BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap)

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What if the only way to get one of the guys you mentioned - Fox, J.Murray, C.White, Quickley - or a guy of that skill set and caliber, was to give up Suggs?

I dunno man.

We just traded 4 firsts, a starter, and a sixth man/ role player for Desmond Bane. It’s hard to believe none of those guys and a number of other similar options weren’t available up until now with the same package.

First off, I’m not sure any of those guys are even on the block.

And second, there’s challenges with every name you mentioned.

Fox is a FA to be and essentially told teams he would only sign with a Texas team, which completely limited his trade market. And he’s eligible to sign 5/296 on his next deal.

Murray is already making $52M a year.

Bane is only making $37M this year, that $15M gap is significant for a team like Orlando which has three other guys getting paid.

Quickley isn’t good enough for the caliber of package the Magic gave up for Bane certainly, and Toronto just extended him as well so why would he be on the block?

Then there’s White…

I do think he’s a really good player and I do think the package the Magic gave up for Bane could have landed him, but he’s also 31 years old compared to 27 for Bane.

And if Boston was going to get rid of him, they would want more immediate financial relief in my opinion, considering their dire tax situation.

And nobody also believed Bane was available too right?
There are zero concerns at all acquiring him right?

As usual nobody sees the actual issue at hand here. They are instead making lists of reasons for players listed.

I'm fine with the Bane deal. I've said it now maybe 10 times in this thread aside from my personal preference to the overall blueprint.

I'm just looking at the overall long term risk ramifications should it not work out.

I dont really need reasons as to why none of the above players were targets. They dont fit the scheme Weltman wants anyway.

[RookieStar]

BTW... what do we call or use thge nickname of Bane?

BAN3
3-Rex

Are my 2 faves

He himself said DB3

Man.. thats sooo... Magic

D12 , P5.... no creativity...

[RookieStar]

He's been called "Drive By"

Yeah but hes known more for his 3s than his drives.

Maybe so...people are talking about what his nickname he's been known by - that's it.

I'd say he's known more for his biceps than anything...there's never been a player that looks like him. Other long guys have been shredded, like David Robinson and Kevin Willis, but Bane is like a block of granite-not necessarily super lean, but has comic book musculature.

His biceps coupled with t-rex arms...

[Knightro]

I dunno man.

We just traded 4 firsts, a starter, and a sixth man/ role player for Desmond Bane. It’s hard to believe none of those guys and a number of other similar options weren’t available up until now with the same package.

First off, I’m not sure any of those guys are even on the block.

And second, there’s challenges with every name you mentioned.

Fox is a FA to be and essentially told teams he would only sign with a Texas team, which completely limited his trade market. And he’s eligible to sign 5/296 on his next deal.

Murray is already making $52M a year.

Bane is only making $37M this year, that $15M gap is significant for a team like Orlando which has three other guys getting paid.

Quickley isn’t good enough for the caliber of package the Magic gave up for Bane certainly, and Toronto just extended him as well so why would he be on the block?

Then there’s White…

I do think he’s a really good player and I do think the package the Magic gave up for Bane could have landed him, but he’s also 31 years old compared to 27 for Bane.

And if Boston was going to get rid of him, they would want more immediate financial relief in my opinion, considering their dire tax situation.

And nobody also believed Bane was available too right?
There are zero concerns at all acquiring him right?

As usual nobody sees the actual issue at hand here. They are instead making lists of reasons for players listed.

I'm fine with the Bane deal. I've said it now maybe 10 times in this thread aside from my personal preference to the overall blueprint.

I'm just looking at the overall long term risk ramifications should it not work out.

I dont really need reasons as to why none of the above players were targets. They dont fit the scheme Weltman wants anyway.

I think Bane was very likely the best guy they could acquire who checked the boxes they wanted.

Like you said, they very clearly didn’t want a full blown offensive engine kind of player and the list of guys who could provide both shooting *and* playmaking (and also scale up and down depending on circumstances) were rather limited.

Like I’m sure they’d have traded for Garland if he was available, but that would have been Suggs as the primary player element and you would have complained about that certainly.

[RookieStar]

For whatever it's worth, Bane's nickname in Memphis was "Fly By King" or "FBK" not "Drive By".

Because he's one of the best in the league at pump faking against a hard closeout, watching the defender harmlessly fly by out of position, and then draining the three anyway.

