What type of contract is Coby like to get, and what would you be happy with?

[sco]

I think that's very unlikely. That would be a 25% increase on his scoring, and I don't expect his minutes, shots or efficiency to go up. If he does, 40 mil would suck but I'd probably try to do it if another team looked like a threat to sign him.

He probably won’t sustain it for a season, but wasn’t he pretty close to 25 PPG post-Zach trade? It wouldn’t shock me if he does it, even if it’s not overwhelmingly likely.

He was at 24.5 ppg post all star break, but on an unsustainable. 634 TS%. If he is well over 600 for a full season he'd be worth 40 mil IMO. That's just elite scoring.

I think that's the big question. Was it a end-of-season mirage (with tanking teams and teams missing guys) or a guy thriving in a bigger role? If not a mirage, I'd be thrilled to pay the man, because he was doing that without chucking a ton of shots and in the flow of the offense.

[League Circles]

He probably won’t sustain it for a season, but wasn’t he pretty close to 25 PPG post-Zach trade? It wouldn’t shock me if he does it, even if it’s not overwhelmingly likely.

He was at 24.5 ppg post all star break, but on an unsustainable. 634 TS%. If he is well over 600 for a full season he'd be worth 40 mil IMO. That's just elite scoring.

I think that's the big question. Was it a end-of-season mirage (with tanking teams and teams missing guys) or a guy thriving in a bigger role? If not a mirage, I'd be thrilled to pay the man, because he was doing that without chucking a ton of shots and in the flow of the offense.

IMO it was a guy thriving in a bigger role compounded with getting hot against weak opponents. That's why I try to just consider his numbers on the season overall, which is still very good IMO.

[jnrjr79]

He was at 24.5 ppg post all star break, but on an unsustainable. 634 TS%. If he is well over 600 for a full season he'd be worth 40 mil IMO. That's just elite scoring.

I think that's the big question. Was it a end-of-season mirage (with tanking teams and teams missing guys) or a guy thriving in a bigger role? If not a mirage, I'd be thrilled to pay the man, because he was doing that without chucking a ton of shots and in the flow of the offense.

IMO it was a guy thriving in a bigger role compounded with getting hot against weak opponents. That's why I try to just consider his numbers on the season overall, which is still very good IMO.

The one thing to bear in mind is that Coby really improved in getting to the rim during the back half of the season. it wasn’t just hot shooting.

[League Circles]

Is he eligible for a big extension at some point during next season or not til next summer? I know he's limited to something like 150% of what he's making now for an extension now which of course is why it won't be discussed.

[jnrjr79]

Is he eligible for a big extension at some point during next season or not til next summer? I know he's limited to something like 150% of what he's making now for an extension now which of course is why it won't be discussed.

He’ll never be eligible for an extension beyond the 140% of current salary he can get now (which, as you note, is below his market). He’ll be a UFA and the Bulls would effectively have to outbid any teams with cap space that are interested.

[sco]

Is he eligible for a big extension at some point during next season or not til next summer? I know he's limited to something like 150% of what he's making now for an extension now which of course is why it won't be discussed.

He’ll never be eligible for an extension beyond the 140% of current salary he can get now (which, as you note, is below his market). He’ll be a UFA and the Bulls would effectively have to outbid any teams with cap space that are interested.

You're right. I will say that if he's cemented his role as a starter and he's happy, he might give a slight discount to stay. Guys who have been with the same team and made their home in a city for years, usually stay put, all else being equal.

[jnrjr79]

Is he eligible for a big extension at some point during next season or not til next summer? I know he's limited to something like 150% of what he's making now for an extension now which of course is why it won't be discussed.

He’ll never be eligible for an extension beyond the 140% of current salary he can get now (which, as you note, is below his market). He’ll be a UFA and the Bulls would effectively have to outbid any teams with cap space that are interested.

You're right. I will say that if he's cemented his role as a starter and he's happy, he might give a slight discount to stay. Guys who have been with the same team and made their home in a city for years, usually stay put, all else being equal.

Yeah, I have no idea what his preferences are, but he’s seemed happy here and I assume likes his current lead dog role. But he’s also from Carolina and maybe he’d prefer to be in that part of the country. Who knows.

