The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[dremill24]

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No thank you Jake. Disgusting.

Eh...you get Smith, #10, and some value for Green. Im not sure how much more you can expect.

I hate the specific pieces traded for Green in this example but the concept remains relatively reasonable, I think.

[KdoubleDees23]

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I am in on this !!!! Then get Russ Westbrook vet minimum ….

Then #10 Derrick Queen

Westbrook Ball
Booker beal
Dunn , allen
Jabari smith jr , queen
Vucevic , Richards , oso

That’s some depth

[Revived]

Man I wish Ishbia bought the Lakers instead. Mfer should’ve waited just few more years.

[Sunsdeuce]

Man I wish Ishbia bought the Lakers instead. Mfer should’ve waited just few more years.

No way he had $10 billion.

[lilfishi22]

Man I wish Ishbia bought the Lakers instead. Mfer should’ve waited just few more years.

No way he had $10 billion.

Neither does Mark Walter. His net worth is less than Ishbias.

[thamadkant]

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That guy looks like he's just a fan with theories

[bwgood77]

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Since you are a Raptors fan, why would the Raptors, a team that is young and kind of rebuilding, want KD?

[TeamTragic]

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Since you are a Raptors fan, why would the Raptors, a team that is young and kind of rebuilding, want KD?

Because they would have Barnes/Ingram/KD and push for the 7/8 seed.

Not to mention that the Bucks/Celtics are down a star player each.

[bwgood77]

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Any word about what KD thinks about going to the Raptors?

KD would lose about $4 million in taxes going to the Raptors. I remember seeing a podcast from some players talking about how nobody ever wants to play for the Raptors because of finances.

I saw a podcast long ago that he loves Toronto....this may have been before he was a Sun.

[bwgood77]

Any word about what KD thinks about going to the Raptors?

KD would lose about $4 million in taxes going to the Raptors. I remember seeing a podcast from some players talking about how nobody ever wants to play for the Raptors because of finances.

How much is enough money to make millionaires happy? Like once you’re in the millionaire club for simply playing basketball, at what point should you be appreciative of what you have for simply playing a sport for half a year and getting paid millions while Americans work 40-60 hours a week and come home and play basketball for free.

Sorry if I find no sympathy for professional athletes and what they think they “deserve” or want.

Also $4 million to get out of the **** that is America right now, could be appealing to a millionaire.

[Sunsdeuce]

KD would lose about $4 million in taxes going to the Raptors. I remember seeing a podcast from some players talking about how nobody ever wants to play for the Raptors because of finances.

How much is enough money to make millionaires happy? Like once you’re in the millionaire club for simply playing basketball, at what point should you be appreciative of what you have for simply playing a sport for half a year and getting paid millions while Americans work 40-60 hours a week and come home and play basketball for free.

Sorry if I find no sympathy for professional athletes and what they think they “deserve” or want.

Also $4 million to get out of the **** that is America right now, could be appealing to a millionaire.

Appealing to me too, lol

[bwgood77]

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Exactly!!! Now go take the Toronto offer and give all the teams that thought they could lowball us for KD the finger on the way to the league office!

By the way, Now that Memphis has traded Bane for both KCP and Anthony, they'll need actual shooters at the 2/3 because KCP and Anthony aren't it. O'neale for Konchar/ Huff/ 48th pick/ ATL 27' 2nd?

Well if we can get to phase 5 we should get great value. "entering phase 2 to get better value" lol

[bwgood77]

Ultimately it will be interesting to see what we traded Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, 4 unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap for.

I expect to be uninspired so hopefully I'm happily surprised.

what a silly way to go about life.

Yeah, I can be silly.

But I've learned expecting to be uninspired by the Suns and their moves and product since Ishbia took over and started calling the shots, is probably the best bet. To have had really high hopes this past year would have been bad. Though I think at one point before the season started I said that I think #2 is really wide open after OKC and we are among the teams that could make a run for that spot. Boy was I wrong on that one.

We were always so much better with KD on the court that the return for him and product next year would be a big happy surprise if we are competitive.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Since you are a Raptors fan, why would the Raptors, a team that is young and kind of rebuilding, want KD?

good question

our board is 50/50 on it but based on how Masai operates over the last decade, he's always been opportunistic no matter what stage the team is at.

They declared this year to be year 1 of our rebuild ... yet at the deadline we went out to go buy brandon ingram, albeit for cheap.

U get it .. but it may not fall under the "traditional rebuild" transactions that teams would normally do. Masai usually goes against the grain, he's always on talent acqusiiton mode and upgrade .. then figure it out later.

plus East is not like the West. You can make a few good moves and you all of a sudden have a top 4 seed.

[bwgood77]

Still believe Giannis will force a trade to Knicks before deadline, Bucks are stagnating and the team will be force to accommodate Giannis because they lack assets.

No. They won't because of this:

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Not sure if this was posted but yikes.
Makes KD for No 2 pick, Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson look a lot nicer.

Bucks won't be forced to take some sub-par offer from NYC since they value Giannis accordingly. That's crazy.