Yeah.. but like it or not.. we already have pump-fake king that opponents rarely fall for....

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First off, I’m not sure any of those guys are even on the block.

And second, there’s challenges with every name you mentioned.

Fox is a FA to be and essentially told teams he would only sign with a Texas team, which completely limited his trade market. And he’s eligible to sign 5/296 on his next deal.

Murray is already making $52M a year.

Bane is only making $37M this year, that $15M gap is significant for a team like Orlando which has three other guys getting paid.

Quickley isn’t good enough for the caliber of package the Magic gave up for Bane certainly, and Toronto just extended him as well so why would he be on the block?

Then there’s White…

I do think he’s a really good player and I do think the package the Magic gave up for Bane could have landed him, but he’s also 31 years old compared to 27 for Bane.

And if Boston was going to get rid of him, they would want more immediate financial relief in my opinion, considering their dire tax situation.

And nobody also believed Bane was available too right?
There are zero concerns at all acquiring him right?

As usual nobody sees the actual issue at hand here. They are instead making lists of reasons for players listed.

I'm fine with the Bane deal. I've said it now maybe 10 times in this thread aside from my personal preference to the overall blueprint.

I'm just looking at the overall long term risk ramifications should it not work out.

I dont really need reasons as to why none of the above players were targets. They dont fit the scheme Weltman wants anyway.

I think Bane was very likely the best guy they could acquire who checked the boxes they wanted.

Like you said, they very clearly didn’t want a full blown offensive engine kind of player and the list of guys who could provide both shooting *and* playmaking (and also scale up and down depending on circumstances) were rather limited.

Like I’m sure they’d have traded for Garland if he was available, but that would have been Suggs as the primary player element and you would have complained about that certainly.

Yeah, it is what it is.

Bane is a good acquisition as another quasi 3-level scorer on a longer term deal than any of the targets we were thinking about.

Sure, but I'm also not super high on Garland personally. I was just against the package ideas that were floated here of Suggs and 2+ firsts when the overall outcome was KCP and Garland. Yeah, no thanks.

I'm also betting that if this plan goes sideways Suggs is gone anyway regardless of whether he plays well individually or not.

Gary/Suggs didnt work too well. KCP/Suggs was a disaster. So now we will see how the system looks with Suggs/Bane.

[Knightro]

Gary/Suggs didnt work too well. KCP/Suggs was a disaster. So now we will see how the system looks with Suggs/Bane.

Gary/Suggs worked better than perhaps you’re giving credit to: 115.6 ORTG, 111.5 DRTG, +4.1 NET two years ago. That’s definitely workable.

KCP/Suggs didn’t perform as well, but most of their minutes together were during the stretch Paolo was hurt which forced Suggs to have to shoulder a much bigger offensive load than he is really capable of efficiently (which became exacerbated even more when Franz also went down).

[Audi]

So we all good here or has anyone decided to pull a Xatticus?

[Skybox]

So we all good here or has anyone decided to pull a Xatticus?

There were a couple that were betting hard that there was no way in hell we'd take on another big salary...crickets now. Maybe go check the OKC boards for our AWOL usuals.

[richi_v25]

Y'all call him what y'all want but I'm going with the New 3D.

[basketballRob]

David Steele's reaction

https://youtu.be/E87rfQUh_tE?si=fwuiZ_xKm8Aadgtf

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[BadMofoPimp]

I just wonder as there is only one basketball with 4 guys who like to score. Paolo looks to chuck whenever he gets the ball in his hands, especially being he is looking for that Max contract. Will be interesting for sure.

[Dub_Sax]

David Steele's reaction

https://youtu.be/E87rfQUh_tE?si=fwuiZ_xKm8Aadgtf

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I stopped listening after he referred to Bane as an Orlando "magician". That's just soooo corny...smh

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[RookieStar]

I just wonder as there is only one basketball with 4 guys who like to score. Paolo looks to chuck whenever he gets the ball in his hands, especially being he is looking for that Max contract. Will be interesting for sure.

Theres team USA and you can bet everyone there including thr ball boy wants to score.. but seriously... BOS does. KP Brown Tatum and White i think likes to score..

But naaah. Paolo said to all that he wants to facilitate aka wants those trip-dubs.

