Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[mlloyd10]

I like the trade that ESPN article has with us getting WCJ, Dosunmu and Howard but I don’t like adding the first. But maybe worth it if you get rid of Kuzma.

The Johnson one isn’t awful.

The Beal one is gross.

Post the full trades? Dont know if its an insider thing or not

[emunney]

Marks:

The Milwaukee Bucks will aggressively pursue free agency and trade options to complement Giannis Antetokounmpo this offseason, sources confirmed to ESPN, despite three consecutive first-round playoff exits.

The Khris Middleton-Kyle Kuzma trade provides Milwaukee with valuable exceptions to pursue upgrades. The Bucks can utilize a $14.1 million nontaxpayer midlevel exception and $5.1 million biannual exception to re-sign Gary Trent Jr. or a temporary point guard in the absence of Lillard.

However, retaining free agents Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis while using both exceptions appears unlikely. The team's salary structure presents additional challenges, with 79 percent of payroll committed to Antetokounmpo, Lillard, and Kuzma.

Pat Connaughton's $9.4 million expiring contract represents Milwaukee's only sizable tradeable asset. CBA rules prevent the Bucks from aggregating smaller contracts with Connaughton to acquire a $25 million player.

Milwaukee could potentially circumvent these restrictions through sign-and-trade scenarios involving Lopez or Portis if his player option is declined. The Kuzma deal also provides flexibility to exceed 100 percent of traded player exceptions in future transactions.

Nothing really ground-breaking here but I don't really understand what he means by the bolded. "Aggressively pursuing trade options" while listing Pat as their only sizable contract to trade? Yeah, they're not looking to move Kuzma at all. We've discussed the S&T route with Brook/Bobby, but no mention of Kevin Porter or using the new mid-level mechanism to absorb a player salary.

Weird. Why would he specifically say 25M? And if he acknowledges that we have the potential to use the mle, why wouldn't he acknowledge that we can also aggregate under the same scenario (being under the first apron)?

We are 100% not going over the first apron. It was a big reason why we traded Khris for Kuzma.

I think he or his editors have dumbed down what he's saying to the point where it's no longer technically accurate, though it is accurate, practically speaking. I think I can fill in the gaps.

The new CBA limits the number of minimum contracts you can aggregate in the offseason through Dec. 15th (regardless of your relationship to the cap/tax threshholds) to 1. Apart from Pat (presuming he picks up his PO, which of course), Kuzma, Giannis, and Dame, we don't have any non-min guys under contract. So there's just no way to get from Pat to 25m.

[hoopsfan777]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
MIL '26 1st

Milwaukee outgoing

Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
#47

[machu46]

I like the trade that ESPN article has with us getting WCJ, Dosunmu and Howard but I don’t like adding the first. But maybe worth it if you get rid of Kuzma.

The Johnson one isn’t awful.

The Beal one is gross.

Post the full trades? Dont know if its an insider thing or not

Trade 1:

Connaughton, Kuzma, Andre Jackson, 2031 first, 2032 swap, 2031 2nd round pick for Wendell Carter, Ayo Dosunmu, and Jett Howard.

Trade 2:

Kuzma, 2031 1st, and 2032 swap for Cam Johnson

Trade 3:

Dame and Pat for Beal, Royce O'Neale, and #29 overall pick

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[Bernman]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
MIL '26 1st

Milwaukee outgoing

Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
#47

Giannis is playing this season w/ the Bucks, so why would we do that? The pick projects to be late teens to early 20's. We're taking on another dead asset & killing our cap space a yr or 2 away to add to Giannis to convince him to stay long-term.

This would be more the type of move the Bucks would make after Giannis was leaving. W/ him in the fold, they'd be more inclined to take on Jerami Grant from PDX to get the Bucks pick(s) back for down the line, if they were to do anything like this at all (which I don't think they will).