That really doesn't seem like a ton for Giannis. Though I probably would just stay the long course with young guys if I'm SA. But Giannis is a top 5 player in his prime. Castle is awesome and I can see no way would you trade him for KD, but him and even Harper would probably be worth Giannis in a nutshell. Not that I'd do it for sure if I was SA given Wemby's age. I'd keep the core of young guys and have the grow together.

[TeamTragic]

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Since you are a Raptors fan, why would the Raptors, a team that is young and kind of rebuilding, want KD?

good question

our board is 50/50 on it but based on how Masai operates over the last decade, he's always been opportunistic no matter what stage the team is at.

They declared this year to be year 1 of our rebuild ... yet at the deadline we went out to go buy brandon ingram, albeit for cheap.

U get it .. but it may not fall under the "traditional rebuild" transactions that teams would normally do. Masai usually goes against the grain, he's always on talent acqusiiton mode and upgrade .. then figure it out later.

plus East is not like the West. You can make a few good moves and you all of a sudden have a top 4 seed.

100% agree with you. KD makes more sense on the Raptors than on the Spurs.

[Fo-Real]

How much is enough money to make millionaires happy? Like once you’re in the millionaire club for simply playing basketball, at what point should you be appreciative of what you have for simply playing a sport for half a year and getting paid millions while Americans work 40-60 hours a week and come home and play basketball for free.

Sorry if I find no sympathy for professional athletes and what they think they “deserve” or want.

Also $4 million to get out of the **** that is America right now, could be appealing to a millionaire.

Appealing to me too, lol

Don't let the door hit ya.

[bwgood77]

Ultimately it will be interesting to see what we traded Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, 4 unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap for.

I expect to be uninspired so hopefully I'm happily surprised.


Also, I wonder where we will rank on the over/under for wins in the west next season. I think the main question is will we be ranked higher or lower than Portland, New Orleans and Sacramento. I think we will be for sure above Utah. Maybe 1 or 2 of those. I think we will be below all the others.

I don't understand why people still care at this point. It is what it is. Like are we going to keep track into the 2030's, 2040s?

I've just been a big fan. But always these things stand out in my mind for a long time, like not extending Joe Johnson or keeping that 2004 pick, and giving Q that big contract instead, then later trading Q for Kurt Thomas who we dump for 2 firsts. But yeah, people have continued to bring stuff like that up over the years, and I'm sure it will be brought up how we blew up the first team in 17 years to make the championship and also won the most games in history at 64 wins not only blowing up the core of the team, but 4 unprotected picks and a swap going 7 years into our future, destroying things.

It was a monumental sudden shift in team building after us waiting 10 years post Nash to become relevant again, and blown up in one night, for what appeared to be a decade.

I suppose thinking about moves over the years and how they shaped the Suns are more ingrained with us who have been Suns fans basically our whole life, ever since we could follow sports, and they are kind of a part of us, so we will remember almost everything very well and revisit it.

But yeah, I certainly understand the point of view of water under the bridge, move on, which I employ in most areas of my life. And my fandom has deteriorated to some extent due to the wrecklessness and incompetence of Ishbia, so hopefully I begin to care less and can just look at these things and shrug my shoulders after a bit and say "oh well".

[WuTang_CMB]

Since you are a Raptors fan, why would the Raptors, a team that is young and kind of rebuilding, want KD?

good question

our board is 50/50 on it but based on how Masai operates over the last decade, he's always been opportunistic no matter what stage the team is at.

They declared this year to be year 1 of our rebuild ... yet at the deadline we went out to go buy brandon ingram, albeit for cheap.

U get it .. but it may not fall under the "traditional rebuild" transactions that teams would normally do. Masai usually goes against the grain, he's always on talent acqusiiton mode and upgrade .. then figure it out later.

plus East is not like the West. You can make a few good moves and you all of a sudden have a top 4 seed.

100% agree with you. KD makes more sense on the Raptors than on the Spurs.

I hope it works out for you guys wherever you trade him to ! Love Booker.

[bwgood77]

Ultimately it will be interesting to see what we traded Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, 4 unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap for.

I expect to be uninspired so hopefully I'm happily surprised.


Also, I wonder where we will rank on the over/under for wins in the west next season. I think the main question is will we be ranked higher or lower than Portland, New Orleans and Sacramento. I think we will be for sure above Utah. Maybe 1 or 2 of those. I think we will be below all the others.

I don't understand why people still care at this point. It is what it is. Like are we going to keep track into the 2030's, 2040s?

Considering we'll be complete ass for the rest of the decade, what else will there be to talk about in 2030? Book's farewell tour season?

I mean yes, obviously people will still be talking about it in 2031 because of how we traded our 27, 29 and then tried to trade our 31 pick to salvage it...all unprotected. When you don't have nearly the young core in 2032 that other teams do despite being really bad for 5-7 years, you kind of have to look back and say "well, we traded so many picks back then, and didn't put any protections on them, so it carried into our core and now we don't have the young players that would be in their 2nd (2031 pick), 4th (2029 pick), 5th (2028 swap) and 6th years (2027 pick)....and of course our lotto pick this year and whoever swaps for next year's.

Hopefully we hit on those 3 late firsts we got for our unprotected 2031 pick. They will have to be savvy picks, because I don't expect Cleveland to get much worse.