Trades and Transactions 2025 continued x2

[WaltFrazier]

Is Jabari enough of a rim protector to play next to KAT? In theory - OG/Jabari as a pairing in the front court could make a lot of sense. But for the deal to make sense there needs to be a follow up flipping the picks and using the balance of Bridges salary slot for a shooting guard who provides secondary shot creation.

Brunson/(insert shooting guard)/Anunoby/Jabari/Towns

McBride/Hart/Robinson off the bench

No but Jabari AND Kessler would make an excellent combination to surround KAT with. JJJ would be ideal but a Kessler/Jabari tandem would accomplish many of the things you would look for to best complement KAT as well.

But wouldn't OG be the odd man out here? OG doesn't have enough ball skills to be a SG. Mikal is at least passable in that role. I also have some questions about Jabari as a 3.

I guess in theory, could Jabari be part of the package that goes to Utah for Kessler or can Jabari be flipped elsewhere for a better fitting player. For example - Jabari ends up in Sacramento with Monk heading to NY as well as a pick heading to Toronto for Agbaji.

Brunson/Agbaji/Anunoby/Towns/Kessler
McBride/Monk/Hart/Robinson

Has Agbaji been rumored or is that just your idea? He's underrated, about to break out. Not a star but solid two way game, can hit the three. And Toronto has a surplus of wings

[3toheadmelo]

perhaps, but they were willing to give up Jalen Green + picks last year. We gave up what 4? 5? picks to get Mikal. I don't think Jabari Smith is viewed w/ the same value a former #3 pick would, probably a buy-low on him. Whitmore is a bucket but Ime hasn't found consistent minutes for him, so he seems expendable to them.

I think a lot of teams were banking on Mikal not being used correctly on Brooklyn and that’s why his value was prettty high. I’m sure his value isn’t the same anymore since he’s declined. I would love to take that deal and run tho.

I don't think his value is the same, but not far off. the Bane trade helped

I think bane is significantly better than Mikal tho.

[knickstape4ever]

I think a lot of teams were banking on Mikal not being used correctly on Brooklyn and that’s why his value was prettty high. I’m sure his value isn’t the same anymore since he’s declined. I would love to take that deal and run tho.

I don't think his value is the same, but not far off. the Bane trade helped

I think bane is significantly better than Mikal tho.

this year clouds our judgment but even the harshest Mikal critics can agree he wasn't used properly

[knickstape4ever]

I'd love to get a 2nd ball handler, who can be a scorer. My initial thought is Malik Monk, one of my white whales, wanted him in the 2017 draft. Another idea I had was Jaden Ivey

Knicks had interest before that draft, and it was reported they tried moving up for him, was so disappointed they weren't able to

[sol537]

1) Trade KAT for better fits
2) Get a coach upgrade (Kidd/Bryant/Hurley)
3) Extend Mitch @ $11m per, extend Mikal for 4 years
4) Use vet minimum deals for Hortford, Shamet, Wright
5) Look at Trent Jr for Tax MLE unless it will put us in 2nd apron territory (then don't use it)

Clean, easy off-season that puts us on a 55-60 win track again.

[rajajackal]

I don't think his value is the same, but not far off. the Bane trade helped

I think bane is significantly better than Mikal tho.

this year clouds our judgment but even the harshest Mikal critics can agree he wasn't used properly

idk my problems with mikal didn't seem to stem from coaching. my issues were that he plays soft, disinterested, not competitive. doesn't look like he cares when he makes a critical error either

[3toheadmelo]

I don't think his value is the same, but not far off. the Bane trade helped

I think bane is significantly better than Mikal tho.

this year clouds our judgment but even the harshest Mikal critics can agree he wasn't used properly

I mean we have footage of him passing up layups for a middies

[jvsimonetti0514]

Curious how much Dinwiddie gonna make in free agency. He made 3 million last year and our tax payer mid level would be a decent raise for him. He used to talk smack about the Knicks but I’d expect that from one of our opponents. Does fit our need for another shot creator and has the size to play next to Brunson. Downside is he hasn’t really shot that well the last couple years.

[rajajackal]

I think bane is significantly better than Mikal tho.

this year clouds our judgment but even the harshest Mikal critics can agree he wasn't used properly

I mean we have footage of him passing up layups for a middies

if you can't up your intensity for thibs it seems like a you-problem. even if kat sucks at d, you saw him hustling for boards and trying his hardest out there. mikal floated through the entire season besides some big moments vs boston imo

[rajajackal]

Curious how much Dinwiddie gonna make in free agency. He made 3 million last year and our tax payer mid level would be a decent raise for him. He used to talk smack about the Knicks but I’d expect that from one of our opponents. Does fit our need for another shot creator and has the size to play next to Brunson. Downside is he hasn’t really shot that well the last couple years.

ain't he being paid in bitcoin?

[god shammgod]

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[god shammgod]

1) Trade KAT for better fits
2) Get a coach upgrade (Kidd/Bryant/Hurley)
3) Extend Mitch @ $11m per, extend Mikal for 4 years
4) Use vet minimum deals for Hortford, Shamet, Wright
5) Look at Trent Jr for Tax MLE unless it will put us in 2nd apron territory (then don't use it)

Clean, easy off-season that puts us on a 55-60 win track again.

i'm with you on number 1 but you do have to trade him for an all-star level player on offense which won't be easy. I don't think mikal or og can be the number 2 option on a contender.

[KnixinSix]

i won't quote any of you since several responded, this is my comprehensive reply:

mitchell robinson was the difference between not beating any top teams all year and making the eastern conference finals in the postseason lol

brunson is the man. kat can light it up. og's a monster. but for whatever reason this team had no grit and kept getting its **** kicked in. mitchell robinson tipped the scale for us. i'm loyal to that

I don't disagree with any of that....

