The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[RaisingArizona]

because the Suns needed another SG after already having Booker and Beal

[Saberestar]

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Amick is reliable and what he is saying here makes sense.

We have tried to accommodate KD in one of his 3 favorite destinations but all three are giving us garbage offers.

We have some teams that are making better offers for him, clearly Wolves one of them and we are trying to convince KD to accept one of those teams.

It's getting togethet to the middle ground. We will not try to trade him to a **** team/organization and we will accept only decent value for him BUT he can help us accepting one of those destinations.

The easiest path would be the Heat improving their offer with more picks or adding a young player... but they are not doing it for now. I think we would prefer to trade him to the East.

[BobbieL]

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Amick is reliable and what he is saying here makes sense.

We have tried to accommodate KD in one of his 3 favorite destinations but all three are giving us garbage offers.

We have some teams that are making better offers for him, clearly Wolves one of them and we are trying to convince KD to accept one of those teams.

It's getting togethet to the middle ground. We will not try to trade him to a **** team/organization and we will accept only decent value for him BUT he can help us accepting one of those destinations.

The easiest path would be the Heat improving their offer with more picks or adding a young player... but they are not doing it for now. I think we would prefer to trade him to the East.

It will be the Rockets!

[Puff]

Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?

Maybe he wouldn't. However, maybe wants to cut ties with Morant. They have salary room to absorb KD and draft picks.

Would you take Ja and a butt load of draft picks for KD?

Why would KD go there without Ja? Why would they trade "boatload of picks" on top of Ja for 37 yr old KD, since they'd be rebuilding if Ja isn't there?

That makes 0 sense.

The trade-if it happens is to pair KD and Ja. Obviously.

I agree with you. I am just trying to contemplate what a trade of KD to Memphis would look like. Ja or Jaren Jackson would have to be included unless they can absorb KD's entire salary. If they want to trade Jaren Jackson, I would be interested but I think he is off the table. With all the trouble Morant has brought to the table with carrying fire arms pointed fingers and injuries maybe they want to get rid of those issues. Supposedly they traded Bane so they could take care of Jackson. Where in the world does KD fit into this equation. You also have Stephen A Smith saying Memphis is unsafe.

Botton line this is just another wild unrealistic place for Kd to end up.

[SkyBill40]

Some of these deals are better than others, but I think we need to be realistic here and accept the fact we aren't going to be getting anywhere close to return for Durant against what we sent out to acquire him. Ishbia seems to think he's still some super hot commodity when the truth is that he's nowhere close to it.

[sunsbg]

KD trade started this disaster last two seasons. While the return may not be even half of what Mat gave, let's hope at least it's a start of something good. Next Beal and Booker need to go.

[bwgood77]

The best two offers (presumably) are from the Wolves and Raptors.

Wolves offer is good for our present and our future. Gobert and DiVincenzo would be floor raisers for our team. Dillingham and #17 give us two youngsters.

Dillingham is an interesting PG. With his physical profile his worst NBA season is probably behind him already, he was too skinny as a 19 yo rookie.

His scoring ability and tight handles make him a fun player to watch...mini Iverson.

I didn't know much about Dillingham, so looked him up. Yes, fairly small at 6'2, but in his 1 year at Kentucky (where it's hard to put up good stats and shoot well as a Freshman), he averaged over 15 ppg, with 3.9 apg to 2 topg, and 1 steal per game, But maybe more importantly, that is in only 23 mpg.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/rob-dillingham-1.html

Per 36 his #s in college are 23.5, 6 apg, 4.5 rpg, 1.6 spg.

I decided to try and compare him to another Kentucky guard, and he beats him in a lot of categories, though of course he doesn't have the size. But he shot better than Jamal Murray as a freshman from 2, way better from 3 and from the line. He was also the FAR better assist guy and had 60% more steals per minute.

https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rob-dillingham--jamal-murray

[bwgood77]

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The Suns need to just take this offer and run with it. It gives them multiple tradable assets/ salaries to work with, the highest lotto pick they're going to get for KD, a starting center and starting caliber point Guard.

And they could trade back in the draft with Brooklyn for Cam Johnson and/ or Claxton using the 9th pick and also pull more draft bbn picks to take swings on cumulatively! This is easily the best deal out there under the current KD destination conditions!

I'd do this trade immediately, then trade Barrett and the 9th pick to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson/ 19th, 26th, 36th picks and a 28' BRK 1st (top 10 protected).

Then I'd look to trade Poetl/ Oneale/ CLE 29' 1st to either Washington for Marcus Smart/ 18th pick/ 40th pick.
OR to Charlotte for Nurkic expiring/ Salaune/ Williams/ DAL 27' 1st.
Or to Chicago for Vucevic/ Ball/ 45th pick/ CHI 28' 2nd.

That offer seems so ridiculosu for Toronto given where there team is in their rebuild. Makes zero sense unless, as I mentioned before, they wnat to dump those bad contracts of Barrett and Poeltl to clear massive cap space, and think it's worth throwing 9 in a bad draft to do it (as well as Quickley), and feel they could move KD at the deadline for a better offer, and revamp their entire team and cap space by using us.

