OT: NFL 25 Draft and Beyond Thread

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My Jets, however, by comparison, feel much further away. Maybe Fields finds some magic, and they win some useless games and maybe he's even fun to watch, but the Jets don't feel close to being a winning team. Years away, I think. Maybe they can sell some vets and do a full rebuild.

I've literally never cared about the Jets in my life but I'm here to tell you that they're a playoff team.

The Eagles just won the Super Bowl off of the strength of their running game, the Ravens were a top 4 team in large part because of the strength of their running game. The Lions were a top 6 rushing attack in the NFL and so much of what they do on offense relies on their dynamic running game. The Jets have built a roster that's easily going to be a top 3 rushing attack in the NFL and they're going to rely on that to win way more games than expected.

1. Fields & Lamar are the top two rushing QBs in the NFL - the zone read option isn't something that's been implemented too often so it's not something that's exactly valued in mainstream NFL circles but it soon will be. Long story short, Fields rushing ability helps create explosive plays for both himself and his running backs at an absurd rate.

2. The Jets have serious talent & depth at the RB position to be a high rushing workload - think of the Pacers with their pace & depth. By the 4th quarter they're eating well because they've worn down the opponents - so many teams have invested into the passing game and stopping it that they're not equipped to stop this sort of rushing attack.

3. The Eagles just won the Super Bowl with this meta - elite running backs were seriously undervalued in the 2024 FA period and the Eagles won the Super Bowl because they paid Saquon roughly the same contract that the Jags paid Gabe Davis to catch 20 passes and get cut. Make no mistake - Fields is an elite rushing QB and his passing ability is better than public perception will make you believe it is. The Jets are ahead of the curve here and should have a seriously good season.

Again I don't care a single bit about the Jets but I am a fan of Fields and have watched a lot of Lions football and what Glenn & co are doing highly resembles what the Lions did in their rebuild.

Maybe the Jets found a gem in Fields, and, I will confess, after posting what I did, I went back and read the last few pages, and I saw some posts saying the Jets could be good and I felt foolish. I've made uneducated posts before. It won't be the last time.

That said . . . I'm going to rebut your rebuttal.

1) if Fields is that good, why hasn't he ever won?

2) Philly had more than just a running attack. They had a good experienced QB, good recievers, a good defense, a track record of wining with a roster that had mostly been together for a while and a good coach. Yes, they did bring back the running game after the league had moved away from it, but they did other things well. Hurts could keep other team's secondaries on notice because he was a plus QB. Fields can run, but can he throw or will defenses simply adjust to the running game against the Jets?

3) This is the Jets we're talking about. The most cursed franchise in all of sports.

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Still, if you're right, I'll give you props and admit that my prediction was wrong and I would be OK with being wrong. A wining season would be a nice change. I'm just not quite ready to bet on it, and I was talking playoffs this time last year, because I'm a moron who believed in Aaron Rodgers.

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My Jets, however, by comparison, feel much further away. Maybe Fields finds some magic, and they win some useless games and maybe he's even fun to watch, but the Jets don't feel close to being a winning team. Years away, I think. Maybe they can sell some vets and do a full rebuild.

I've literally never cared about the Jets in my life but I'm here to tell you that they're a playoff team.

The Eagles just won the Super Bowl off of the strength of their running game, the Ravens were a top 4 team in large part because of the strength of their running game. The Lions were a top 6 rushing attack in the NFL and so much of what they do on offense relies on their dynamic running game. The Jets have built a roster that's easily going to be a top 3 rushing attack in the NFL and they're going to rely on that to win way more games than expected.

1. Fields & Lamar are the top two rushing QBs in the NFL - the zone read option isn't something that's been implemented too often so it's not something that's exactly valued in mainstream NFL circles but it soon will be. Long story short, Fields rushing ability helps create explosive plays for both himself and his running backs at an absurd rate.

2. The Jets have serious talent & depth at the RB position to be a high rushing workload - think of the Pacers with their pace & depth. By the 4th quarter they're eating well because they've worn down the opponents - so many teams have invested into the passing game and stopping it that they're not equipped to stop this sort of rushing attack.

3. The Eagles just won the Super Bowl with this meta - elite running backs were seriously undervalued in the 2024 FA period and the Eagles won the Super Bowl because they paid Saquon roughly the same contract that the Jags paid Gabe Davis to catch 20 passes and get cut. Make no mistake - Fields is an elite rushing QB and his passing ability is better than public perception will make you believe it is. The Jets are ahead of the curve here and should have a seriously good season.

