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2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#961 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:51 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:We need to get Fox is he does become available, maybe they would like Herros fit next to Wemby and all their PGs

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Fox is not realistic. Too much went into Fox getting him to San Antonio.


Probably, but they didn’t plan on having 2 potentially elite cost controlled PGs in Harper and Castle to build with Wemby. They may want all the reps for their young guys to grow. Never know


It's def not an optimized fit to have 3 guards that are each best suited to have ball in hands running point and subpar 3pt shooters. But damn its a talented group.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#962 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:52 pm

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Health permitting he could average 20+ efficiently into his 40s and if we don’t have him deferring to a much lesser player in Herro I think he’s give us a highly efficient 25 a night for the first 2 years at least


Imagine him not surrounded by terrible defenders and with an actual frontcourt doing dirty work
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#963 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:53 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Jaylen Brown to Houston does make a lot of sense. Udoka and Brown are very close. He’ll be banging the table for him once he becomes available.


I’m not sure what the hold up is at this point. Spurs and Houston should clearly be holding out for younger stars, Minny is now reportedly not willing to offer much until they get commitment from KD who is reportedly not interested in Minny. If ALL things are true it’s literally just us, what’s the hold up?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#964 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:54 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:We need to get Fox is he does become available, maybe they would like Herros fit next to Wemby and all their PGs

Fox
3&D signing/trade
KD
Bam
Ware

Fox is not realistic. Too much went into Fox getting him to San Antonio.


Probably, but they didn’t plan on having 2 potentially elite cost controlled PGs in Harper and Castle to build with Wemby. They may want all the reps for their young guys to grow. Never know

Nah they are going to make it work or something is going to happen with Harper well before Fox. You don’t want to phuck with Klutch.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#965 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:56 pm

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Health permitting he could average 20+ efficiently into his 40s and if we don’t have him deferring to a much lesser player in Herro I think he’s give us a highly efficient 25 a night for the first 2 years at least


Imagine him not surrounded by terrible defenders and with an actual frontcourt doing dirty work


Versatile 7 footer funneling his man into the best defender in the world and another 7 footer in Ware all game with his only real responsibility being to get buckets and finding the open man/mismatch that he creates when having the ball in his hands, I’ll take it.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#966 » by EMC5466 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:57 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#967 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:58 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Jaylen Brown to Houston does make a lot of sense. Udoka and Brown are very close. He’ll be banging the table for him once he becomes available.


I’m not sure what the hold up is at this point. Spurs and Houston should clearly be holding out for younger stars, Minny is now reportedly not willing to offer much until they get commitment from KD who is reportedly not interested in Minny. If ALL things are true it’s literally just us, what’s the hold up?

The hold up is the Suns feel entitled to more and are hoping somebody blinks right before the draft
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#968 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:02 pm

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Trading our pick for DeRozan would be a disaster class unless they are giving us a pick in 2027 and take Rozier. They just so happen to have two picks in 2027. If they give us the SAS pick in 2027 for the 20th pick it frees up the Stepien rule for the Hornets pick.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#969 » by carnageta » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:03 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Jaylen Brown to Houston does make a lot of sense. Udoka and Brown are very close. He’ll be banging the table for him once he becomes available.


I’m not sure what the hold up is at this point. Spurs and Houston should clearly be holding out for younger stars, Minny is now reportedly not willing to offer much until they get commitment from KD who is reportedly not interested in Minny. If ALL things are true it’s literally just us, what’s the hold up?


The holdup is on the Suns. They have numerous offers on the table from different teams and they're not 'compelled' with either of them.

It's now all just about who will 'fold' first. The Suns can afford to drag this out for at least another 7 days (up until the NBA draft). They're hoping one of the interested teams gets more desperate in that time frame and offers a bigger load. If no team does that, they will probably just take the best available offer.

