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Re: BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap) 

Post#1001 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:52 pm

Knightro wrote:Phoenix only won 36 games with Booker playing 75 games.

And now they're moving off Durant's 27-6-4 on a .642 true shooting for an obviously lesser return.

It's highly unlikely to me that they're *better* than they were last year and could easily be worse.

To me ... Depends on the talent and the fit of the pieces they get. They say they are in win now mode ... So I wouldn't be surprised either if they surpassed last year. Lol .. they proved that just throwing a bunch of A+ talent doesn't guarantee anything. Sum of the talent and fit could trump the singular talent of of KD.

If they were to get gobert donte and a pick... That could change a lot for them. Beal can grow again on the offensive end. So... We never know.

But. What we paid for is opening up a 4 year window of possible success. Something that a rookie in next year's draft won't be able to provide.... Even as a lotto pick.

It's a win-win.... Memphis gets more chances at rebuilding ... Or retooling.... We take a step forward. 2 different situations ... Two different needs. Can't wait to see how we can fit this roster together.
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Post#1002 » by Skybox » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:01 pm

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Knightro wrote:Phoenix only won 36 games with Booker playing 75 games.

And now they're moving off Durant's 27-6-4 on a .642 true shooting for an obviously lesser return.

It's highly unlikely to me that they're *better* than they were last year and could easily be worse.

To me ... Depends on the talent and the fit of the pieces they get. They say they are in win now mode ... So I wouldn't be surprised either if they surpassed last year. Lol .. they proved that just throwing a bunch of A+ talent doesn't guarantee anything. Sum of the talent and fit could trump the singular talent of of KD.

If they were to get gobert donte and a pick... That could change a lot for them. Beal can grow again on the offensive end. So... We never know.

But. What we paid for is opening up a 4 year window of possible success. Something that a rookie in next year's draft won't be able to provide.... Even as a lotto pick.

It's a win-win.... Memphis gets more chances at rebuilding ... Or retooling.... We take a step forward. 2 different situations ... Two different needs. Can't wait to see how we can fit this roster together.


Good observation...also kind of funny because the results of the Durant trade might be what ultimately sways public opinion about who "wins" the Bane trade. That PHX swap is the biggest asset ORL gave up, barring unforeseeable and very likely mishaps...that alone is why I'm good with it regardless. Look forward!
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Post#1003 » by Cammo101 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:05 pm

I've been through the range of emotions on this trade. Like most, when I first read it, the 4 unprotected picks made me knee-jerk hate the trade. But, the more I've thought about the context of those picks and how they fit into this team and it's current plans, and the more I've watched of Bane, the better I feel about this trade.

Selfishly, I wanted Trae Young, who is a bigger star and better fills our biggest need, but as someone who has been begging for a move like this for over a year, I'm not going to squabble over the exacts. The important thing here is the Magic are finally pushing their chips into the middle of the table.
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Post#1004 » by fateis007 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:30 pm

jonbob17 wrote:I heard someone say that if KCP was a free agent he would be looking at the MLE, or $14M, if true basically he would be overpaid by about $18M the next two years. Which a lot of overpayment for a guy at his best is the 5th best starter. The also suggested the price for moving off that money would be a first round pick. Cole has negative value too, no way is he worth $13M a year, but he's only got a year left. so say that the price for moving those guys was a first and a second, just to get off their contracts.

If you look at it like that its more like three firsts....That Phoenix swap is still plenty valuable, as is pick 16 this year. But if you assign values say 16, 10, and 24...thats a lot more palatable.

Personally i think KCP bounces back, and if we are really looking at it KCP made 0.1 less threes per game this year than he did with denver the prior. Last year the Magic identified KCP as the guy they wanted and the paid a price Denver wasnt willing to match, and it was higher than the market rate, and since they are flipping him they gotta pay for that convenience.