Again I don't care a single bit about the Jets but I am a fan of Fields and have watched a lot of Lions football and what Glenn & co are doing highly resembles what the Lions did in their rebuild.

Maybe the Jets found a gem in Fields, and, I will confess, after posting what I did, I went back and read the last few pages, and I saw some posts saying the Jets could be good and I felt foolish. I've made uneducated posts before. It won't be the last time.

That said . . . I'm going to rebut your rebuttal.


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1) if Fields is that good, why hasn't he ever won?

I made a post a few pages back detailing his career so you can go back and read that if you want but I'll give you a synopsis:

Year 1: was supposed to be a sit year, Dalton gets hurt and they throw him out there. It was the end of the Nagy/Pace era and the fanbase already wanted those dudes fired so it was no surprise when they were. Coming into the NFL his quick game was non existent and they really didn't utilize his legs in the least - it was all down field passing with a mediocre OL/WR.

Year 2: team is literally taking but make no mistake, this is the most electric season from any Chicago sports athlete since young Derrick Rose. They traded away the entire defense (Mack & Roquan Smith) and Fields alone kept them in games - dude got MVP votes for his efforts.

Year 3: rough start but after week 3 he really finds his stride. Eberflus blew 3-4 games and a team that was 7-10 could have easily been 10-7. Finished the year 4-2 but if not for Eberflus it would have been a 10-4 or 9-5 finish to the season.

Year 4: 4-2 with the Steelers having him play Russell Wilson's playbook. If Eberflus isn't a downright moron he's 14-6 or 13-7 in his last 20 starts.

2) Philly had more than just a running attack. They had a good experienced QB, good recievers, a good defense, a track record of wining with a roster that had mostly been together for a while and a good coach. Yes, they did bring back the running game after the league had moved away from it, but they did other things well. Hurts could keep other team's secondaries on notice because he was a plus QB. Fields can run, but can he throw or will defenses simply adjust to the running game against the Jets?

The engine was the running game, Hurts (with the threat of the zone read option) and the OL elevated Barkley - I'm telling you that Fields is more dynamic as a runner than Hurts and the OL is going to be really solid. Simply put, I don't think teams are going to be able to stop it and when the Jets do decide to pass, they'll be facing 8 in the box because of the rushing game threat and the OL will hold the pocket (a luxury Fields has never been afforded and the same thing that plagued, first pick Caleb Williams). If you want to see Fields accuracy on display when he's not facing consistent pressure, watch his college tape, his 2023 games against Washington, Denver and Atlanta and his 2024 game against Indy - it's there he's just been under an insane amount of pressure because of his lackluster OL.

3) This is the Jets we're talking about. The most cursed franchise in all of sports.

Bears fan here and this formula is what turned the Lions from an embarrassment to one of the top teams in the league the last two years. Both my team and yours hired Lions coordinators and if you put a gun to my head I'd say the Jets are the ones who have followed the Lions blueprint to a T and will emulate their success.

Still, if you're right, I'll give you props and admit that my prediction was wrong and I would be OK with being wrong. A wining season would be a nice change. I'm just not quite ready to bet on it, and I was talking playoffs this time last year, because I'm a moron who believed in Aaron Rodgers.

As a Bears fan who has had hoped the Packers dominance over us was finished when they let Aaron walk - it's clear to me that Matt LaFluer was the engine that revitalized Aaron's career. He was physically slowing down in 2017-18 and when he came to y'all, he was basically the OC and he reverted to his play style prior to MLF. Love got hurt week 1 and that damn team got winning football out of Malik Willis because MLF is a wizard.

Personally, as a Bears fan I hope I'm wrong and that Ben Johnson was the straw that stirred the Lions drink, but I truthfully doubt it. I think you guys are onto something special and fun.

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Maybe the Jets found a gem in Fields, and, I will confess, after posting what I did, I went back and read the last few pages, and I saw some posts saying the Jets could be good and I felt foolish. I've made uneducated posts before. It won't be the last time.

That said . . . I'm going to rebut your rebuttal.


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1) if Fields is that good, why hasn't he ever won?

I made a post a few pages back detailing his career so you can go back and read that if you want but I'll give you a synopsis:

Year 1: was supposed to be a sit year, Dalton gets hurt and they throw him out there. It was the end of the Nagy/Pace era and the fanbase already wanted those dudes fired so it was no surprise when they were. Coming into the NFL his quick game was non existent and they really didn't utilize his legs in the least - it was all down field passing with a mediocre OL/WR.