[emunney]

The biggest problem with the trades they pursue to build around Giannis is that almost all of them have the Bucks pursuing players the Bucks should not be pursuing. Cam Johnson is the exception and he's hurt almost as much as the guy who we traded because he's hurt too much. WTF are we going to do with Ayo and Jett Howard? Why would we be expending equity on guys who don't make sense here?

[RRyder823]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
MIL '26 1st

Milwaukee outgoing

Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
#47

Giannis is playing this season w/ the Bucks, so why would we do that? The pick projects to be late teens to early 20's. We're taking on another dead asset & killing our cap space a yr or 2 away to add to Giannis to convince him to stay long-term.

This would be more the type of move the Bucks would make after Giannis was leaving. W/ him in the fold, they'd be more inclined to take on Jerami Grant from PDX to get the Bucks pick(s) back for down the line, if they were to do anything like this at all (which I don't think they will).

Did i miss when Murray became a dead asset?

I get the new car shine has come off a little bit but dead asset seems pretty harsh

Not to mention that trade gets Kuzma off the team. **** sign me up



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[Bernman]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
MIL '26 1st

Milwaukee outgoing

Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
#47

Giannis is playing this season w/ the Bucks, so why would we do that? The pick projects to be late teens to early 20's. We're taking on another dead asset & killing our cap space a yr or 2 away to add to Giannis to convince him to stay long-term.

This would be more the type of move the Bucks would make after Giannis was leaving. W/ him in the fold, they'd be more inclined to take on Jerami Grant from PDX to get the Bucks pick(s) back for down the line, if they were to do anything like this at all (which I don't think they will).

Did i miss when Murray became a dead asset?

I get the new car shine has come off a little bit but dead asset seems pretty harsh

Not to mention that trade gets Kuzma off the team. **** sign me up

What do you mean? He tore his achilles. At best he's a very negative contract. That's why he proposed that trade.

It's a way worse deal than Kuzma. Taking that much of a hit cuz you can't stand him is cutting of your nose to spite your face. Let him recover to career norms, or hopefully above accepting a role. If not, leave him on the bench, trade him as an expiring, etc.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah that Orlando trade is awful. Jett Howard is a complete bust, WCJ isn't a positive asset anymore on that new extension, and Ayo is a solid rotation guy but coming off season ending shoulder surgery. And we're giving up the 2031 1st AND the 2032 pick swap. Lol, **** gross and hell no.

[Frank Nova]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
MIL '26 1st

Milwaukee outgoing

Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
#47

No brainer for the Bucks. Send it to the commissioner.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm only doing that trade if NOP is sending our 2027 1st back, at which I'm guessing they pass on. That 2026 pick swap is useless now that everyone knows Giannis isn't going anywhere.

[emunney]

Triangulating talent and fit, these are the guys I'd look to get a 1st for if it's plausible. I would trade the 2031 pick for 1 guy from the first group plus one other of these five.

Carter Bryant
Coward
Fleming

Bates
McNeeley

[RRyder823]

Giannis is playing this season w/ the Bucks, so why would we do that? The pick projects to be late teens to early 20's. We're taking on another dead asset & killing our cap space a yr or 2 away to add to Giannis to convince him to stay long-term.

This would be more the type of move the Bucks would make after Giannis was leaving. W/ him in the fold, they'd be more inclined to take on Jerami Grant from PDX to get the Bucks pick(s) back for down the line, if they were to do anything like this at all (which I don't think they will).

Did i miss when Murray became a dead asset?

I get the new car shine has come off a little bit but dead asset seems pretty harsh

Not to mention that trade gets Kuzma off the team. **** sign me up

What do you mean? He tore his achilles. At best he's a very negative contract. That's why he proposed that trade.

It's a way worse deal than Kuzma. Taking that much of a hit cuz you can't stand him is cutting of your nose to spite your face. Let him recover to career norms, or hopefully above accepting a role. If not, leave him on the bench, trade him as an expiring, etc.