The transition to this new CBA environment nobody has any capspace and the new rules around trading make it difficult even to trade guys into space, so there is a premium that will be paid for getting off bad money...and should be a a pretty big warning to teams about overpaying for guys...especially older guys that could decline quickly.


I think a lot of us expected KCP to level up, having a bigger role here and having championship pedigree. 13-15ppg on good efficiency. No one expected him to actually be a shell of himself, not being able to shoot anymore and having absolutely no ability to create his own offense. Pretty sad actually, considering his pay and that was our only major move.

He is the type of player that needs a point guard or superstar like jokic or bron I guess.

I didn't even realize he had no drive game at all. It's one thing if you can draw a defender and then drive, but he literally had to pass out every time.
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Re: BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap) 

Post#1005 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:31 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I've been through the range of emotions on this trade. Like most, when I first read it, the 4 unprotected picks made me knee-jerk hate the trade. But, the more I've thought about the context of those picks and how they fit into this team and it's current plans, and the more I've watched of Bane, the better I feel about this trade.

Selfishly, I wanted Trae Young, who is a bigger star and better fills our biggest need, but as someone who has been begging for a move like this for over a year, I'm not going to squabble over the exacts. The important thing here is the Magic are finally pushing their chips into the middle of the table.


For better or worse, the Magic very obviously did not want to cash in a bunch of chips on someone in who was going to dominate the basketball.

They likely could have traded for Trae Young or LaMelo Ball or Ja Morant and they likely could have gotten any one of those guys for less overall that they paid for Desmond Bane frankly.

But Bane checked all the boxes they were looking for.

1. He's a great shooter in every aspect of shooting.

Bane is not just good, but legitimately great at shooting the basketball. He can shoot off the catch. He can shoot off movement. He can shoot off the dribble. Outside of Curry - who is obviously one of the best players to ever play the sport - there aren't many guys in the league right now who are as versatile when it comes to shooting than Desmond Bane. He's legit good at everything when it comes to shooting. For a team that was the worst perimeter shooting team in the NBA, adding one of the very best high volume, high accuracy and most versatile perimeter shooters in the league was critical.

2. He has more than enough playmaking to not be one dimensional.

There are a lot of other great shooters in the NBA - guys like Luke Kennard, Grayson Allen, Duncan Robinson, Sam Merrill, Buddy Hield, Isaiah Joe and Klay Thompson among others - these are all guys who can shoot off movement or shoot off the catch at even higher accuracy than Bane does, but once you ask them to start putting the ball on the floor and attacking closeouts or handling the ball in semi transition as a secondary playmaker, or god forbid actually initiating a pick and roll as the primary ball handler, their effectiveness goes down drastically. And once they have dribbled, none of those guys are on the same planet as Bane in terms of being able to make reads and passes. Bane can attack the rim off the bounce. He can get to a floater. And best of all, he can make higher than basic passing reads when he has a live dribble. Most guys who are great shooters just can't do the extra stuff once they have to dribble. Bane can and does. He's NOT a point guard, don't get that twisted, but he's a very effective secondary playmaking shooting guard.

3. He is also a guy who has thrived next to an extremely high usage first option.

This one wasn't quite as important to me as it was the Magic, but Bane has shown the ability to scale up when called upon (when Morant has been out), while also showing the ability to scale down into a more clear cut 23-25 USG% 2nd/3rd option offensively role next to a higher usage guy. I think that is something that really also appealed to the Magic. Paolo is going nowhere. Franz is going nowhere. I don't anticipate their usage rates declining significantly either. So having Bane, who is good enough to scale up when one of them is on the bench or *knock on wood* out injured, but also efficient enough to scale down when they're all on the floor together is something they probably wouldn't have gotten with a ball dominant point guard.
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Post#1006 » by tooler » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:47 pm

I'm still not thrilled about the cost, but the one thing I have to admit is the Magic "won" the Bulls trade and they were still a first round exit team. The organization absolutely cannot draft outside of the lottery, and that's unlikely to bring them a championship anyway, as some of our negative posters know well. This also keeps Paolo happy for a few years, and there's still plenty of time to fire the coach and front office if things don't go well.
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Post#1007 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:01 pm

It’s Wednesday already and I’m still super excited about this trade. We are not messing around anymore, it’s serious time now!
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Post#1008 » by zaymon » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:22 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:It’s Wednesday already and I’m still super excited about this trade. We are not messing around anymore, it’s serious time now!


