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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#741 » by Zeno » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:58 pm

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My 5 favorites based on Raptors fit/intel/BPA:

1. Khaman Maluach - obvious upside and need at 9 - perfect match, plus the tie into African ball probably gives Toronto the most connection to the player.
2. Kon Kneuppel - If KM is gone KK is BPA at 9 and despite overlap with other guards he is a special talent with shooting, playmaking and IQ.
3. Derik Queen - has obvious talent and drive to win, WME client which is the same agency as Barnes, Dick, and RJ.
4. Colin Murray-Boyles - hardest worker, DPOY-type, unselfish team guy ready to play the OG role.
5. Hugo Gonzalez - well-scouted, high IQ defensive wing that offers slashing. Lotto level athlete with personality and drive to win.

Edit/ the biggest shocker would be Ace Bailey failing to 9. He'd supersede all others if he was there, but it just doesn't seem realistic.

The only factor that I learned recently is that Bailey's weird draft process may be due in part to his agent which is acting independently - he is Shariff Cooper's dad, who has no other clients and doesn't understand what he's doing. He could have torpedoed Bailey's stock by declining workouts and making Ace seem a lot like Cam Whitmore during his draft cycle.

I fairly certain that Kon is gone by 9. In fact I have a feeling he goes top 4.


I think so too, but guys drop every year that don't make sense, and I think Kon being a mediocre athlete might be a reason why. He seems to a pretty big range on mocks from what I can tell.

For sure, also it sounds like you should brace yourself for us passing on a dropping Ace at 9. Unless this is all an orchestrated attempt to pick his team, I will be surprised we’d ever take him. I am really hoping he doesn’t drop just for peace on the board.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#742 » by Dalek » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:03 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111



Some of the guys who weren't 5 star recruits and didn't start off with as much preseason hype:

4 Star:
Carter Bryant
Kasparas Jakucionis
Jase Richardson
Thomas Sorber
Jeremiah Fears

Unranked:
Cedric Coward
Danny Wolf
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Walter Clayton Jr.
Chaz Lanier


CMB is top on my list, and I am surprised you didn't mention him. He is a four-star recruit, but aside from being unheralded he improved every facet of his game in year two while going from a roleplayer in year one to their offensive and defensive hub in year two. He was on a terrible team in the SEC so he was tested night in night out and still produced.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#743 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:05 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111



Some of the guys who weren't 5 star recruits and didn't start off with as much preseason hype:

4 Star:
Carter Bryant
Kasparas Jakucionis
Jase Richardson
Thomas Sorber
Jeremiah Fears

Unranked:
Cedric Coward
Danny Wolf
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Walter Clayton Jr.
Chaz Lanier


ya they like wolf
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#744 » by Yeezus_ » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:06 pm

Kon’s interview with Bill Simmons was good to listen to
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#745 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:06 pm

2019 vs 2025

1. Zion - Flagg
2. Morant - Harper
3. RJ Barrett - Tre Johnson
4. D Hunter - Ace Bailey
5. D Garland - Edgecombe
6. J Culver - ????
7. C White - Fears
8. J Hayes - Maluach
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#746 » by Dalek » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:07 pm

Zeno wrote:
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Zeno wrote:I fairly certain that Kon is gone by 9. In fact I have a feeling he goes top 4.


I think so too, but guys drop every year that don't make sense, and I think Kon being a mediocre athlete might be a reason why. He seems to a pretty big range on mocks from what I can tell.

For sure, also it sounds like you should brace yourself for us passing on a dropping Ace at 9. Unless this is all an orchestrated attempt to pick his team, I will be surprised we’d ever take him. I am really hoping he doesn’t drop just for peace on the board.


It would be hilarious if Ace dropped and we have to make a decision. It would be way more epic than the Gradey over Cam Whitemore debate.

Ultimately, it might be just like Lamelo Ball where he gets trashed in the media prior to the draft day and still gets picked high because there are a lot of desperate teams who need star power and will overlook character flaws.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#747 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:31 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#748 » by Spates » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:54 pm

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XTC wrote:While flawed, the average PER of the last 10 #9 picks is 13.4, their BPM is -1.4, and their average VORP is 1.2... there have been a total of 0 allstars.

Anyone expecting a star with the #9 pick is seriously hoping for a miracle. The chances are so slim.

With all due respect such a take is a negligent use of statistics.

An accurate probability of finding superstardom at 9 should include 9 and all the subsequent picks. Just because teams haven't selected a star doesn't mean that stars aren't available.


Which is why I said its a flawed. Giannis was picked #15, Jokic in the second round, and Shai was the #11 pick. A star can be picked everywhere, but history shows your chances of acquiring a star after #5 is super slim.

