Pistons/NOP

[Astaluego]

PISTONS
In: Murphy
Out: Ivey/Fontecchio+ 2 Future FRP(unp)+ 1 Swap

The Pistons make a Magic-style move for Bane... surely an overpayment, for an ideal fit, both on the court and in the timeline alongside Cade

Cade/*Beasley/Thompson/Murphy/Duren
Schroeder/Sasser/Holland/Harris/Stewart

NOP
In: Ivey/Fontecchio/2 FRP Future(unp)+ 1 Swap
Out:Murphy

You get a young, electric, high-upside guard and they stock up on more future assets (some could be used to move up in the draft and nab Bailey, who they're rumored to really like). Alternatively, they save a few million.



opinions on value and direction?

[Mavrelous]

I like it...

[Astaluego]

I understand that maybe NOP fans won't like him that much... but in my opinion they are far from contention at the moment, especially in a Wild West where practically every team will want to compete (probably should have been a consolidation trade where NOP moves up for Bailey?) but in this scenario, they let the year run out (while Murray rehabs from his injury and gets in shape, their overpaid veterans expire (CJ/KO), probably with the Bucks failing again, the Bucks' pick control drives up the value) and they secure another possible top pick in a really strong upcoming Draft). Alternatively, Ivey could thrive on a new team and you could argue he's the player with the most upside in this trade... also the fact that the Pistons would be one major injury to Cade (fingers crossed that doesn't happen) away from receiving a top pick... what picks (years) would they demand? NOP?I guess 26 and 28?

[MotownMadness]

I would do it

[Billl]

I don't think murphy has this type of value.
Ivey - 17/4/4 on 46/41 in 30 mpg
Trey - 21/3/5 on 45/36 in 35mpg

Ivey is a year younger and has another year left on a low$ contract. Murphy is a better defender, but neither are good. Not 2 unprotected picks and a swap difference. I don't think you can compare Trey to Bane, who is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, and defender who has shown he can play that role on a winning team.

[lordjeff05]

I don't think murphy has this type of value.
Ivey - 17/4/4 on 46/41 in 30 mpg
Trey - 21/3/5 on 45/36 in 35mpg

Ivey is a year younger and has another year left on a low$ contract. Murphy is a better defender, but neither are good. Not 2 unprotected picks and a swap difference. I don't think you can compare Trey to Bane, who is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, and defender who has shown he can play that role on a winning team.

I think this is a good question… first off comparing Bane to Trey, Bane is two years older and makes over 10 million more a year, so I think factoring that stuff in, value is similar. It’s pretty perfect for 3rd man salary.
Trey also was one of the most prolific 3 point shooters in the game at the forward spot.

The question about Ivey is intriguing…he definitely has a better chance of reaching his full potential on a team like New Orleans that has a clear need for a lead guard than on Detroit where is second banana in the backcourt.

From the Pels perspective I think about it but it creates as many questions as answers. If it’s a rebuild move then you’re trading for a guy who needs to get paid next year. If it’s to compete you have to get another wing so you likely use those assets to get one. If the rumors are true about Bailey, which they may not be, don’t really know if he fits well next to Ivey, let alone Zion.

[facothomas22]

Unless you believe one Jalen Duren, Ron Hollard, or Ausar Thompson will develop into a all star level player, this isn't a great use of assets for the Pistons. While Trey Murphy is quite good and this is fair value for him, I don't see him ever developing to a true all star and the Pistons are going to need a 2nd star to pair next to Cade at some point if they want to become true contenders.

[oldncreaky]

We've had one season above .500, and while I hate to be a downer, I wonder whether we'll be better or worse next season. I'd like Murphy, but I think the resulting DET roster has too many holes. Creation beyond Cade is a problem; so is relying on vets who played some of their best on expiring contracts to repeat that success. SG is weak, we don't really have a PF, and while we have talent at C we're still not quite ready for prime time at that position either.

Way too soon to send out multiple unprotected FRPs for a player who, while a great fit, looks to me like the 4th or 5th starter on a contender.

[tmorgan]

I don’t even like Ivey and want him to be the guy we eventually trade, but…

Murphy is only a small ball PF. I don’t know if his measurements are up to date, but 6’8” and 206 is a small PF. He’s primarily a SF, and we have a lot of talent there already. Moving a 2/1 for a 3/4 doesn’t make sense for Detroit unless you’re extremely sure Ron Holland is ready to deliver as a near-starting SG snd Beasley is definitely coming back. I love Ron, and I’m not sure of that at all.

Beyond that, Trey is coming off a season-ending injury, just like Ivey. Questions everywhere. And two picks and a swap is a lot. This isn’t KCP and Cole for Des Bane. This is a guy with one more year of experience on a very reasonable deal getting traded for a guy that should be happy to get the same deal but has a cheap year left. I agree that Murphy is more valuable. But not this much.

[Jon1798]

Trey is a good 6’10 in shoes, has grown since he entered the league. Over 7 foot wing span and a slam dunk contest finalist, super springy. He has largely played as a Zion replacement in his time in the league so far, if you want to call that PF. Intent is for him to play next to Zion as a 3/4, where Trey defends the taller and Zion the wider. But yes, Trey is 3/4 and not 2/3 like Herb.

[fanforlife]

While Murphy may be a fit, I just don't see the Pistons giving away so many assets for him and rather see them focusing on signing their own free agents. I don't see Murphy turning them into a 50 win team. Ivey keeps getting better, as are many of Detroit's young players, and I would like to see him next to Cunningham for a whole season. I don't think Detroit should be in such a big hurry. In addtion to re-signing their own free agents, especially Beasley and Schroder, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pistons trade up into the first run to land a PF/C like Reynaud and then wait until the trade deadline to see where they are and what they may need.

