a starting guard IMO. If he gets hot he could help a team win a string of playoff games. Only way I trade him this summer is for an outright better player who is still under like 28 years of age, in a package for a legit superstar under like 33 years old, or for a top 5 pick in the draft this summer. Otherwise I'd keep him and hope for the best.
What if he gets overpaid, but plateaus or even regresses? It’ll be his contract year, so he’ll be motivated to defend and train harder.
We already have 1 albatross deal in Patrick. Not sure if they can dump him. Rewarding inconsistent players has ramifications. Before you know it, we’ll have $50M locked long on 2 guys who can’t win a play-in game.
Of course, maybe Coby keeps improving… but I’d stop and pause, ask why? His numbers don’t show a pattern of huge improvement. He got out the gutter, and makes slow marginal upgrades before hitting another wall. He should be paid like Nesmith or Hart, not like Haliburton or Brunson.
I don't particularly expect a lot of further improvement, but he has consistently made strides in shooting efficiency to the point where there were only 12 guys in the whole league last year who scored more ppg than Coby and also had a higher eFG%. If I could easily find TS% instead I'd use that, but either way, considering the season as a whole, not cherry picking the latter part of the season, Coby White was a pretty high level scorer last year. He also fouled less than ever before.
Coby IMO has been a very hard worker for a few years now, so I'm not concerned that he'll turn it on only for a contract year. I don't think anyone expects that he will or should get paid like Haliburton at over 40 mil a year.
Well… if he averages 25 PPG this season, which he’s in position to do, it’ll be hard for the Bulls not to pay him $40M.
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Re: What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?
MrSparkle wrote:League Circles wrote:MrSparkle wrote:
What if he gets overpaid, but plateaus or even regresses? It’ll be his contract year, so he’ll be motivated to defend and train harder.
We already have 1 albatross deal in Patrick. Not sure if they can dump him. Rewarding inconsistent players has ramifications. Before you know it, we’ll have $50M locked long on 2 guys who can’t win a play-in game.
Of course, maybe Coby keeps improving… but I’d stop and pause, ask why? His numbers don’t show a pattern of huge improvement. He got out the gutter, and makes slow marginal upgrades before hitting another wall. He should be paid like Nesmith or Hart, not like Haliburton or Brunson.
I don't particularly expect a lot of further improvement, but he has consistently made strides in shooting efficiency to the point where there were only 12 guys in the whole league last year who scored more ppg than Coby and also had a higher eFG%. If I could easily find TS% instead I'd use that, but either way, considering the season as a whole, not cherry picking the latter part of the season, Coby White was a pretty high level scorer last year. He also fouled less than ever before.
Coby IMO has been a very hard worker for a few years now, so I'm not concerned that he'll turn it on only for a contract year. I don't think anyone expects that he will or should get paid like Haliburton at over 40 mil a year.
Well… if he averages 25 PPG this season, which he’s in position to do, it’ll be hard for the Bulls not to pay him $40M.
I think that's very unlikely. That would be a 25% increase on his scoring, and I don't expect his minutes, shots or efficiency to go up. If he does, 40 mil would suck but I'd probably try to do it if another team looked like a threat to sign him.
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Re: What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?
League Circles wrote:MrSparkle wrote:League Circles wrote:
I don't particularly expect a lot of further improvement, but he has consistently made strides in shooting efficiency to the point where there were only 12 guys in the whole league last year who scored more ppg than Coby and also had a higher eFG%. If I could easily find TS% instead I'd use that, but either way, considering the season as a whole, not cherry picking the latter part of the season, Coby White was a pretty high level scorer last year. He also fouled less than ever before.
Coby IMO has been a very hard worker for a few years now, so I'm not concerned that he'll turn it on only for a contract year. I don't think anyone expects that he will or should get paid like Haliburton at over 40 mil a year.
Well… if he averages 25 PPG this season, which he’s in position to do, it’ll be hard for the Bulls not to pay him $40M.
I think that's very unlikely. That would be a 25% increase on his scoring, and I don't expect his minutes, shots or efficiency to go up. If he does, 40 mil would suck but I'd probably try to do it if another team looked like a threat to sign him.
He probably won’t sustain it for a season, but wasn’t he pretty close to 25 PPG post-Zach trade? It wouldn’t shock me if he does it, even if it’s not overwhelmingly likely.
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Re: What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?
jnrjr79 wrote:League Circles wrote:MrSparkle wrote:
Well… if he averages 25 PPG this season, which he’s in position to do, it’ll be hard for the Bulls not to pay him $40M.
I think that's very unlikely. That would be a 25% increase on his scoring, and I don't expect his minutes, shots or efficiency to go up. If he does, 40 mil would suck but I'd probably try to do it if another team looked like a threat to sign him.
He probably won’t sustain it for a season, but wasn’t he pretty close to 25 PPG post-Zach trade? It wouldn’t shock me if he does it, even if it’s not overwhelmingly likely.
He was at 24.5 ppg post all star break, but on an unsustainable. 634 TS%. If he is well over 600 for a full season he'd be worth 40 mil IMO. That's just elite scoring.
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