Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[WuTang_CMB]

rumours are saying we are offering RJ or IQ, Poetl and the 9th pick for KD? Frig man that is a massive overpay.

naw its all just hype from PHX. They put out 2 seperate fake packages from TOR and Minny yesterday

[GIZMO]

When you're trying to trade for anybody remotely available/known, it kind of gives the impression:
A. There is no over-arching plan.
B. Ownership has given you an ultimatum and you're desperate.

C. You're dong your due diligence (your job) and seeing what's available out there and at what cost.

[God Squad]

I like the idea of moving RJ, but I have no interest in KD being the return.


Nope to Sabonis.

[Pointgod]

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This kind of goes for any team that’s not on the preferred list. Then the teams on the preferred list will continue to try and get him without giving up what they believe is too much. And around and around we go.

[Fairview4Life]

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This kind of goes for any team that’s not on the preferred list. Then the teams on the preferred list will continue to try and get him without giving up what they believe is too much. And around and around we go.

And then they settle for RJ, #9 and a copy of the Rob Ford crack smoking video.

[anotherhomer]

When you're trying to trade for anybody remotely available/known, it kind of gives the impression:
A. There is no over-arching plan.
B. Ownership has given you an ultimatum and you're desperate.

C. You're dong your due diligence (your job) and seeing what's available out there and at what cost.

do your due diligence, and get back to Ed, and say

1) We explore the market for Giannis but he's not available
2) We explore the market for Kevin Durant, but they didn't like our package, and wanted their Rocket picks back
3) we explore other trade options and that is it

[TheRaptor!]

Windhorst: “If you’re Houston, who’s shown some interest [in KD] but hasn’t been willing to put together an offer that seems to compel Phoenix, I’m not increasing my offer at all. This is what happened to Toronto: When they got Kawhi, they were just the last team standing.”

[BurnsAndGambo] “We need to be prepared to be underwhelmed… this has taken a shift I don’t love over the last 24 hours.” Suns are desperate to move Durant by draft night, leverage slipping

sounds like a perfect storm coming

[GIZMO]

When you're trying to trade for anybody remotely available/known, it kind of gives the impression:
A. There is no over-arching plan.
B. Ownership has given you an ultimatum and you're desperate.

C. You're dong your due diligence (your job) and seeing what's available out there and at what cost.

do your due diligence, and get back to Ed, and say

1) We explore the market for Giannis but he's not available
2) We explore the market for Kevin Durant, but they didn't like our package, and wanted their Rocket picks back
3) we explore other trade options and that is it

or to see what's out there and see if you can get in on it for cheap and to better the roster. But I guess it's easier to say that Masai is cooked, so please go on.

[WWSRD]

C. You're dong your due diligence (your job) and seeing what's available out there and at what cost.

do your due diligence, and get back to Ed, and say

1) We explore the market for Giannis but he's not available
2) We explore the market for Kevin Durant, but they didn't like our package, and wanted their Rocket picks back
3) we explore other trade options and that is it

or to see what's out there and see if you can get in on it for cheap and to better the roster. But I guess it's easier to say that Masai is cooked, so please go on.

Masai has had 6 really bad years after an all-time elite 9 year GM run spanning the Nuggets and Raptors. It is what it is.

[ConSarnit]

Ref Sabonis' defense. I know DRTG is subjective based on the team around them.

DRTG he was above:

Siakam
OG
Kessler
Camara
RJ (no surprise)
DFS
Durant

He was similar to Okongwu, Vucevic (yikes), Bulter, Bane, Aldama and so on.

Basically the punchline is that he's not a great defender but he's not a complete tire fire. His DBPM was 1.1 which is 31st so not bad. His OBPM was 12th which is better than Durant, Irving, Mitchell, Cunningham, Victor, Young, Booker and so on. He's pretty elite on the offensive end.

On the offensive end he was 16th in ORTG so thats fun. Sabonis plugged in for Jakob 1 for 1 would be bad for our team's defence, fair. However if we improve the other defenders around him (ie no RJ) then I think we can make him work within a team context. Keep in mind that Barnes is a really good weak side defender.

All that being said, I don't think Sabonis is as bad defensively as we are making him out to be

DBPM is not a reputable stat. It’s derived from OBPM - BPM. It weighs counting stats in favor of positions that normally don’t produce in certain areas (a big get more credit for an assist than a guard in BPM). It doesn’t include any factors like shot deterrence or rim protection outside of blocks (which is not always a good indicator of rim protection). Guys like Sabonis and Jokic look better in DBPM because they put up assists numbers, which ups their OBPM, which then ups their DBPM.

If you are a big that gets assists and rebounds you’re going to get a bump in DBPM, regardless of how good/bad a defender you are.

Most importantly, we’ve seen Sabonis have major defensive issues in the playoffs. His cost would be high and it doesn’t make sense to trade a bunch of assets for someone who puts a ceiling on your playoff potential.

[Scase]

Yes bring it on Masai give me maximum chaos!

**** IT MASAI GO ALL IN FOR THIS ONE SEASON!!! TRADE EVERYTHING

GO OUT WITH A BANG FOR YOUR LAST YEAR

That's the spirit!

[Scase]

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This kind of goes for any team that’s not on the preferred list. Then the teams on the preferred list will continue to try and get him without giving up what they believe is too much. And around and around we go.

And then they settle for RJ, #9 and a copy of the Rob Ford crack smoking video.