[Saberestar]

Talked to some people close to Anthony Edwards," said Marc J. Spears on Wednesday's episode of NBA Today.

"This is a non-story. He's in Atlanta working out. He loves his former teammate. He loves his current teammates. Some people close to me said he's focused on what's next with this team. And he's not flying to L.A. to try to convince K.D. anything different."

Windhorst:

"That's legitimately an important piece of information. Ant Edwards is not recruiting Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant says he doesn't want to be in Minnesota. The deal is not done. This is not heading towards Minnesota. Obviously things can change. This is not heading like Durant is going to Minnesota. Spears is making it very clear the way Ant is feeling."

[bwgood77]

You might have posted before but what is your take on Jabari as a young player?

I think Jabari Smith Jr is pretty solid. He's still got a higher ceiling than what people understand yet due to his defensive awareness, motor, physicality. He'll never be a 1A alpha star and is more of a 3rd tier star player, but he projects pretty well as a high end starter. I like the possibility of him being more of a mix of a poor man's Jaren Jackson Jr and maybe a better Antwan Jamison than comparing him to Rashard Lewis or a Chris Bosch.

He's very solid, but not really the elite shooter that Lewis was, and also not as dynamically versatile as Bosch either. Hyst a very solid two way 3 & D archetype big with impressive defensive playmaking skills.

That aligns with my view. I do see him similar to a poor man's JJJr at his positions 3/4. I really like his playmaking ability and while I'd like to see better shooting stats, he's at least confident enough to take a good number of them each game. Of course, his defense is probably his calling card right now, absolutely love the activity, ability to switch and just being super long and disrupting everything. Also a really good rebounder as well, which isn't always a given in spite of size.

I'm all in on the guy.

I've always liked Jabari Smith Jr in theory, and it's nice to have a PF that can hit 3s. I don't know how good his defense is, but obviously JJJ is one of the best in the NBA. Also, JJJ averages 1.6 blk and 1.2 spg while Jabari Smith is at .7 and .4. Those are VERY low #s for a PF of his size, which worries me a little for projection purposes. Tari Eason is similar in a lot of areas, though he averages 1.7 spg in over 5 fewer minutes. Steals has always been seen as the best long term translation of college/NBA guys, so that has me a little concerned about his upside overall including defense. I wonder who Houston values more highlly, Smith or Eason. Eason also shoots significantly better from 2 (55.7% vs 51.9%), and slighly worse from 3. Smith is younger though and I do like him.

[BobbieL]

KD trade started this disaster last two seasons. While the return may not be even half of what Mat gave, let's hope at least it's a start of something good. Next Beal and Booker need to go.

Both will be on the Suns unless Ishbia watched PHNX_SUNS youtube yesterday and follows Eriks advice of trading Beal to Chicago with a bunch of draft picks going to Chicago - some from Miami and some from Phoenix

As that is the only way for a team to take on Beal - trade picks. And for me, too much to give up. Trading Beal is a losing proposition

[bwgood77]

Yall know real and fake insiders get paid to push propaganda right?

That's the thing about all the Raptors tweets...it's mostly Sidery or Suns fan accounts. Stein did mention him in that podcast but he also wants subscribers and knows the Raps have a huge fanbase. He may have just seen Sidery's tweets and mentioned "he's heard"...

I don't think Masai really leaks either. I think Shams would know too...anything from him?

[bwgood77]

Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?

Why not? We know ISH is after JJJ

JJJ is tricky as he only makes 23.4 and is due for an extension
Cole Anthony cannot be combined in a trade I do not believe
and I don't think KCP can as well since the trade was official and I am not sure either can be traded for 60 dyas

C'mon you guys...I tried to ignore...we are not getting JJJ for KD. JJJ is better than KD at this point overall and is a top 15 player in the NBA.

If we got a big name offered from Memphis it wound be Ja....doubtful and I don't know but their backup PG played well this season and they could plug him in along with Wells, KD, JJJ and Edey. Ja is injured a lot too.

[bwgood77]

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Didn't see this on my last post, not that I expected a Ja offer anyway....but certainly would be more likely than JJJ.

[Sunsdeuce]

This is why I don’t like the heat deal

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/107964/

“The more people I talk to, the more it seems to be Spoelstra who wants this deal,” Skolnick said on the Off The Floor Discord.

The reality for Spoelstra is any combination of players Miami packages to acquire Durant will not significantly impact the lineups he rolled out in 2025. Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Jaime Jaquez Jr., and Kel’el Ware are four of the most rumored contributors to be included, none of whom Spoelstra used extensively last season.”

Even Spotstrea knows the players in the deal talked about were trash from the heat.

[bwgood77]

Ultimately it will be interesting to see what we traded Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, 4 unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap for.

I expect to be uninspired so hopefully I'm happily surprised.