[Snakebites]

I like Murphy. It feels a tad steep though.

[Mr Peanut]

I'm a Trey Murphy fan. But if we're keeping Ausar/Holland then there is too much positional overlap at the forward spot. So instead I would do Holland, Fontecchio, a 2026 first (unprotected as I think it's unlikely we are in the top half of the lottery) and 2028 first (top 4 protected).

Then the rotation is:

Duren/Stewart
Murphy/Harris
Ausar/Beasley
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/FA PG (presumably will be hard to keep Schroder if we're taking on Murphy)

[Crymson]

Unless you believe one Jalen Duren, Ron Hollard, or Ausar Thompson will develop into a all star level player, this isn't a great use of assets for the Pistons. While Trey Murphy is quite good and this is fair value for him, I don't see him ever developing to a true all star and the Pistons are going to need a 2nd star to pair next to Cade at some point if they want to become true contenders.

Aye. I wouldn't send over Ivey in this trade. Murphy is best suited as a #3 scorer, and the Pistons will need that running mate for Cade.

[nolaPELSfan]

Murphy
for
Beef Stew, Fontecchio, Sasser, 2 1sts, 3 2nds ('29 & '31 DET 1sts, #37, '28 CHA/LAC 2nd, '29 MIL 2nd)
?

[MotownMadness]

I'm a Trey Murphy fan. But if we're keeping Ausar/Holland then there is too much positional overlap at the forward spot. So instead I would do Holland, Fontecchio, a 2026 first (unprotected as I think it's unlikely we are in the top half of the lottery) and 2028 first (top 4 protected).

Then the rotation is:

Duren/Stewart
Murphy/Harris
Ausar/Beasley
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/FA PG (presumably will be hard to keep Schroder if we're taking on Murphy)

Yeah that makes more sense. Murphy is also locked up on a good deal making it easier to sign Duren and Ivey.

[Snakebites]

I'd rather give up Ivey than Holland tbh.

[tmorgan]

I'd rather give up Ivey than Holland tbh.

Yeah, for sure.

1) Hollamd has two additional cheap years
2) Holland is a plus on defense, Ivey is a minus
3) Holland can play the 2 and has much better positional size as a result

I get it. Ivey is a good shooter and Holland was not as a rookie. Look beyond that. Holland’s shot looks fine, it just didn’t go in — he’s not Ausar. He’s not the athlete Ivey is, but he’s still very good, and he uses it better. Shifty, effective, fearless finisher. And he takes no crap from anyone, even as a teenage rookie. He was meant to play in Detroit.

Have faith in Ron. I think he’s going to be our second best player two years from now (unless we trade for an All-Star). Fortunately, for those that are big Ron fans such as myself, he was Langdon’s first draft pick here. I hope that means TL knows what he has.

[He Filled it Up]

I'd rather give up Ivey than Holland tbh.

Yeah, for sure.

1) Hollamd has two additional cheap years
2) Holland is a plus on defense, Ivey is a minus
3) Holland can play the 2 and has much better positional size as a result

I get it. Ivey is a good shooter and Holland was not as a rookie. Look beyond that. Holland’s shot looks fine, it just didn’t go in — he’s not Ausar. He’s not the athlete Ivey is, but he’s still very good, and he uses it better. Shifty, effective, fearless finisher. And he takes no crap from anyone, even as a teenage rookie. He was meant to play in Detroit.

Have faith in Ron. I think he’s going to be our second best player two years from now (unless we trade for an All-Star). Fortunately, for those that are big Ron fans such as myself, he was Langdon’s first draft pick here. I hope that means TL knows what he has.

These are good points, but I’d rather hold onto to Ivey than Holland. No one else on the roster can score and create offense outside of Cade. We’re gonna need someone else to generate offensive, and maybe Ivey never puts it all together but he’s the best chance on the roster imo.

That’s kinda the difference between Detroit and Orlando. The Magic decided to go all in with two young guys they think can be stars. Detroit only has one guy they can feel really good about.

[tmorgan]

I'd rather give up Ivey than Holland tbh.

Yeah, for sure.

1) Hollamd has two additional cheap years
2) Holland is a plus on defense, Ivey is a minus
3) Holland can play the 2 and has much better positional size as a result

I get it. Ivey is a good shooter and Holland was not as a rookie. Look beyond that. Holland’s shot looks fine, it just didn’t go in — he’s not Ausar. He’s not the athlete Ivey is, but he’s still very good, and he uses it better. Shifty, effective, fearless finisher. And he takes no crap from anyone, even as a teenage rookie. He was meant to play in Detroit.

Have faith in Ron. I think he’s going to be our second best player two years from now (unless we trade for an All-Star). Fortunately, for those that are big Ron fans such as myself, he was Langdon’s first draft pick here. I hope that means TL knows what he has.

These are good points, but I’d rather hold onto to Ivey than Holland. No one else on the roster can score and create offense outside of Cade. We’re gonna need someone else to generate offensive, and maybe Ivey never puts it all together but he’s the best chance on the roster imo.

That’s kinda the difference between Detroit and Orlando. The Magic decided to go all in with two young guys they think can be stars. Detroit only has one guy they can feel really good about.

Holland can create offense, and he’s going to get better at it. His handle is just as good or better than Ivey’s, and his body control is better. He’s just not as explosive. Only 60% of his 2’s were assisted as a rookie. He has the footwork on his outside shot once he gets it to fall. His bag is just fine.

He needs time. He has three cheap years left. Don’t sell on Ron, it’ll be a gargantuan mistake.