Beginning of next year will be weird. Last time we were expected to win i was studying at the university, didnt have a child.
Last two years were different. We knew we had no chance to win it all. Now we are far from favourites but when i hear Cleveland media talking that they fear to face us once again i just smile :)
Regarding late draft success its hard to look good on a team that doesnt have spacing, doesnt have enough playmaking and doesnt have enough structure/hierarchy. Now its more evident than ever. Also we were out jumped in the draft to some really good players like Nembhard or Brunson. I am not sure if the problem was bad scouting or just rejecting to move assets at all costs (which was often bad move in hindsight)
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#1009 » by Jiwol » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:47 pm

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:The East was horrible this season. 4 teams were tanking for Flagg (Wizards, Hornets, Raptors, Nets), 2 good teams were dealing with injuries and internal problems (76ers, Heat), 1 team also had injuries while they were rising (Hawks), and then the Bulls came in late. So, while I think it is great that we got the 7th seed this season, it does not mean if we have horrible injury luck that it will happen again, especially if those injuries are in 2028-2030.


Jesus, kindly stop whining already. Prophecy of doom to the fullest. Out of those 4 picks only one has a chance to become anything substantial and that is next year's pick after all the swaps. And let me say that if I was to send next years - let's say - #8 for Bane, I would. If I was to send one weak pick to dump Cole's and KCP's contracts away, I would.

And please don't act like the 3 picks in the lower part of the draft would change anything in Orlando's team outlook or will help Memphis build a dynasty for crying out loud.

Kindly scroll by if you don’t like what I say. And please don’t use Jesus name in vain, thank you.


It wasn't in vain. It was to show the fairy tale aspect of your musings. Your reservations have as little foundation as beliefs that Jesus existed and has some magical (pun intended) powers.
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Post#1010 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:22 pm

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Jiwol wrote:
Jesus, kindly stop whining already. Prophecy of doom to the fullest. Out of those 4 picks only one has a chance to become anything substantial and that is next year's pick after all the swaps. And let me say that if I was to send next years - let's say - #8 for Bane, I would. If I was to send one weak pick to dump Cole's and KCP's contracts away, I would.

And please don't act like the 3 picks in the lower part of the draft would change anything in Orlando's team outlook or will help Memphis build a dynasty for crying out loud.

Kindly scroll by if you don’t like what I say. And please don’t use Jesus name in vain, thank you.


It wasn't in vain. It was to show the fairy tale aspect of your musings. Your reservations have as little foundation as beliefs that Jesus existed and has some magical (pun intended) powers.

Have a blessed day.
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Post#1011 » by Cammo101 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:11 pm

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Cammo101 wrote:I've been through the range of emotions on this trade. Like most, when I first read it, the 4 unprotected picks made me knee-jerk hate the trade. But, the more I've thought about the context of those picks and how they fit into this team and it's current plans, and the more I've watched of Bane, the better I feel about this trade.

Selfishly, I wanted Trae Young, who is a bigger star and better fills our biggest need, but as someone who has been begging for a move like this for over a year, I'm not going to squabble over the exacts. The important thing here is the Magic are finally pushing their chips into the middle of the table.


For better or worse, the Magic very obviously did not want to cash in a bunch of chips on someone in who was going to dominate the basketball.

They likely could have traded for Trae Young or LaMelo Ball or Ja Morant and they likely could have gotten any one of those guys for less overall that they paid for Desmond Bane frankly.


