Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Slim Charless]

If we get Durant everyone needs to expect the 9th pick is gone as well....The whole reason we are in the trade talks for KD to begin with is because we have an entciing 9th pick to offer....Yak/RJ or IQ straight up is not that enticing alone since they are both expiring soon and IQ has not played up to his big contract he has so far....The 9th pick is what makes us the threat for Suns to actually accept the deal....

Not saying thats a good move for us just saying the 9th pick is prolly what makes the deal from the Suns POV worth accepting....Because they get good players they want in the positions they could use while also getting a high draft pick they could either flip the pick for more upgrades or draft someone if they really like someone at 9...

It's way too early to determine whether Quickley has lived up to his contract... In the first year of his deal, he played a third of the season while being injured on/off all season, while also playing with a starting lineup that was also riddled with other injuries all season.

Yeah but just going off what other teams prolly think of IQ....Just like many say IQs value is at a low atm ....The reason it is at a low is because he got a big contract and had a injured/down season....If you are a team trading for him that will be in the back of your head.....Point is i think the reason we are even a serious threat to get KD from the Suns is because 1. We have a player Suns can use in Yak, And 2. We have the 9th pick.

We need a PG and a C, so actually you guys have 2 players we can use, in addition to the #9 pick. Additionally you're in the east which seeing as we're still trying to win, sending KD out of the conference seems smart to me.

On paper, you guys make the most sense aside from Houston-and that's cause they have our picks.

[CazOnReal]

2021/22 - Yes they made the postseason but the Thad Young trade remains one of the most consequential trades in recent memory

The fact you say things like this should make it clear that Masai has been FAR from bad.

One of our worst moves is trading from a late 1st to an early 2nd. PITCHFORKS

Not sure you're replying to the right person because I flatout said most of the post-19 years were either good or just the consequences of those prior years ie 2023/24 as opposed to painting the past 6 years as all bad like the other poster espoused.

[Clutch0z24]

It's way too early to determine whether Quickley has lived up to his contract... In the first year of his deal, he played a third of the season while being injured on/off all season, while also playing with a starting lineup that was also riddled with other injuries all season.

Yeah but just going off what other teams prolly think of IQ....Just like many say IQs value is at a low atm ....The reason it is at a low is because he got a big contract and had a injured/down season....If you are a team trading for him that will be in the back of your head.....Point is i think the reason we are even a serious threat to get KD from the Suns is because 1. We have a player Suns can use in Yak, And 2. We have the 9th pick.

We need a PG and a C, so actually you guys have 2 players we can use, in addition to the #9 pick. Additionally you're in the east which seeing as we're still trying to win, sending KD out of the conference seems smart to me.

On paper, you guys make the most sense aside from Houston-and that's cause they have our picks.

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD....From your point of view the 9th pick is prolly one of the reasons the deal would go down prolly ....Without the 9th pick involved chances are Suns do not accept a deal with us...Even for a 2026 FRP...Because if we have KD that 2026 pick is prolly in the 20s...

[YogurtProducer]

2021/22 - Yes they made the postseason but the Thad Young trade remains one of the most consequential trades in recent memory

The fact you say things like this should make it clear that Masai has been FAR from bad.

One of our worst moves is trading from a late 1st to an early 2nd. PITCHFORKS

Not sure you're replying to the right person because I flatout said most of the post-19 years were either good or just the consequences of those prior years ie 2023/24 as opposed to painting the past 6 years as all bad like the other poster espoused.

Possibly - just wanted to comment on that specifically.

[Raptors Realtor]

Yeah but just going off what other teams prolly think of IQ....Just like many say IQs value is at a low atm ....The reason it is at a low is because he got a big contract and had a injured/down season....If you are a team trading for him that will be in the back of your head.....Point is i think the reason we are even a serious threat to get KD from the Suns is because 1. We have a player Suns can use in Yak, And 2. We have the 9th pick.