Here in lies the issue....
We all know he can't stay healthy, has bad hands, and not quite the athlete he was 4-5 years ago. Plus the reality of the CBA is and he's in line for a new deal after the coming season. 4 years /72 million. Not worth the risk and also would put us over 2nd apron. Kessler's cost controlled for longer and can do enough of the same things especially in tandem with Jabari Smith..... to surround KAT with those two is actually an excellent path.

i do sympathize with the CBA circumstance angle, that's a valid point. i would hope to improve elsewhere and ride out the rest of his contract, see if we can work something out afterwards. i am willing to include him in a trade that makes us better but i'd prefer not to replace him with a similar player unless it becomes necessary to do so

I think it is necessary to do so considering the spectre of losing him for nothing at the end of the year. A combination of Kessler/Jabari Smith would be excellent and likely even better than an injury prone Mitch to put around KAT....

[3toheadmelo]

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Hopefully Houston gets him

[SelbyCobra]

Curious how much Dinwiddie gonna make in free agency. He made 3 million last year and our tax payer mid level would be a decent raise for him. He used to talk smack about the Knicks but I’d expect that from one of our opponents. Does fit our need for another shot creator and has the size to play next to Brunson. Downside is he hasn’t really shot that well the last couple years.

ain't he being paid in bitcoin?

Whenever I read posts about like this about Dinwiddie it reminds me of one of my favorite visceral reactions in music - ODB on Brooklyn Zoo when he says, "introducing..."

[KnixinSix]

Out of curiosity, would you make this deal?

Mikal to HOU for Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore, Jock Landale (salary matching purposes), + 2 1sts

this is knowing that Mikal was heavily coveted by the Rockets last year. I'd prefer to trade Mikal for someone like JJJ, but if the Rockets were still interested I'd definitely consider dealing w/ them; their picks are very valuable: #10 this year, pick swap w/ BKN 2027, PHX 2027, 2029 2 most favorable of DAL/PHX/HOU. + Jabari Smith has a lot of tools and will likely breakout soon. Whitmore is a bucket w/ no room in that rotation

Is Jabari enough of a rim protector to play next to KAT? In theory - OG/Jabari as a pairing in the front court could make a lot of sense. But for the deal to make sense there needs to be a follow up flipping the picks and using the balance of Bridges salary slot for a shooting guard who provides secondary shot creation.

Brunson/(insert shooting guard)/Anunoby/Jabari/Towns

McBride/Hart/Robinson off the bench

Jabari is a solid all-around defender, w/ the potential to improve, so I think he'd be fine next to KAT (not a perfect fit like JJJ tho). Agreed, given the stage of this franchise, they should not be looking for picks (maybe 1 just to have in case we need cost controlled talent/more trade fodder down the road), and any deal like this should then flip said picks for win-now pieces

A Kessler/Jabari combo would be better than Mitch when you account for all the factors like health, contract, strengths of each player etc. Obviously JJJ would be ideal but if JJJ has agreed to extend with them he is going nowhere. We still don't know this for absolute sure.


Plan A. Giannis. It's Giannis and probably why why are pushing so hard for Kidd.

Plan B. JJJ. Perfect complement to KAT in frontcourt. I can understand why this could even be Plan A for some as well as it may not cost as much.

Plan C. Kessler. Offensive rebound and blocking machine. Still young and cost controlled. If you also can pull off Jabari with him that is an excellent frontcourt combo to pair with KAT if you can't land the bigger fishies.

[spree2kawhi]

1) Trade KAT for better fits
2) Get a coach upgrade (Kidd/Bryant/Hurley)
3) Extend Mitch @ $11m per, extend Mikal for 4 years
4) Use vet minimum deals for Hortford, Shamet, Wright
5) Look at Trent Jr for Tax MLE unless it will put us in 2nd apron territory (then don't use it)

Clean, easy off-season that puts us on a 55-60 win track again.

Who are you getting for Towns that “puts us on a 55-60 win track again” just like that?

[KnixinSix]

1) Trade KAT for better fits
2) Get a coach upgrade (Kidd/Bryant/Hurley)
3) Extend Mitch @ $11m per, extend Mikal for 4 years
4) Use vet minimum deals for Hortford, Shamet, Wright
5) Look at Trent Jr for Tax MLE unless it will put us in 2nd apron territory (then don't use it)

Clean, easy off-season that puts us on a 55-60 win track again.

Who are you getting for Towns that “puts us on a 55-60 win track again” just like that?

Not many players unless you mistakenly undervalue KATs impact.

The only 2 I can think of that have even a remote chance of being available are Giannis and JJJ. . But even then keeping KAT while moving other parts would still be the more preferable path in that JJJ or Giannis scenario as well. You certainly dont give up KAT for lesser players.

[Jalen Bluntson]

this year clouds our judgment but even the harshest Mikal critics can agree he wasn't used properly

I mean we have footage of him passing up layups for a middies

if you can't up your intensity for thibs it seems like a you-problem. even if kat sucks at d, you saw him hustling for boards and trying his hardest out there. mikal floated through the entire season besides some big moments vs boston imo

Nonsense. Mikal was one of or best players during that December run. He has several game winning blocks/steals this year and in the playoffs. The shyt this guy gets for being completely abused by Thibs is ridiculous.

[spree2kawhi]

I mean we have footage of him passing up layups for a middies

if you can't up your intensity for thibs it seems like a you-problem. even if kat sucks at d, you saw him hustling for boards and trying his hardest out there. mikal floated through the entire season besides some big moments vs boston imo

Nonsense. Mikal was one of or best players during that December run. He has several game winning blocks/steals this year and in the playoffs. The shyt this guy gets for being completely abused by Thibs is ridiculous.

It’s the easy thing to say and it is realgm in 2025, so …