Suggs also just wants to beat people.

So you might say Franz is the purest scoring mindset we have in our starting five.

[RookieStar]

So we all good here or has anyone decided to pull a Xatticus?

I was thinking there couldve been some MEM posters doing theit Xatticus and coming here BUT are there even MEM posters??

[SOUL]

David Steele's reaction

https://youtu.be/E87rfQUh_tE?si=fwuiZ_xKm8Aadgtf

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I stopped listening after he referred to Bane as an Orlando "magician". That's just soooo corny...smh

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That's been the plural forever though lol. "I'm a Magic" has always been weird too.

[thelead]

Still don't like how much we gave up (one less unprotected pick would have been ideal) but Bane is THE perfect fit when you consider skillset and, equally important, the financials.

I have my concerns with how the FO balances the bench but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (and time) to fix it this summer. Like I said earlier, we traded 2 guards for 1, then cut two more guards. Drafting Clayton and bringing in a low cost but effective PG like Tyus (or signing Ty if they can figure out the finances) would go a long way IMO.

[fateis007]

I dunno man.

We just traded 4 firsts, a starter, and a sixth man/ role player for Desmond Bane. It’s hard to believe none of those guys and a number of other similar options weren’t available up until now with the same package.

First off, I’m not sure any of those guys are even on the block.

And second, there’s challenges with every name you mentioned.

Fox is a FA to be and essentially told teams he would only sign with a Texas team, which completely limited his trade market. And he’s eligible to sign 5/296 on his next deal.

Murray is already making $52M a year.

Bane is only making $37M this year, that $15M gap is significant for a team like Orlando which has three other guys getting paid.

Quickley isn’t good enough for the caliber of package the Magic gave up for Bane certainly, and Toronto just extended him as well so why would he be on the block?

Then there’s White…

I do think he’s a really good player and I do think the package the Magic gave up for Bane could have landed him, but he’s also 31 years old compared to 27 for Bane.

And if Boston was going to get rid of him, they would want more immediate financial relief in my opinion, considering their dire tax situation.

And nobody also believed Bane was available too right?
There are zero concerns at all acquiring him right?

As usual nobody sees the actual issue at hand here. They are instead making lists of reasons for players listed.

I'm fine with the Bane deal. I've said it now maybe 10 times in this thread aside from my personal preference to the overall blueprint.

I'm just looking at the overall long term risk ramifications should it not work out.

I dont really need reasons as to why none of the above players were targets. They dont fit the scheme Weltman wants anyway.

Where are the risk? You do realize, even with only 2 of 4 of our best players, and if we lost our best scorer off the bench and everyone shot career lows (happened this season) we are still a .500 ball club. People need to let go of this perception that those picks will be worth more then they are and that some "random" injury is going to bring us back to a 20 win, top 5 pick team. We already sucked for years to get to this stage. Those days of chasing top 10 talent in the draft are over for the next 5 years, with or without Bane. If Orlando was a crap team, Memphis would have accepted 2 picks for him, but they know they basically just landed a bunch late lottery picks. We aren't some club that is devoid of talent, that is one injury away from bottom feeding again.

People need to be content that Paolo/Franz are the reason we made this trade. They are both dropping insane stats and growing and want to win NOW. They don't care about who is in the draft to develop, or how we can blow up the team. They want to win now and that is obvious by the managements aggressiveness too bring in someone of Bane's caliber and get rid of "potential" talent and failed projects. If we are going just off stats, he could be our second best player next season. He literally put up the same stats as Franz last season, and much better efficiency.

[drsd]

Bane is on fair and long contract, he did not ask out and Grizz did not shop him. We made an offer with every possible FRP we could trade and they took it. Bane is a rare combination of skills we needed and age which fits in Paolo / Franz prime window.
In theory he is like a perfect guard we could possibly get at this cost.
Picks are nothing if we maybe got the best team in Magic history assembled this way.

And-1

Vet-min free agents are better than late-FRP rookies. The Magic is fine to lose all these picks given the likely good pool of vets every year available.

[richi_v25]

I just wonder as there is only one basketball with 4 guys who like to score. Paolo looks to chuck whenever he gets the ball in his hands, especially being he is looking for that Max contract. Will be interesting for sure.

His other option was to pass it to KCP, Gary, or Cole and watch an airball/brick so I understand.