We need a PG and a C, so actually you guys have 2 players we can use, in addition to the #9 pick. Additionally you're in the east which seeing as we're still trying to win, sending KD out of the conference seems smart to me.

On paper, you guys make the most sense aside from Houston-and that's cause they have our picks.

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD....From your point of view the 9th pick is prolly one of the reasons the deal would go down prolly ....Without the 9th pick involved chances are Suns do not accept a deal with us...Even for a 2026 FRP...Because if we have KD that 2026 pick is prolly in the 20s...

I can't speak for others, but for me personally it's not bias, I just have no interest in trading for 37 year old Durant because Raps aren't going to win a chip with or without Durant at this point. I'd prefer to hold onto our 2 young starters and 9th overall and keep building or trade for a younger upgrade. The window is too short with Durant and the cost is too high given his age and 1 year contract.

[tms]

KD’s too old and injury-prone for me. Cracked 72 games just twice the past eleven years. We’d have to load-manage him like crazy, and lack the depth we had with Kawhi. I don’t mind peddling FRPs but also not about to drop multiple on a 37 yo and/or 3+ on Giannis. I do think it’s time to move on from Scottie, tho. Loved the pick but he’s peaked imo. Rather sell high than wait for the rest of the league to realize it too (provided they haven’t already). Pivotal summer coming up for Bobby no matter how you look at it.

[Clutch0z24]

We need a PG and a C, so actually you guys have 2 players we can use, in addition to the #9 pick. Additionally you're in the east which seeing as we're still trying to win, sending KD out of the conference seems smart to me.

On paper, you guys make the most sense aside from Houston-and that's cause they have our picks.

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD....From your point of view the 9th pick is prolly one of the reasons the deal would go down prolly ....Without the 9th pick involved chances are Suns do not accept a deal with us...Even for a 2026 FRP...Because if we have KD that 2026 pick is prolly in the 20s...

I can't speak for others, but for me personally it's not bias, I just have no interest in trading for 37 year old Durant because Raps aren't going to win a chip with or without Durant at this point. I'd prefer to hold onto our 2 young starters and 9th overall and keep building or trade for a younger upgrade. The window is too short with Durant and the cost is too high given his age and 1 year contract.

What i mean by bias is we are all biased in that everyone does not even want KD on this team and if it were up to all of us we would keep the team as is and run it back....But thats Bias from our point of view....Masai is interested in KD obviously and what im saying is what it would actually take for Suns to accept a deal with us....It will not just take Yak one of IQ/RJ....The 9th pick is prolly one of the more enticing assets we have to offer which Suns prolly value that pick alot if they make a trade with us...

By bias i mean most of us do not want the trade to go down so we are saying "We can't involve 9th pick" But if Masai is actually putting out offers for KD it most likely involves the 9th pick as well imo...

[Zeno]

KD’s too old and injury-prone for me. Cracked 72 games just twice the past eleven years. We’d have to load-manage him like crazy, and lack the depth we had with Kawhi. I don’t mind peddling FRPs but also not about to drop multiple on a 37 yo and/or 3+ on Giannis. I do think it’s time to move on from Scottie, tho. Loved the pick but he’s peaked imo. Rather sell high than wait for the rest of the league to realize it too (provided they haven’t already). Pivotal summer coming up for Bobby no matter how you look at it.

I think you are quite wrong about Scottie. As a first option, I do agree about him peaking but as far as filling a role as an elite 2nd option(those guys get max too generally) I think he has been making excellent progress. This is why I think we went after Ingram(on the cheap) and have apparent interest in KD(though I am not sure that is a great idea).

[Raptors Realtor]

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD....From your point of view the 9th pick is prolly one of the reasons the deal would go down prolly ....Without the 9th pick involved chances are Suns do not accept a deal with us...Even for a 2026 FRP...Because if we have KD that 2026 pick is prolly in the 20s...