BPM isn't the issue. It's your conclusion being based on a bad premise—that there are no stars available @ 9 based solely on evaluation of 9th picks. Stars have been picked after 9 in the past 10 drafts therefore it's natural to infer that stars are available at nine. Whether one is selected is a matter of good scouting, not probability.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#749 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:59 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#750 » by HangTime » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:19 pm

Here's 2 questions, of all the guys in 1-14 range,

1) Who's most likely to need a G-leauge assignment,

2)of those guys, Who'd get upset if they were assigned to the G-leauge
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#751 » by dagger » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:36 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#752 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:36 pm

HangTime wrote:Here's 2 questions, of all the guys in 1-14 range,

1) Who's most likely to need a G-leauge assignment,

2)of those guys, Who'd get upset if they were assigned to the G-leauge


If you are trying to win now (Philly) Ace Bailey
And he's also they guy who'd hate it.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#753 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:37 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#754 » by CoinTossRoss31 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:39 pm

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Maybe we swap 9 for 7 and throw in a couple future seconds? Lets us get Maluach
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#755 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:42 pm

HangTime wrote:Here's 2 questions, of all the guys in 1-14 range,

1) Who's most likely to need a G-leauge assignment,

2)of those guys, Who'd get upset if they were assigned to the G-leauge


Queen, Maluach, Fears.

Probably Queen would be the most upset.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#756 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:47 pm

This dude on the nba draft reddit posted something interesting. The hit rate on 1st round wings with long wingspans has been pretty good recently.

All the wings / jumbo wings taken in the 1st round with 7'2+ wingspans:

24/25: None
23/24: Jarace Walker, Bilal Coulibaly
22/23: Tari Eason, Jalen Williams
21/22: Scottie Barnes
20/21: None
19/20: P.J. Washington, Rui Hachimura
18/19: Jaren Jackson
17/18: OG Anunoby
16/17: Skal Labissiere, Pascal Siakam
15/16: Bobby Portis, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

The guys who qualify in this current draft:

Cedric Coward
Rasheer Fleming


Nothing scientific, but interesting.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#757 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:50 pm

I've come around at Hansen Yang. If can trade 9 for 13 and 22, I'd take him at #22. Or trade Agbaji and #39 to get a 1st pick to get Yang.

He looks a lot stronger than last year and this bodes well for the future. It seems like he can continue to get fitter in the GLeague. He actually looks like he knows how to guard on the perimeter unlike Maluach.

What makes Maluach mucher better than Yang?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#758 » by Dalek » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:56 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:This dude on the nba draft reddit posted something interesting. The hit rate on wings with long wingspans has been pretty good recently.

All the wings / jumbo wings taken in the 1st round with 7'2+ wingspans:

24/25: None
23/24: Jarace Walker, Bilal Coulibaly
22/23: Tari Eason, Jalen Williams
21/22: Scottie Barnes
20/21: None
19/20: P.J. Washington, Rui Hachimura
18/19: Jaren Jackson
17/18: OG Anunoby
16/17: Skal Labissiere, Pascal Siakam
15/16: Bobby Portis, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
14.15: Jerami Grant

The guys who qualify in this current draft:

Cedric Coward
Rasheer Fleming


Is this list even accurate? Grant was picked 39th in his draft JJJ is not a wing or SF. Where is Cody Williams? Surprised he is not 7'2 ws. Even Zeke Nanji was a first round pick too and he sucked.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#759 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:02 pm

Dalek wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:This dude on the nba draft reddit posted something interesting. The hit rate on wings with long wingspans has been pretty good recently.

All the wings / jumbo wings taken in the 1st round with 7'2+ wingspans:

24/25: None
23/24: Jarace Walker, Bilal Coulibaly
22/23: Tari Eason, Jalen Williams
21/22: Scottie Barnes
20/21: None
19/20: P.J. Washington, Rui Hachimura
18/19: Jaren Jackson
17/18: OG Anunoby
16/17: Skal Labissiere, Pascal Siakam
15/16: Bobby Portis, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
14.15: Jerami Grant

The guys who qualify in this current draft:

Cedric Coward
Rasheer Fleming


Is this list even accurate? Grant was picked 39th in his draft JJJ is not a wing or SF. Where is Cody Williams? Surprised he is not 7'2 ws. Even Zeke Nanji was a first round pick too and he sucked.


I extended his initial list. You're right about Grant, he shouldn't be included. I added JJJ because he does play the 4 and he's a 3pt shooter. Cody Williams measured at 7'1.

I wouldn't take this list too seriously because the 7'2 cutoff is random, just thought it was kinda interesting.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#760 » by tms » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:12 pm

I've liked Hugo all year. Not sure why he's played sparingly for Real - and I'm not saying he's the next Luka- but I think he'll have a long NBA career w/ his size, smarts and motor. Problem is we're in no spot to nab him unless we make a move.

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