Keyonte George for what pick in 2025 draft?

[wolves_89]

The Wolves seem like a decent fit, 17 is a bit rich though considering that he only has 2 years left on his rookie deal. Still probably a bit short on value, but 17 for George and 43 is the best I can think of. For those who watch him more closely, does George have any chance of developing like Andrew Nembhard did on defense? Similar build but George has a longer wingspan

There's no chance the Wovles move 17 for George. I think the players available at 17 are significantly more attractive prospects while still having their full rookie deals.

[brackdan70]

Only 2 years left on his rookie deal and he has been really inefficient and not a defensive guy at all. I wouldn’t trade a first for him personally.
He still has some upside, but no more than guys available in the draft this year in the 20s.

[gswhoops]

If the worst NBA team in the league wants to move a rookie contract player I think other teams will be hesitant. I would expect an early 2nd to be a good outcome.

This is an underrated but important point. Utah is exactly the type of team that should be willing to give George as much rope as he can handle to see if he can develop into a player...if they're looking to move on before year 3 that's a red flag.

The Wolves seem like a decent fit, 17 is a bit rich though considering that he only has 2 years left on his rookie deal. Still probably a bit short on value, but 17 for George and 43 is the best I can think of. For those who watch him more closely, does George have any chance of developing like Andrew Nembhard did on defense? Similar build but George has a longer wingspan

No, he is the worst defender on planet earth. That said his efficiency went up from a bench role and I think he is a better than average scoring guard off the bench.

Appreciate the honest appraisal of one's own talent TBH. More of this on the board please.

[babyjax13]

I wouldn’t hesitate giving up 28 and 32 from Boston for him assuming Jrue is moved as expected. He’s only 21 and played on a joke of a team that was trying to lose, so I’m not willing to write him off yet.

He’s an underrated athlete with a good handle and good size/length, and I actually think his finishing game/shooting stroke has a bit of upside at his age. Learning from and practicing against Pritchard and White could do a lot for his future. For 2 picks that are probably worth something in the low to mid 20’s, it would be a no brainer. However, I don’t see the point in Utah giving up on him after 2 years for a subpar return.

I think 32 would be sufficient. Boston has to send salary back, though, which makes it more complex. But I can see the sell of 'this player has proven they can do some things in the NBA already' and trading for him + just taking the other pick.

[JJ_PR]

I think he could get you a mid 20's pick.

[mg]

He's likely a Detroit version Reggie Jackson type. He can pass a bit but is not a PG and turns the ball over when defenses press. Doesn't play defense at all. Can get hot from 3 but overall not an efficient shooter yet. Even if he keeps developing the archetype of bench scoring guard isn't all that valuable these days. Utah should probably keep unless they can package him as part of a bigger deal. Don't see alot of fits although he could be a cheap option to take Cole Anthony type bench minutes on a team like Orlando or Detroit?

Outside of Kessler who was drafted by Minnesota I don't think any of the Utah kids are potential starters in the league although the verdict is still out on Hendricks due to the injury. Filipowski and Collier were decent selections at their slots but likely not starters. Hopefully Austin can get in there and start making some better picks.

[gswhoops]

The Wolves seem like a decent fit, 17 is a bit rich though considering that he only has 2 years left on his rookie deal. Still probably a bit short on value, but 17 for George and 43 is the best I can think of. For those who watch him more closely, does George have any chance of developing like Andrew Nembhard did on defense? Similar build but George has a longer wingspan

There's no chance the Wovles move 17 for George. I think the players available at 17 are significantly more attractive prospects while still having their full rookie deals.

Value aside, he seems pretty redundant role-wise with Dillingham (who I assume they value more)

[mg]

I think he could get you a mid 20's pick.

Which team would trade a mid 20's pick for him?

[JJ_PR]

I think he could get you a mid 20's pick.

Which team would trade a mid 20's pick for him?

Brooklyn is a good candidate; they have like 4 firsts. I could see them offering 26 or 27.

[SkyHook]

If the worst NBA team in the league wants to move a rookie contract player I think other teams will be hesitant. I would expect an early 2nd to be a good outcome.

This is an underrated but important point. Utah is exactly the type of team that should be willing to give George as much rope as he can handle to see if he can develop into a player...if they're looking to move on before year 3 that's a red flag.

The Wolves seem like a decent fit, 17 is a bit rich though considering that he only has 2 years left on his rookie deal. Still probably a bit short on value, but 17 for George and 43 is the best I can think of. For those who watch him more closely, does George have any chance of developing like Andrew Nembhard did on defense? Similar build but George has a longer wingspan

No, he is the worst defender on planet earth. That said his efficiency went up from a bench role and I think he is a better than average scoring guard off the bench.

Appreciate the honest appraisal of one's own talent TBH. More of this on the board please.