[kodo]

The post trade increase in scoring was fueled by a couple of things. One is just getting 3 more FGA per game because Lavine left, that's not going to change. The other is Coby almost doubled his FTA per game, he was attacking into contract much more post trade vs settling for fast pull up 3s from the logo. His 3PA went down a bit after the trade, even though his overall FGA went up significantly.

With this being a contract year and now with familiarity with the new style & pace, I wouldn't be surprised by ~24 ppg, a continuation of his 24.6 ppg after the trade deadline. Which would put him in the top 15 scorers in the game which are all all-stars and every single one of them making max other than Brunson's discounted contract.

Bulls need to really prepare for Coby refusing their $24M offer or whatever.

[sco]

Let me turn the Coby question around a bit. I'm a fan, but also wonder how much worse we'd be if we let Coby walk and started a resigned (ideally for around the MLE) Huerter? Huerter's value has fallen off along with his 3pt %. If he somehow regained that, his defense is definitely better than Coby's, and he could keep us at a similar level, with the added benefit of having as much as $25M to spend on bringing in another good player.

[League Circles]

Let me turn the Coby question around a bit. I'm a fan, but also wonder how much worse we'd be if we let Coby walk and started a resigned (ideally for around the MLE) Huerter? Huerter's value has fallen off along with his 3pt %. If he somehow regained that, his defense is definitely better than Coby's, and he could keep us at a similar level, with the added benefit of having as much as $25M to spend on bringing in another good player.

IMO, Huerter is not good enough to start in a good team that doesn't have a superstar. So he shouldn't. He's not bad at anything but not good either.

[Stratmaster]

There would be no reason to set a value now, unless he is willing to extend which would be 15 or 16 mil, wouldn't it? Otherwise, the coming season will be the determining factor. If he is able to play at a high level for a full season, instead of 4 or 6 weeks of it, 25-30 mil would be reasonable. Otherwise anything more than 20 mil I would be unhappy with. But again, that is a decision for a year from now; or at least the trade deadline.

Personally, if he is really rumored to want 30 mil, I hope he is traded immediately for assets, as it is likely the only card the Bulls have to play to bring back anything of value and he isn't worth anywhere close to 30 for his performance to date.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Not interested in retaining Coby anymore after that play in performance.

[kodo]

Let me turn the Coby question around a bit. I'm a fan, but also wonder how much worse we'd be if we let Coby walk and started a resigned (ideally for around the MLE) Huerter? Huerter's value has fallen off along with his 3pt %. If he somehow regained that, his defense is definitely better than Coby's, and he could keep us at a similar level, with the added benefit of having as much as $25M to spend on bringing in another good player.

They don't play the same role IMO. Huerter is a C&S guy. 85% assisted, and 93% assisted on 3s. Coby is only 51% assisted, on 2s & 3s. Huerter isn't doing anything but hitting shots someone else set up for him. If Coby walked it would be more Ayo or even THT taking over that role of creating off the dribble. Or Tre if we keep him.

Huerter can exist because Giddey as a forward does so much ballhandling & creation, on most teams your 2 guard is relied on to create off the dribble eg Jalen Williams or Haliburton (or Nembhard if you call Haliburton the PG). On most teams I think Huerter is a bench guard.

[Stratmaster]

He probably won’t sustain it for a season, but wasn’t he pretty close to 25 PPG post-Zach trade? It wouldn’t shock me if he does it, even if it’s not overwhelmingly likely.

He was at 24.5 ppg post all star break, but on an unsustainable. 634 TS%. If he is well over 600 for a full season he'd be worth 40 mil IMO. That's just elite scoring.

I think that's the big question. Was it a end-of-season mirage (with tanking teams and teams missing guys) or a guy thriving in a bigger role? If not a mirage, I'd be thrilled to pay the man, because he was doing that without chucking a ton of shots and in the flow of the offense.

IDK. In the month of March Coby either shot, went to the free throw line, or turned the ball over on almost one third of all Bulls possessions when he was on the court. I guess that is playing "within the offense flow and not chucking" if your offensive approach is based on having 2 players (Josh and Coby) be the offense. I don't feel comfortable having Coby White be one third of the offense. Especially since he has never sustained anything near that level of performance for more than one month.