I can't speak for others, but for me personally it's not bias, I just have no interest in trading for 37 year old Durant because Raps aren't going to win a chip with or without Durant at this point. I'd prefer to hold onto our 2 young starters and 9th overall and keep building or trade for a younger upgrade. The window is too short with Durant and the cost is too high given his age and 1 year contract.

What i mean by bias is we are all biased in that everyone does not even want KD on this team and if it were up to all of us we would keep the team as is and run it back....But thats Bias from our point of view....Masai is interested in KD obviously and what im saying is what it would actually take for Suns to accept a deal with us....It will not just take Yak one of IQ/RJ....The 9th pick is prolly one of the more enticing assets we have to offer which Suns prolly value that pick alot if they make a trade with us...

By bias i mean most of us do not want the trade to go down so we are saying "We can't involve 9th pick" But if Masai is actually putting out offers for KD it most likely involves the 9th pick as well imo...

Ok, but that's not what you wrote... You were saying that the offers some posters suggested were biased because right or wrong you didn't believe it was enough to get KD.

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD.

[tms]

KD’s too old and injury-prone for me. Cracked 72 games just twice the past eleven years. We’d have to load-manage him like crazy, and lack the depth we had with Kawhi. I don’t mind peddling FRPs but also not about to drop multiple on a 37 yo and/or 3+ on Giannis. I do think it’s time to move on from Scottie, tho. Loved the pick but he’s peaked imo. Rather sell high than wait for the rest of the league to realize it too (provided they haven’t already). Pivotal summer coming up for Bobby no matter how you look at it.

I think you are quite wrong about Scottie. As a first option, I do agree about him peaking but as far as filling a role as an elite 2nd option(those guys get max too generally) I think he has been making excellent progress. This is why I think we went after Ingram(on the cheap) and have apparent interest in KD(though I am not sure that is a great idea).

Oh I think he's a solid #2. Just skeptical of landing a #1 without including him in the deal. Granted, I haven't been paying attention to what the rumours are saying lol

[Clutch0z24]

I can't speak for others, but for me personally it's not bias, I just have no interest in trading for 37 year old Durant because Raps aren't going to win a chip with or without Durant at this point. I'd prefer to hold onto our 2 young starters and 9th overall and keep building or trade for a younger upgrade. The window is too short with Durant and the cost is too high given his age and 1 year contract.

What i mean by bias is we are all biased in that everyone does not even want KD on this team and if it were up to all of us we would keep the team as is and run it back....But thats Bias from our point of view....Masai is interested in KD obviously and what im saying is what it would actually take for Suns to accept a deal with us....It will not just take Yak one of IQ/RJ....The 9th pick is prolly one of the more enticing assets we have to offer which Suns prolly value that pick alot if they make a trade with us...

By bias i mean most of us do not want the trade to go down so we are saying "We can't involve 9th pick" But if Masai is actually putting out offers for KD it most likely involves the 9th pick as well imo...

Ok, but that's not what your wrote... You were saying that the offers some posters suggested were biased because right or wrong you didn't believe it was enough to get KD.

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD.

Yeah thats a bias point of view....Alot of posters are saying Yak/IQ or RJ is enough to get the Suns to agree to a deal....When it prolly is not enough ....Thats just the deal alot of posters and Raptor fans HOPE thats all it would take to get KD....Reality is the 9th pick is prolly involved in that trade if the KD to Raptors does happen.....Thats all im saying....The 9th pick is the reason we are even involved in the KD trades to begin with....Without the 9th pick involved doubt the Suns have interest....

Point is Masai is obviously very interested in bringing KD to this team (Not the fans or this board) And the reports by cred reporters suggest we are involving the 9th pick along with the players in trade talks for KD....So most likely the Suns are only interested in dealing with us if that 9th pick is involved...

[Slim Charless]

What i mean by bias is we are all biased in that everyone does not even want KD on this team and if it were up to all of us we would keep the team as is and run it back....But thats Bias from our point of view....Masai is interested in KD obviously and what im saying is what it would actually take for Suns to accept a deal with us....It will not just take Yak one of IQ/RJ....The 9th pick is prolly one of the more enticing assets we have to offer which Suns prolly value that pick alot if they make a trade with us...