This, and also because if they're still looking to "stealth" tank (as they should be), George is the ideal tank commander. Nothing has corresponded more closely with Jazz losses over the past two years than an increase in Keyonte's minutes.

[babyjax13]

If the worst NBA team in the league wants to move a rookie contract player I think other teams will be hesitant. I would expect an early 2nd to be a good outcome.

This is an underrated but important point. Utah is exactly the type of team that should be willing to give George as much rope as he can handle to see if he can develop into a player...if they're looking to move on before year 3 that's a red flag.

No, he is the worst defender on planet earth. That said his efficiency went up from a bench role and I think he is a better than average scoring guard off the bench.

Appreciate the honest appraisal of one's own talent TBH. More of this on the board please.

This, and also because if they're still looking to "stealth" tank (as they should be), George is the ideal tank commander. Nothing has corresponded more closely with Jazz losses over the past two years than an increase in Keyonte's minutes.

TBF, and increase in Collier's minutes were just as bad.

[balsamic_ducks]

I think he could get you a mid 20's pick.

Which team would trade a mid 20's pick for him?

Brooklyn is a good candidate; they have like 4 firsts. I could see them offering 26 or 27.

Brooklyn has Cam Thomas who is just a much better version of Keyonte.

[GatherStepGuru]

I look at his role as a Cole Anthony type. Idk what you’d get for him alone.

If a 1st is the goal, maybe you can package him with a 2nd to get a late 1st from a playoff team that values a young cheap backup scorer more than a late 1st shot in the dark.

[babyjax13]

I look at his role as a Cole Anthony type. Idk what you’d get for him alone.

If a 1st is the goal, maybe you can package him with a 2nd to get a late 1st from a playoff team that values a young cheap backup scorer more than a late 1st shot in the dark.

Agreed. I could see something like George + 43 to Orlando for 25 and filler if they want to know that they've added an NBA player, but that's probably as good as we can hope for.

I waffle back and forth on Keyonte, I was very high in the draft, but he is inconsistent and a bad defender. I still see some scoring upside and expect the efficiency to increase - but I also think I'd rather have a shot at another prospect?

[Tripod]

If the worst NBA team in the league wants to move a rookie contract player I think other teams will be hesitant. I would expect an early 2nd to be a good outcome.

It worked out fine when the Raps grabbed Ochai.

All comes down to what homework the acquiring team did on the player pre-draft and if they think their development system is better "fit".

Ochai was s 40% shooter this year and supplies good 3+D vs 1-3's. Of course he needs to prove this year wasn't a fluke. But so far so good.

But it "could" be a way for a team to get an undervalued asset...or be able to rebuild that assets value.

[oldncreaky]

If the worst NBA team in the league wants to move a rookie contract player I think other teams will be hesitant. I would expect an early 2nd to be a good outcome.

It worked out fine when the Raps grabbed Ochai.

All comes down to what homework the acquiring team did on the player pre-draft and if they think their development system is better "fit".

Ochai was s 40% shooter this year and supplies good 3+D vs 1-3's. Of course he needs to prove this year wasn't a fluke. But so far so good.

But it "could" be a way for a team to get an undervalued asset...or be able to rebuild that assets value.

Good points

According to the spin from Toronto's FO, Ochai "did well" in his interview with the team prior to the 2022 draft, and the team continued to be interested -- so any team interested in Keyonte now probably had an interest in Keyonte then. However, if this is the source of interest, any team trading for him is usually looking to get a steep "discount".

The other issue is why Keyonte plays bad D. Haven't watched him nearly enough to venture an opinion, but sometimes these issues are correctable in young players. Another Raptor analogy I'd point to is Gradey Dick, who is bad on D, but the reason is blindingly obvious: he just doesn't have enough weight or strength (yet) to guard most of the players in the league.

[gswhoops]

I wouldn’t hesitate giving up 28 and 32 from Boston for him assuming Jrue is moved as expected. He’s only 21 and played on a joke of a team that was trying to lose, so I’m not willing to write him off yet.

He’s an underrated athlete with a good handle and good size/length, and I actually think his finishing game/shooting stroke has a bit of upside at his age. Learning from and practicing against Pritchard and White could do a lot for his future. For 2 picks that are probably worth something in the low to mid 20’s, it would be a no brainer. However, I don’t see the point in Utah giving up on him after 2 years for a subpar return.

I think 32 would be sufficient. Boston has to send salary back, though, which makes it more complex. But I can see the sell of 'this player has proven they can do some things in the NBA already' and trading for him + just taking the other pick.

If Boston spends one of these picks on a wing maybe George gets baked into a Hauser salary dump?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Maybe Brooklyn at #27

I know Orlando would prefer WCJ at #25 to George so later I presume.

I think in a vacuum a pair of seconds.