[sco]

He was at 24.5 ppg post all star break, but on an unsustainable. 634 TS%. If he is well over 600 for a full season he'd be worth 40 mil IMO. That's just elite scoring.

I think that's the big question. Was it a end-of-season mirage (with tanking teams and teams missing guys) or a guy thriving in a bigger role? If not a mirage, I'd be thrilled to pay the man, because he was doing that without chucking a ton of shots and in the flow of the offense.

IDK. In the month of March Coby either shot, went to the free throw line, or turned the ball over on almost one third of all Bulls possessions when he was on the court. I guess that is playing "within the offense flow and not chucking" if your offensive approach is based on having 2 players (Josh and Coby) be the offense. I don't feel comfortable having Coby White be one third of the offense. Especially since he has never sustained anything near that level of performance for more than one month.

I get you, but he is clearly our #1 option.

[Stratmaster]

I think that's the big question. Was it a end-of-season mirage (with tanking teams and teams missing guys) or a guy thriving in a bigger role? If not a mirage, I'd be thrilled to pay the man, because he was doing that without chucking a ton of shots and in the flow of the offense.

IDK. In the month of March Coby either shot, went to the free throw line, or turned the ball over on almost one third of all Bulls possessions when he was on the court. I guess that is playing "within the offense flow and not chucking" if your offensive approach is based on having 2 players (Josh and Coby) be the offense. I don't feel comfortable having Coby White be one third of the offense. Especially since he has never sustained anything near that level of performance for more than one month.

I get you, but he is clearly our #1 option.

josh was actually approaching those same numbers in Feb/March. Basically, they accounted for about 60% of the Bulls possessions while in the game. But I am not disagreeing. The Bulls don't have a number 1 option right now. Eventually that needs to be a player not yet on the team, with Giddey as the #2, Matas as the #3, and Coby as the super 6th man. At least offensively, that could work. If only we had a guy who could consistently put up 20+ a game on consistently high efficiency, and score from any level of the court.

[TheJordanRule]

IDK. In the month of March Coby either shot, went to the free throw line, or turned the ball over on almost one third of all Bulls possessions when he was on the court. I guess that is playing "within the offense flow and not chucking" if your offensive approach is based on having 2 players (Josh and Coby) be the offense. I don't feel comfortable having Coby White be one third of the offense. Especially since he has never sustained anything near that level of performance for more than one month.

I get you, but he is clearly our #1 option.

josh was actually approaching those same numbers in Feb/March. Basically, they accounted for about 60% of the Bulls possessions while in the game. But I am not disagreeing. The Bulls don't have a number 1 option right now. Eventually that needs to be a player not yet on the team, with Giddey as the #2, Matas as the #3, and Coby as the super 6th man. At least offensively, that could work. If only we had a guy who could consistently put up 20+ a game on consistently high efficiency, and score from any level of the court.

Agreed. If Coby is gonna be part of the core, let's pay him to be a 6th man of the year type guy. I think he could fill that role. 20 mil per year. He's not built to be the #1 option on any Championship level roster.

[Bulldog23]

The only good player on this team...he deserves all of it.

[sco]

I get you, but he is clearly our #1 option.

josh was actually approaching those same numbers in Feb/March. Basically, they accounted for about 60% of the Bulls possessions while in the game. But I am not disagreeing. The Bulls don't have a number 1 option right now. Eventually that needs to be a player not yet on the team, with Giddey as the #2, Matas as the #3, and Coby as the super 6th man. At least offensively, that could work. If only we had a guy who could consistently put up 20+ a game on consistently high efficiency, and score from any level of the court.

Agreed. If Coby is gonna be part of the core, let's pay him to be a 6th man of the year type guy. I think he could fill that role. 20 mil per year. He's not built to be the #1 option on any Championship level roster.

This is probably obvious, but anyone who feels Coby is best as a 6th man, should be 200% on the let's trade this guy now, even for 2nd rounders because he's not staying for that job and he'll take less money elsewhere where he will get a starting job.

[TheHrvReport]

I'm not buying the talks of 40+ million. I think he'll be closer to 30M annually. Depending on how he plays this upcoming season, i'd like to get him at 25-32M.