Also, I wonder where we will rank on the over/under for wins in the west next season. I think the main question is will we be ranked higher or lower than Portland, New Orleans and Sacramento. I think we will be for sure above Utah. Maybe 1 or 2 of those. I think we will be below all the others.

[BobbieL]

Ultimately it will be interesting to see what we traded Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, 4 unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap for.

I expect to be uninspired so hopefully I'm happily surprised.


Also, I wonder where we will rank on the over/under for wins in the west next season. I think the main question is will we be ranked higher or lower than Portland, New Orleans and Sacramento. I think we will be for sure above Utah. Maybe 1 or 2 of those. I think we will be below all the others.

I think you are correct with your predictions - even with Gobert type team. Which is why I want the trade to be the longer view, more upside potential. But my guess, Ishbia's goal is to be as competitive as possibly and 35 wins is more ideal than 25 wins. Where I think building something longer term - so that means being smart with Beal, using O'Neale and Allen on either expirings or younger potential, makes more sense

[Sunsdeuce]

At this point. Force the Raptors to throw in another draft pick and call it a day.

[Slim Charless]

I think Jabari Smith Jr is pretty solid. He's still got a higher ceiling than what people understand yet due to his defensive awareness, motor, physicality. He'll never be a 1A alpha star and is more of a 3rd tier star player, but he projects pretty well as a high end starter. I like the possibility of him being more of a mix of a poor man's Jaren Jackson Jr and maybe a better Antwan Jamison than comparing him to Rashard Lewis or a Chris Bosch.

He's very solid, but not really the elite shooter that Lewis was, and also not as dynamically versatile as Bosch either. Hyst a very solid two way 3 & D archetype big with impressive defensive playmaking skills.

That aligns with my view. I do see him similar to a poor man's JJJr at his positions 3/4. I really like his playmaking ability and while I'd like to see better shooting stats, he's at least confident enough to take a good number of them each game. Of course, his defense is probably his calling card right now, absolutely love the activity, ability to switch and just being super long and disrupting everything. Also a really good rebounder as well, which isn't always a given in spite of size.

I'm all in on the guy.

I've always liked Jabari Smith Jr in theory, and it's nice to have a PF that can hit 3s. I don't know how good his defense is, but obviously JJJ is one of the best in the NBA. Also, JJJ averages 1.6 blk and 1.2 spg while Jabari Smith is at .7 and .4. Those are VERY low #s for a PF of his size, which worries me a little for projection purposes. Tari Eason is similar in a lot of areas, though he averages 1.7 spg in over 5 fewer minutes. Steals has always been seen as the best long term translation of college/NBA guys, so that has me a little concerned about his upside overall including defense. I wonder who Houston values more highlly, Smith or Eason. Eason also shoots significantly better from 2 (55.7% vs 51.9%), and slighly worse from 3. Smith is younger though and I do like him.

BW, you'll love this. I'm bringing back the classics with my trades:

What if we use KD to leverage into a Zion deal?


Toronto: Durant

Pels: Quickly/Grayson

Us: Zion/Poetl/#9

Take a PG like the Jakucionus kid from Illinois and..

Jaku
Booker
Dunn
Zion
Poetl

Beal/Richards/Oso off the bench.

[bwgood77]

That aligns with my view. I do see him similar to a poor man's JJJr at his positions 3/4. I really like his playmaking ability and while I'd like to see better shooting stats, he's at least confident enough to take a good number of them each game. Of course, his defense is probably his calling card right now, absolutely love the activity, ability to switch and just being super long and disrupting everything. Also a really good rebounder as well, which isn't always a given in spite of size.

I'm all in on the guy.

I've always liked Jabari Smith Jr in theory, and it's nice to have a PF that can hit 3s. I don't know how good his defense is, but obviously JJJ is one of the best in the NBA. Also, JJJ averages 1.6 blk and 1.2 spg while Jabari Smith is at .7 and .4. Those are VERY low #s for a PF of his size, which worries me a little for projection purposes. Tari Eason is similar in a lot of areas, though he averages 1.7 spg in over 5 fewer minutes. Steals has always been seen as the best long term translation of college/NBA guys, so that has me a little concerned about his upside overall including defense. I wonder who Houston values more highlly, Smith or Eason. Eason also shoots significantly better from 2 (55.7% vs 51.9%), and slighly worse from 3. Smith is younger though and I do like him.

BW, you'll love this. I'm bringing back the classics with my trades:

What if we use KD to leverage into a Zion deal?


Toronto: Durant

Pels: Quickly/Grayson

Us: Zion/Poetl/#9

Take a PG like the Jakucionus kid from Illinois and..

Jaku
Booker
Dunn
Zion
Poetl

Beal/Richards/Oso off the bench.

Sure I'm all for it. Is Zion's value now Quickly and Grayson Allen?

Heck, people are saying Trey Murphy III is worth 5 firsts now after the Bane deal. That seems like a lot, but is his value THAT much higher than Zion's?