Year 2: team is literally taking but make no mistake, this is the most electric season from any Chicago sports athlete since young Derrick Rose. They traded away the entire defense (Mack & Roquan Smith) and Fields alone kept them in games - dude got MVP votes for his efforts.

Year 3: rough start but after week 3 he really finds his stride. Eberflus blew 3-4 games and a team that was 7-10 could have easily been 10-7. Finished the year 4-2 but if not for Eberflus it would have been a 10-4 or 9-5 finish to the season.

Year 4: 4-2 with the Steelers having him play Russell Wilson's playbook. If Eberflus isn't a downright moron he's 14-6 or 13-7 in his last 20 starts.

2) Philly had more than just a running attack. They had a good experienced QB, good recievers, a good defense, a track record of wining with a roster that had mostly been together for a while and a good coach. Yes, they did bring back the running game after the league had moved away from it, but they did other things well. Hurts could keep other team's secondaries on notice because he was a plus QB. Fields can run, but can he throw or will defenses simply adjust to the running game against the Jets?

The engine was the running game, Hurts (with the threat of the zone read option) and the OL elevated Barkley - I'm telling you that Fields is more dynamic as a runner than Hurts and the OL is going to be really solid. Simply put, I don't think teams are going to be able to stop it and when the Jets do decide to pass, they'll be facing 8 in the box because of the rushing game threat and the OL will hold the pocket (a luxury Fields has never been afforded and the same thing that plagued, first pick Caleb Williams). If you want to see Fields accuracy on display when he's not facing consistent pressure, watch his college tape, his 2023 games against Washington, Denver and Atlanta and his 2024 game against Indy - it's there he's just been under an insane amount of pressure because of his lackluster OL.

3) This is the Jets we're talking about. The most cursed franchise in all of sports.

Bears fan here and this formula is what turned the Lions from an embarrassment to one of the top teams in the league the last two years. Both my team and yours hired Lions coordinators and if you put a gun to my head I'd say the Jets are the ones who have followed the Lions blueprint to a T and will emulate their success.

Still, if you're right, I'll give you props and admit that my prediction was wrong and I would be OK with being wrong. A wining season would be a nice change. I'm just not quite ready to bet on it, and I was talking playoffs this time last year, because I'm a moron who believed in Aaron Rodgers.

As a Bears fan who has had hoped the Packers dominance over us was finished when they let Aaron walk - it's clear to me that Matt LaFluer was the engine that revitalized Aaron's career. He was physically slowing down in 2017-18 and when he came to y'all, he was basically the OC and he reverted to his play style prior to MLF. Love got hurt week 1 and that damn team got winning football out of Malik Willis because MLF is a wizard.

Personally, as a Bears fan I hope I'm wrong and that Ben Johnson was the straw that stirred the Lions drink, but I truthfully doubt it. I think you guys are onto something special and fun.

Quotes within quotes gets confusing, but I read what you wrote and I found it very interesting.

My one question is, assuming you're right, then why weren't other teams interested in Fields? 2 years 40 isn't exactly cheap, but it's cheap for a winning QB.

Even with my pessimistic outlook, I was still looking forward to the season. Even if you're not really a believer in Fields, he's a fun player to watch.

[Susan]

Quotes within quotes gets confusing, but I read what you wrote and I found it very interesting.

My one question is, assuming you're right, then why weren't other teams interested in Fields? 2 years 40 isn't exactly cheap, but it's cheap for a winning QB.

Even with my pessimistic outlook, I was still looking forward to the season. Even if you're not really a believer in Fields, he's a fun player to watch.

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Here's my thoughts on the contract:

1. Running backs (and running QBs) are highly undervalued. For the last 20+ years the thought has been that you shouldn't pay a running back and while 15 years ago I'd agree with you - that idea has run it's course and we've now swung to the point where the best teams have paid the top RBs and it's paid off massively for them (Saquon, Henry, Josh Jacobs to the Pack and Aaron Jones to the Vikings). Barkley got slightly less money than Gabe Davis and he took 3rd in the MVP voting and Gabe Davis caught 20 passes and got cut.

So if you accept that premise that the running game is undervalued, it's an easy jump to make that a QB who makes his biggest impact would also be undervalued.