Come on man, that last bit is free on netflix now, gotta step that offer up!

[MoMan24]

Guys we should not trade cause we made them work on their weakness and forced development this past season. Those players are Scottie, Gradey and IQ. Their value is lower for that reason. I also feel like the players you value more you develop during tank seasons. The players you don't plan on keeping long term you make sure you keep their value as high as possible.

Guys we should look to trade because they had roles that fit their skill set more and had career years. Those players are RJ, Yak and Ochai. You trade them cause I believe those players have all time high trade value and Yak/RJ are looking for new contracts soon. Ochai this summer. We can't pay everyone.

[TGM]

I think people need to look at Masai looking to do a trade is a form of asset management. You always want to accumulate more higher tier players when you have the chance.

Guys like IQ and RJ are decent, but can't put in the same tier as a Sabonis or especially KD. IQ and RJ for all we know are decent, but could also become the next Jerami Grant type of contract or John Collins. Sabonis has been top 3 in rebounding the past 4 seasons and rarely misses games. The fit of our current core is awkward to begin with so I would take my chances with Sabonis as long as its not like giving the farm away.

I think the rumored deal was IQ, Jakob and a 2026 first. If that is the case I would happily do the deal. With the 9th we could take a project big if not roll the dice on a guy like Kasparas.

[Slim Charless]

Lots of arguing here over nonsense....But i will piece it together that makes the most sense off all reports we got so far in the negotiations...

Timberwolves have the best offer on the table and Sun would accept the deal right now if they could....Issue is KD is refusing to go there or sign an extension there if traded....That takes Minny out because they are NOT willing to give up the package that they are offering if they do not get a KD commitment....So Suns atm are in fact trying hard to get KD to accept Minny and agree to stay there long term which as of now is NOT happening...

Raptors offer is prolly the 2nd best offer on the table atm with Yak/One of RJ/IQ + 9th pick.....Maybe both RJ/IQ but i don't see that being the case but have no idea....Unlike the Timberwolves Masai does not care if KD commits long term to us and is willing to take the gamble/risk even if it means giving up assets for a player who has the potential to walk in free agency....Which might make us in the drivers seat for KD if KD keeps his stance on not wanting to extend with Minny....

Spurs do not want to offer up their best package for KD as they are saving assets for if Giannis hits the market....So its unlikely they are in the KD race at all atm

Rockets could be doing the same as the Spurs and saving assets for Giannis and they maybe unwilling to up their offer to compete with Raps/Minny

Heat i don't think have the assets the Suns really want....They have more young players and not a great draft pick....So i don't think Suns like what Miami are giving them as well....

Its very possible KD is a Raptor if none of his prefered destinations up their offers (Which at this moment it seems like they are not upping them) And if KD does not accept to extend with Minny i doubt Minny takes the gamble on giving up so much for a rental....

KDs master plan is working to come play for his childhood team. Get them to pay as little as possible.

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For the record, this Suns fan thinks you guys have the best offer-by far and hopes the deal gets done foe Durant.

Obviously we aren't getting all of RJ/Peotl/IQ, but even 2 of them plus the pick is world's better than I've seen.

Hopefully the deal gets announced sometime b4 the weekend

[Scase]

KDs master plan is working to come play for his childhood team. Get them to pay as little as possible.

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For the record, this Suns fan thinks you guys have the best offer-by far and hopes the deal gets done foe Durant.

Obviously we aren't getting all of RJ/Peotl/IQ, but even 2 of them plus the pick is world's better than I've seen.

Hopefully the deal gets announced sometime b4 the weekend

I dont think any raps fan wants to give up that pick, so hopefully it doesnt get announced lol

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Guys we should not trade cause we made them work on their weakness and forced development this past season. Those players are Scottie, Gradey and IQ. Their value is lower for that reason. I also feel like the players you value more you develop during tank seasons. The players you don't plan on keeping long term you make sure you keep their value as high as possible.

Guys we should look to trade because they had roles that fit their skill set more and had career years. Those players are RJ, Yak and Ochai. You trade them cause I believe those players have all time high trade value and Yak/RJ are looking for new contracts soon. Ochai this summer. We can't pay everyone.

Do people really think this? That those three underwhelmed “for development”. Scottie get to do whatever he wants. That’s not going to change unless the roster front office or coach changes.

Dick can’t defend, is weak and an inconsistent shooter so far? IQ is a poor defender. What part of their games were they developing at the expense of their strengths?

[djsunyc]

masai may be asking where he'd rather be allocating money to in 2 years -

KD (assuming 2 year extension) vs rj/yak.
or
cap space vs. rj/yak.

[ishoy123]

I like the idea of moving RJ, but I have no interest in KD being the return.


Nope to Sabonis.

Satire right? There is no way anyone wouldn't trade RJ Barrett for Kevin Durant straight up??

[Slim Charless]

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For the record, this Suns fan thinks you guys have the best offer-by far and hopes the deal gets done foe Durant.

Obviously we aren't getting all of RJ/Peotl/IQ, but even 2 of them plus the pick is world's better than I've seen.

Hopefully the deal gets announced sometime b4 the weekend

I dont think any raps fan wants to give up that pick, so hopefully it doesnt get announced lol

Fair. I'd even do a swap to make the deal happen TBH. We have the #29 pick this year, Id give that up personally to move up to #9. Along with KD for Poetl and 1 of the other 2