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[CazOnReal]

Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol

I mean, if it's the RJ/Poeltl #9 package it's a steal to me.

The Kings would be stealing from us with that deal, correct.

[ciueli]

Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol

He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.

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[DonDoolie]

What would that even look like ? Collins+Sexton+5 for George+3?

[navyblue]

who would utah want so bad at 3?

[Zeno]

who would utah want so bad at 3?

No idea maybe Kon. If they would take Collins and Clarkson plus 5 for George and 3 I am 100 percent doing it as the Jazz

[Brinbe]

edgecombe perhaps.

but lol @ ainge bailing morey out

[bboyskinnylegs]

eating PG's contract to move up two spots? yikes

[CazOnReal]

who would utah want so bad at 3?

Probably VJ Edgecombe.

Danny Ainge also probably wouldn't mind rehabbing PG13's value to flip him at the deadline/give the young guys a veteran in the locker room.

[Rodrickle]

Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol

He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.

nah Jak at $30M is better than Sabonis at $45M to $48M. Jak is much better defender at a position where its needed to be successful in the playoffs. Sabonis doesn't elevate his game in the playoffs either. He gets easily defended by length and quick hands.

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[djsunyc]

who would utah want so bad at 3?

Probably VJ Edgecombe.

Danny Ainge also probably wouldn't mind rehabbing PG13's value to flip him at the deadline/give the young guys a veteran in the locker room.

pg in utah? bro is gonna be so bored he will release 2 podcasts per day

[RoteSchroder]

Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol

He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.

Can Sabonis be a part of a championship contender if you consider his contract and the make-up of our team? Even with Scottie, we're gonna need a defensive anchor. If he can't be a part of the final solution, then there's no point in giving up assets for him.

Like with Durant, it may make sense for the MLSE as their goal is to put fans in their seats and make money. Doesn't make sense for fans.

[Gavin_TDThree]

if there's a way for us to trade up and get Tre Johnson that'd be huge.

[ciueli]

Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol

He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.

nah Jak at $30M is better than Sabonis at $45M to $48M. Jak is much better defender at a position where its needed to be successful in the playoffs. Sabonis doesn't elevate his game in the playoffs either. He gets easily defended by length and quick hands.

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$30M is where his contract will start if we’re lucky. Hartenstein got $30M/year and hadn’t averaged 10PPG in his career when he signed it, Jak’s will likely increase with max raises, he won’t be making much less than Sabonis. Again, having a star level player is better than paying a little less and getting a solid starter.

[DreamTeam09]

who would utah want so bad at 3?

No idea maybe Kon. If they would take Collins and Clarkson plus 5 for George and 3 I am 100 percent doing it as the Jazz

They definitely would want ACE, you can sell your fanbase as your star wing in the future. Kon isn't going to sell tickets like Ace would.

[Shakril]

Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol

He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.

Sabonis is a bad defender, which means, what ever he scores in offense he loses on defense. Jak may not score a lot, but he prevents a lot of scoring, which bottom line is something i rather have in the POs than an offensive only player. Also Jak can play 70 to 80 games a season, but it wasnt necessary last year. Rather let a hurt player heal than rush him back. Especially this season he missed 13 games because of injuries, of which half were precautionary. And even if you want to upgrade from Jak, Sabonis is not the answer - you still need someone that can defend.

The infatuation with the strech 5 is becoming an obsession around here. We had 2 Centers that are non shooting bigs in the Final 4 (Hartenstein & Gobert), one big in Kat that was exposed on defense (parallels to Sabonis), and only Myles Turner that was ok from 3 and good at defense. I really wish people would take into account what actually is happening instead of what they wish is happening. A strech Center is not mandatory to win, Defensive Centers are.

And can we please stop with the nonsense that Jak is unplayable in the 4th? How many times has he prove to you that this is wrong. When it matters, he makes his free throws, unlike RJ or Barnes. And its not like he is shooting many of them. Last year he was shooting 0.8 FTs in the 4th quarter. Dont tell me that this is a problem.

[RoteSchroder]

eating PG's contract to move up two spots? yikes

I don't think it affects Utah at all. PG has three years left. Cody, Isaiah, Flip are under their rookie contracts for the next three years. There's no major payday coming for Keyonte/Hendricks. They'll be looking to sell off their expiring vets Collins, Sexton, Clarkson and probably eventually Markkanen

[Zeno]

who would utah want so bad at 3?

No idea maybe Kon. If they would take Collins and Clarkson plus 5 for George and 3 I am 100 percent doing it as the Jazz

They definitely would want ACE, you can sell your fanbase as your star wing in the future. Kon isn't going to sell tickets like Ace would.

In Utah?

[DreamTeam09]

No idea maybe Kon. If they would take Collins and Clarkson plus 5 for George and 3 I am 100 percent doing it as the Jazz

They definitely would want ACE, you can sell your fanbase as your star wing in the future. Kon isn't going to sell tickets like Ace would.

In Utah?

Fair, but still. But maybe you're right, but Kon will be there at 5

[Zeno]

They definitely would want ACE, you can sell your fanbase as your star wing in the future. Kon isn't going to sell tickets like Ace would.

In Utah?

Fair, but still. But maybe you're right, but Kon will be there at 5

Above ticket sales though, I think Kon is going to be one of the top guys in this draft.