2. Glenn wanted Fields, Fields understood that the Jets were his best opportunity to get a starting job on an offense tailored to his strengths. Glenn knew that Fields absolutely torched him in 4/5 games so he's seen up close how excellent Fields can be. Who knows, there was a little bit of smoke that the Titans were interested but that would have been career suicide. They beat the Steelers offer and if he is excellent - he'll get paid.

At the end of the day it comes down to belief, Glenn believed in Fields and probably validated him by saying what a raw deal he got in both Chicago and Pittsburgh. This is the same type of belief and low risk gamble that got Goff to become the Lions franchise QB.

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Here's my thoughts on the contract:

1. Running backs (and running QBs) are highly undervalued. For the last 20+ years the thought has been that you shouldn't pay a running back and while 15 years ago I'd agree with you - that idea has run it's course and we've now swung to the point where the best teams have paid the top RBs and it's paid off massively for them (Saquon, Henry, Josh Jacobs to the Pack and Aaron Jones to the Vikings). Barkley got slightly less money than Gabe Davis and he took 3rd in the MVP voting and Gabe Davis caught 20 passes and got cut.

So if you accept that premise that the running game is undervalued, it's an easy jump to make that a QB who makes his biggest impact would also be undervalued.

2. Glenn wanted Fields, Fields understood that the Jets were his best opportunity to get a starting job on an offense tailored to his strengths. Glenn knew that Fields absolutely torched him in 4/5 games so he's seen up close how excellent Fields can be. Who knows, there was a little bit of smoke that the Titans were interested but that would have been career suicide. They beat the Steelers offer and if he is excellent - he'll get paid.

At the end of the day it comes down to belief, Glenn believed in Fields and probably validated him by saying what a raw deal he got in both Chicago and Pittsburgh. This is the same type of belief and low risk gamble that got Goff to become the Lions franchise QB.

Your formating was fine. I was just worried if I continued quoting inside, I would have messed it up.

As for the Jets, it's going to be an interesting season. Giants too, I think. Any given year, you never really know, unless sometimes it's really obvious.

I'm looking forward to this upcoming season.

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I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or someone else. Lesson learned.

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I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or someone else. Lesson learned.

He messed up but this will likely get blown up. Hopefully a one time mistake and he doesn’t keep making them.

It was 1AM but saw no mention of being under the influence.

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I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or someone else. Lesson learned.

He messed up but this will likely get blown up. Hopefully a one time mistake and he doesn’t keep making them.

It was 1AM but saw no mention of being under the influence.

Yeah I got scared because I thought this was gonna say Sheduer was drinking. Thank God.

Driving 101 mph is reckless and stupid. But not something people should hold over his head if it's a one time thing. I remember being his age. I get it.

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I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or someone else. Lesson learned.

He messed up but this will likely get blown up. Hopefully a one time mistake and he doesn’t keep making them.

It was 1AM but saw no mention of being under the influence.

Yeah I got scared because I thought this was gonna say Sheduer was drinking. Thank God.

Driving 101 mph is reckless and stupid. But not something people should hold over his head if it's a one time thing. I remember being his age. I get it.

It definitely doesn't look good. That said, at his age, and assuming he wasn't drinking, an empty road or mostly empty, I presume. I might have done the same thing or worse at his age. I did a lot of dumb stuff in my early 20s.

He's already playing catch-up after falling in the draft and having a several QB competition going on, so he should try to be smart. I'm sure others have told him this much.

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He messed up but this will likely get blown up. Hopefully a one time mistake and he doesn’t keep making them.

It was 1AM but saw no mention of being under the influence.

Yeah I got scared because I thought this was gonna say Sheduer was drinking. Thank God.

Driving 101 mph is reckless and stupid. But not something people should hold over his head if it's a one time thing. I remember being his age. I get it.

It definitely doesn't look good. That said, at his age, and assuming he wasn't drinking, an empty road or mostly empty, I presume. I might have done the same thing or worse at his age. I did a lot of dumb stuff in my early 20s.

He's already playing catch-up after falling in the draft and having a several QB competition going on, so he should try to be smart. I'm sure others have told him this much.

Seems like his dad is having health issues too. I hope Shedeur can lock in and just do his thing.

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Seems like his dad is having health issues too. I hope Shedeur can lock in and just do his thing.

Apparently, there was more than one speeding ticket. Another for driving 90 something.

I'm still rooting for him to prove a whole bunch of teams, owners and GMs wrong for passing on him.

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That must be a pretty bad toe injury to get carted off

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Did anyone see the video of Abdul Carter basically tossing JMS around like a rag doll?

Russell Wilson better make sure his cleats are suitable for running