My guess is this circus continues up until at least Jun 24th (unless an interested team folds and offers a greater package).
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#970 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:14 pm

If we trade for a 2027 pick we would still have access to 3 1st rd picks to trade. 2026 becomes tradeable before draft, 2030, and 2032. 27-28 Hornets roll over is the problem. We can trade 2029 but it has to have rollover protections to 2030 in case we don’t pay out in 2027
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Post#971 » by Shewasfly » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:15 pm

Really have to hope that the reports aren't accurate and the FO is willing to blow it up before going the Derozan route. He is the definition of a poor man's Jimmy Butler. They look silly making all that fuss about paying Jimmy only to turn around and go after Derozan. It's D-Wade all over again.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#972 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:18 pm

If getting off of Rozier means bringing in DeRozan and swapping out 1st rd picks i can be sold on that. Basically getting him for free at that point and opens up future flexibility.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#973 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:33 pm

I’m with Greg on Derozan. I’ll take him as a follow up to getting a star if we’re basically just swapping out his contract for Terrys and I would prefer he take a bench role. He could win 6MOY off the bench torching 2nd units and he brings an element we miss that Jimmy brought in getting to the free throw line at an insane rate. I want talent on the roster. Derozan is a professional bucket getter and a solid playmaker, perfect for a bench role at his age.

Good thing is we can explore several other avenues before going that route considering teams likely aren’t beating down the Kings door for Derozan
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#974 » by Vertical Limit » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:35 pm

I expect Durant to go to some other team. I dont think it will be us.

After he falls through, if there is not a top 10 player available, with our limited assets i doubt there is, we should not try to make any further desperate moves just to make a move. Stay as is and focus on clearing the cap for 2026.

Buyout rozier
Find expirings for Wiggins and Andersen, offer a pick swap if that closes the deal to get rid of Wiggins.
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Offer Davion his QO
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#975 » by Shewasfly » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:45 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:If getting off of Rozier means bringing in DeRozan and swapping out 1st rd picks i can be sold on that. Basically getting him for free at that point and opens up future flexibility.

OK this I could see. I thought the conversation was trading real assets for him.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#976 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:58 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:I expect Durant to go to some other team. I dont think it will be us.

After he falls through, if there is not a top 10 player available, with our limited assets i doubt there is, we should not try to make any further desperate moves just to make a move. Stay as is and focus on clearing the cap for 2026.

Buyout rozier
Find expirings for Wiggins and Andersen, offer a pick swap if that closes the deal to get rid of Wiggins.
Do not extend Jovic, Kevin Love, Highsmith or Herro
Offer Davion his QO
Release Robinson


I agree that there is zero reason to get desperate at the expense of future optionality if KD for the right price doesn't happen.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#977 » by CrossOver » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:00 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#978 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:03 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#979 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:13 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’m with Greg on Derozan. I’ll take him as a follow up to getting a star if we’re basically just swapping out his contract for Terrys and I would prefer he take a bench role. He could win 6MOY off the bench torching 2nd units and he brings an element we miss that Jimmy brought in getting to the free throw line at an insane rate. I want talent on the roster. Derozan is a professional bucket getter and a solid playmaker, perfect for a bench role at his age.

Good thing is we can explore several other avenues before going that route considering teams likely aren’t beating down the Kings door for Derozan


Yup, Derozan is a player that is at his best with the ball in his hands. The issue is, he's not quite a good enough star for your team to be great if he's your main lead offensive guy and he's not a great off-ball finisher since he's not a real 3pt shooter. But, allowing him to run the bench unit and produce as an off-the-bench offensive creator can really add a ton of value.

Lowkey, Derozan has been one of the better PnR ballhandlers in the NBA the past few seasons.

Per the numbers, last season Derozan had the 6th best points per possession of any PnR ballhandler with 3 or more such possessions per game. Out of the top 10, he had the 2nd lowest turnover frequency.

In 2023-2024, Derozan had the 8th best PPP of any PnR ballhandler with 3 or more such possessions per game. Out of the top 10, he had the lowest turnover frequency. He actually had the 3rd most of such possessions per game out of the top 10.

In 2022-2023, Derozan again ahd the 8th best PPP of any PnR ballhandler with 3 or more such possessions per game. Out of the top 10, he had the 2nd lowest turnover frequency. He had the 3rd most of such possessions per game out of the top 10.

If Miami gets lucky and can add both KD and Derozan, the offense will have to be more of a playmaking by committee approach. Tyler continuing to develop in that capacity, Davion Mitchell providing what he did over the back half of the season, and adding Derozan (and ideally a vet min savant like CP to the mix) can really plug a ton of the holes in last season's offense while juicing up play finishing off that playmaking with the best mismatch shooter the NBA has ever season, further development of Ware (already top 10 in NBA in dunks last season in limited minutes), and Bam more free to be a play finisher.

May be dreaming a bit here, but I like the construct.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#980 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:14 pm

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Gambo gonna be pissed that other team's reporters are mucking up his work.

Still think getting the Nets in the mix for a Miami offer could work really well.

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