I think Trae or Ja would have made us a much more formidable contender and if we really did prioritize Bane over either of them it was dumb IMO. But, I'm not sure either are currently available, so I much prefer this move to sitting on our hands and hoping all things go perfectly.
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Post#1012 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:14 pm

You literally turned Cole + KCP into a borderline all-star and great 3rd option. The fact that the we give up "4 unprotected picks". Heck, i'm surprised it wasn't more.

We kept every single player most people here agree we would like to keep or at worst think it would cost us, and yes, it costs us a couple "what ifs" in a time when we need to stop becoming younger and focus on becoming older.

Again, there are still gaps and tweaks I want to see on our roster. This was though, a near perfect first step.

Last reminder today. We traded Cole Anthony, a dude who couldn't start ahead of CoJo for "the answer".

I wish Cole and KCP well.
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Post#1013 » by VFX » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:23 pm

The Magic didn’t need to spend 4 firsts on Ja, Trae, or LaMelo. None of those guys are actual facilitators. They are ball dominant engines and Orlando already has two of those guys that need the ball in their hands to do absolutely anything on the court.

Orlando needed a Fox, J.Murray, C.White, Quickley kind of guy. Didn’t happen.

They clearly have an agenda as to how they want this team to operate on offense. It remains to be seen if it will be possible at an extremely high level. It’s a serious gamble “playing moneyball with the point guard spot” as PRR puts it.

My fear is that IF this gamble doesn’t pay off (the system Weltman is enamored with), then his next objective is to trade Jalen Suggs to save his ass.

It’s really the only card he has left to play if he doesn’t throw Mosely under the bus. I don’t want to see Suggs be pilloried because Weltman lacked common sense in acquiring a point guard for the last 5 seasons up to now with this decision.
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Post#1014 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:27 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:I've been through the range of emotions on this trade. Like most, when I first read it, the 4 unprotected picks made me knee-jerk hate the trade. But, the more I've thought about the context of those picks and how they fit into this team and it's current plans, and the more I've watched of Bane, the better I feel about this trade.

Selfishly, I wanted Trae Young, who is a bigger star and better fills our biggest need, but as someone who has been begging for a move like this for over a year, I'm not going to squabble over the exacts. The important thing here is the Magic are finally pushing their chips into the middle of the table.


For better or worse, the Magic very obviously did not want to cash in a bunch of chips on someone in who was going to dominate the basketball.

They likely could have traded for Trae Young or LaMelo Ball or Ja Morant and they likely could have gotten any one of those guys for less overall that they paid for Desmond Bane frankly.


I think Trae or Ja would have made us a much more formidable contender and if we really did prioritize Bane over either of them it was dumb IMO. But, I'm not sure either are currently available, so I much prefer this move to sitting on our hands and hoping all things go perfectly.


Maybe.

I just don’t think the front office wanted to add a player who couldn’t function - or at least hasn’t functioned recently - without being a 30+ USG% guy.

For better or worse, I don’t think Young or Morant are the kind of guys who have shown they can thrive as a 2nd or 3rd option. They need the ball. They need to be “the” guy offensively. The engine of the whole team.

Now if you think either one of them is good enough to where they could move Paolo and Franz down a peg, that’s fine.

But if the plan was to just bank on talent trumping all and have one of these all-star caliber PGs adjust their own games downward to accommodate the guys already here. That feels like a potentially very difficult adjustment for one of those guys to make.
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Post#1015 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:29 pm

VFX wrote:My fear is that IF this gamble doesn’t pay off (the system Weltman is enamored with), then his next objective is to trade Jalen Suggs to save his ass.


What if the only way to get one of the guys you mentioned - Fox, J.Murray, C.White, Quickley - or a guy of that skill set and caliber, was to give up Suggs?
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Post#1016 » by VFX » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:32 pm

Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:My fear is that IF this gamble doesn’t pay off (the system Weltman is enamored with), then his next objective is to trade Jalen Suggs to save his ass.