He's 28. It's isnt like his career is over

If the doctors sign off on it and your medical team believes in their rehab program you just turned **** Kuzma, Patty C and a 2nd into a starting caliber player and a 1st round pick in a years time. (or rather at least control if agiannis decides he does want to leave)

That's a **** win. Just cause it isnt free of risk doesn't mean that isnt the exact type of trade they should be doing this year and about the only type of move that has a chance at turning the team around in a year or two

Hate to break to you but an expiring Kuzma deal isnt bring back quality without future picks attached. This trade actually has the chance to add to the rotation a year from now without giving up anything quality

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[Ron Swanson]

Screw it, let's get nuts.

MIL Out: Dame, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap
MIL In: #5, Paul George

UTA Out: Lauri, #5, #21
UTA In: Dame, #3, 2031 MIL 1st, 2032 pick swap

PHI Out: PG, #3
PHI In: Lauri, #21

One of Ace Bailey, Edgecombe, or Tre Johnson to pair with Giannis for the foreseeable future while taking a wild swing that PG can give you something closer to his 2023-24 self after 8-months of rest/rehab.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The Beal one is gross.

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Why is the Beal trade gross?
Beal =/= Dame. Beal can at least play and if it doesn't work out, send him home. Same horrible contract situation.
Pat vs Royce O'Neale, and #29 overall pick
IDK, O'Neale looks like a bordleline playable guy and then you get a draft pick. You do ad on a few years.

[jakecronus8]

Screw it, let's get nuts.

MIL Out: Dame, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap
MIL In: #5, Paul George

UTA Out: Lauri, #5, #21
UTA In: Dame, #3, 2031 MIL 1st, 2032 pick swap

PHI Out: PG, #3
PHI In: Lauri, #21

One of Ace Bailey, Edgecombe, or Tre Johnson to pair with Giannis for the foreseeable future while taking a wild swing that PG can give you something closer to his 2023-24 self after 8-months of rest/rehab.

Utah boned pretty hard here.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Screw it, let's get nuts.

MIL Out: Dame, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap
MIL In: #5, Paul George

UTA Out: Lauri, #5, #21
UTA In: Dame, #3, 2031 MIL 1st, 2032 pick swap

PHI Out: PG, #3
PHI In: Lauri, #21

One of Ace Bailey, Edgecombe, or Tre Johnson to pair with Giannis for the foreseeable future while taking a wild swing that PG can give you something closer to his 2023-24 self after 8-months of rest/rehab.

George's contract is "only" an extra $60m/1yr more than dames and will at least be somewhat playable next year. Pushes out our hell another 2 years on the back end. (but I was told 2031/32 picks aren't valuable ).

[Dick Tate]

It'd be cool if Beal says he won't waive his NTC unless some of the picks acquired in the KD trade go with him.

[Ron Swanson]

Royce is a solid rotation guy still but he's 32 and that contract has 3-yrs remaining on it. You'd want a better asset coming back than just the 29th pick in this draft. Also, again, you're stuck with Beal until that contract expires. He's not an expiring that you can move next offseason. It's not the worst contract in basketball from a money/years perspective, but it's the worst practical asset in the league because it's essentially unmovable.

[Ron Swanson]

Screw it, let's get nuts.

MIL Out: Dame, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap
MIL In: #5, Paul George

UTA Out: Lauri, #5, #21
UTA In: Dame, #3, 2031 MIL 1st, 2032 pick swap

PHI Out: PG, #3
PHI In: Lauri, #21

One of Ace Bailey, Edgecombe, or Tre Johnson to pair with Giannis for the foreseeable future while taking a wild swing that PG can give you something closer to his 2023-24 self after 8-months of rest/rehab.

Utah boned pretty hard here.

If Ainge is still delusional about Lauri's value, sure, he'll probably think so. If anything I wondered if Philly would actually do this, because ultimately I don't think they would.