By bias i mean most of us do not want the trade to go down so we are saying "We can't involve 9th pick" But if Masai is actually putting out offers for KD it most likely involves the 9th pick as well imo...

Ok, but that's not what your wrote... You were saying that the offers some posters suggested were biased because right or wrong you didn't believe it was enough to get KD.

Yeah it sounds like alot of posters here (Biased obviously) Say Yak/IQ or RJ would be enough to get KD.

Yeah thats a bias point of view....Alot of posters are saying Yak/IQ or RJ is enough to get the Suns to agree to a deal....When it prolly is not enough ....Thats just the deal alot of posters and Raptor fans HOPE thats all it would take to get KD....Reality is the 9th pick is prolly involved in that trade if the KD to Raptors does happen.....Thats all im saying....The 9th pick is the reason we are even involved in the KD trades to begin with....Without the 9th pick involved doubt the Suns have interest....

Point is Masai is obviously very interested in bringing KD to this team (Not the fans or this board) And the reports by cred reporters suggest we are involving the 9th pick along with the players in trade talks for KD....So most likely the Suns are only interested in dealing with us if that 9th pick is involved...

I think our biggest hole-and most Suns fans would agree is that we lack a PG. So I would assume the deal has to have IQ in it-unless the team wants 1 of those Euro PGs (Demin/Jakucionus) at your pick.

Me personally, I'd like to get the pick, Peotl and IQ, then maybe send IQ and our #29 onto to New Orleans for Zion.

For you guys, Scottie and KD seem like they'd be a great fit together and the east will be very weak next year. I dont see any reason why you can't be there with Indy/CLV/NYC with the scoring you'll have.

[Zeno]

KD’s too old and injury-prone for me. Cracked 72 games just twice the past eleven years. We’d have to load-manage him like crazy, and lack the depth we had with Kawhi. I don’t mind peddling FRPs but also not about to drop multiple on a 37 yo and/or 3+ on Giannis. I do think it’s time to move on from Scottie, tho. Loved the pick but he’s peaked imo. Rather sell high than wait for the rest of the league to realize it too (provided they haven’t already). Pivotal summer coming up for Bobby no matter how you look at it.

I think you are quite wrong about Scottie. As a first option, I do agree about him peaking but as far as filling a role as an elite 2nd option(those guys get max too generally) I think he has been making excellent progress. This is why I think we went after Ingram(on the cheap) and have apparent interest in KD(though I am not sure that is a great idea).

Oh I think he's a solid #2. Just skeptical of landing a #1 without including him in the deal. Granted, I haven't been paying attention to what the rumours are saying lol

I hope that he can be more than solid as a number 2 eventually which makes the need for a number 1 that is absolute top tier less necessary. I think that Ingram as a flier is a sort of proof of concept for this. If he stays healthy of course. Big if. But then if they become a middling playoff team, they have the ability to move to the next level for one of those full draft type deals. Anyway that is how I make sense of what they are doing. Obviously just a guess.

[Raptors Realtor]

Ok, but that's not what your wrote... You were saying that the offers some posters suggested were biased because right or wrong you didn't believe it was enough to get KD.

Yeah thats a bias point of view....Alot of posters are saying Yak/IQ or RJ is enough to get the Suns to agree to a deal....When it prolly is not enough ....Thats just the deal alot of posters and Raptor fans HOPE thats all it would take to get KD....Reality is the 9th pick is prolly involved in that trade if the KD to Raptors does happen.....Thats all im saying....The 9th pick is the reason we are even involved in the KD trades to begin with....Without the 9th pick involved doubt the Suns have interest....

Point is Masai is obviously very interested in bringing KD to this team (Not the fans or this board) And the reports by cred reporters suggest we are involving the 9th pick along with the players in trade talks for KD....So most likely the Suns are only interested in dealing with us if that 9th pick is involved...