What if the only way to get one of the guys you mentioned - Fox, J.Murray, C.White, Quickley - or a guy of that skill set and caliber, was to give up Suggs?


I dunno man.

We just traded 4 firsts, a starter, and a sixth man/ role player for Desmond Bane. It’s hard to believe none of those guys, and a number of other similar options, weren’t available up until now with the same package.

I’d prefer not to give up Suggs if that isn’t obvious enough. He’s going to be targeted in trades now because we didn’t make moves to address that concern for 4+ seasons. Sucks for him if he doesn’t develop into a point guard or this system happens to suck. Too bad I guess.
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Post#1017 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:41 pm

VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:My fear is that IF this gamble doesn’t pay off (the system Weltman is enamored with), then his next objective is to trade Jalen Suggs to save his ass.


What if the only way to get one of the guys you mentioned - Fox, J.Murray, C.White, Quickley - or a guy of that skill set and caliber, was to give up Suggs?


I dunno man.

We just traded 4 firsts, a starter, and a sixth man/ role player for Desmond Bane. It’s hard to believe none of those guys and a number of other similar options weren’t available up until now with the same package.


First off, I’m not sure any of those guys are even on the block.

And second, there’s challenges with every name you mentioned.

Fox is a FA to be and essentially told teams he would only sign with a Texas team, which completely limited his trade market. And he’s eligible to sign 5/296 on his next deal.

Murray is already making $52M a year.

Bane is only making $37M this year, that $15M gap is significant for a team like Orlando which has three other guys getting paid.

Quickley isn’t good enough for the caliber of package the Magic gave up for Bane certainly, and Toronto just extended him as well so why would he be on the block?

Then there’s White…

I do think he’s a really good player and I do think the package the Magic gave up for Bane could have landed him, but he’s also 31 years old compared to 27 for Bane.

And if Boston was going to get rid of him, they would want more immediate financial relief in my opinion, considering their dire tax situation.
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Post#1018 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:01 pm

Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:
What if the only way to get one of the guys you mentioned - Fox, J.Murray, C.White, Quickley - or a guy of that skill set and caliber, was to give up Suggs?


I dunno man.

We just traded 4 firsts, a starter, and a sixth man/ role player for Desmond Bane. It’s hard to believe none of those guys and a number of other similar options weren’t available up until now with the same package.


First off, I’m not sure any of those guys are even on the block.

And second, there’s challenges with every name you mentioned.

Fox is a FA to be and essentially told teams he would only sign with a Texas team, which completely limited his trade market. And he’s eligible to sign 5/296 on his next deal.

Murray is already making $52M a year.

Bane is only making $37M this year, that $15M gap is significant for a team like Orlando which has three other guys getting paid.

Quickley isn’t good enough for the caliber of package the Magic gave up for Bane certainly, and Toronto just extended him as well so why would he be on the block?

Then there’s White…

I do think he’s a really good player and I do think the package the Magic gave up for Bane could have landed him, but he’s also 31 years old compared to 27 for Bane.

And if Boston was going to get rid of him, they would want more immediate financial relief in my opinion, considering their dire tax situation.




SA just traded for Fox and he was adamant about wanting to be there so I doubt they trade him right away even with the draft pick coming and also looking for big contract.

Murray makes too much.

Quickley is decent but not that impressive.

I think he meant Coby White who is 25, good player but he is not better than Bane and will be a FA next summer looking for a big pay day.

Bane is one of the best at his position, fits our needs, and his locked in salary fits in into our contending window.
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Post#1019 » by SloNick Russia » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:10 pm

Bane is on fair and long contract, he did not ask out and Grizz did not shop him. We made an offer with every possible FRP we could trade and they took it. Bane is a rare combination of skills we needed and age which fits in Paolo / Franz prime window.
In theory he is like a perfect guard we could possibly get at this cost.
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Post#1020 » by eyriq » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:13 pm

Bane is the perfect all-in target. Balance is restored. Copium fully inhaled - let's ride.

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