I think our biggest hole-and most Suns fans would agree is that we lack a PG. So I would assume the deal has to have IQ in it-unless the team wants 1 of those Euro PGs (Demin/Jakucionus) at your pick.

Me personally, I'd like to get the pick, Peotl and IQ, then maybe send IQ and our #29 onto to New Orleans for Zion.

For you guys, Scottie and KD seem like they'd be a great fit together and the east will be very weak next year. I dont see any reason why you can't be there with Indy/CLV/NYC with the scoring you'll have.

I can think of a couple reasons... We wouldn't have a starting PG or starting C, not to mention we don't even currently have a backup C... so we'd be opening up 2 holes in our starting lineup without the ability to fill them adequately once we factor in Durant's $55M salary.

[xAIRNESSx]

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[Merit]

Sounds like the deal we offered to Suns ....Yak/RJ or Quick/9th pick for KD/29th pick.....Sounds like we already made that offer for KD....Wonder if that will get it done but i won't be shocked if it does...

Sounds like the Suns posturing to get a better offer from other teams. Like unless the raptors get a better center on a better contract than Jak, why do they move him? RJ/IQ could be on the table along with the 9 for an upgrade but Jak? I’m not certain.

[Merit]

IQ being moved would actually surprise me - feels like his value is at an all-time low and is only going to improve especially with his contact being flat.

We also need a point guard that is capable.

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Eeew. What bench? Why only one guard?

[Merit]

Sounds like the deal we offered to Suns ....Yak/RJ or Quick/9th pick for KD/29th pick.....Sounds like we already made that offer for KD....Wonder if that will get it done but i won't be shocked if it does...

Nobody knows what actually was offered, if Toronto is actually offering anything. Please dont take rumours and present them as facts.

Thats deff a legit report....Them guys are in the know know in the NBA....These players are 100 percent on the table, and the 9th pick is on the table....Thats prolly the package we offered the Suns for KD based on this report....I won't be shocked if Suns take that offer as well...

Reporters are legit, but they’re also posturing for other teams.

[Merit]

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[Slim Charless]

Yeah thats a bias point of view....Alot of posters are saying Yak/IQ or RJ is enough to get the Suns to agree to a deal....When it prolly is not enough ....Thats just the deal alot of posters and Raptor fans HOPE thats all it would take to get KD....Reality is the 9th pick is prolly involved in that trade if the KD to Raptors does happen.....Thats all im saying....The 9th pick is the reason we are even involved in the KD trades to begin with....Without the 9th pick involved doubt the Suns have interest....

Point is Masai is obviously very interested in bringing KD to this team (Not the fans or this board) And the reports by cred reporters suggest we are involving the 9th pick along with the players in trade talks for KD....So most likely the Suns are only interested in dealing with us if that 9th pick is involved...

I think our biggest hole-and most Suns fans would agree is that we lack a PG. So I would assume the deal has to have IQ in it-unless the team wants 1 of those Euro PGs (Demin/Jakucionus) at your pick.

Me personally, I'd like to get the pick, Peotl and IQ, then maybe send IQ and our #29 onto to New Orleans for Zion.

For you guys, Scottie and KD seem like they'd be a great fit together and the east will be very weak next year. I dont see any reason why you can't be there with Indy/CLV/NYC with the scoring you'll have.

I can think of a couple reasons... We wouldn't have a starting PG or starting C, not to mention we don't even currently have a backup C... so we'd be opening up 2 holes in our starting lineup without the ability to fill them adequately once we factor in Durant's $60M salary.

Yeah. I've thought about that. We can send Nick Richards and/or our #29 pick. That would help bridge the gap IMO.

Richardson isn't much but he played well back in Charlotte and he can do the basics. With Scottie and KD there to handle the ball, you won't need a true PG. A 3&D guy might be enough.....