2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[marson]

Miami's really looking to trade for every player older than Jimmy to fill their salary cap for the next two seasons and beyond.

Do you think Ware, Jovic, and JJJ can or will become players on the Jrue Holiday, DeMar DeRozan, Kevin Durant level?

Do you think Durant will secure us a chip with trading all those players? Just curious.

[EMC5466]

We’re not winning a chip anytime soon regardless, might as well have some fun watching KD cook for two or three years.

[greg4012]

We just saw two young teams get to finals on youth, athleticism and depth
And some of ya'll are clamouring to trade our youth for Derozan and Jrue. Jrue is washed. That's another Rozier trade what to happen. And Derozan is a career playoff choker.
KD I don't agree going after him but I understand the logic. But not Jrue, Derozan, or Porzingis

Who’s clamoring to trade youth for Derozan and Jrue as a standalone move?

[DayofMourning]

I want KD to grow his hair out and do some Haslem corn rows once hes traded here.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We just saw two young teams get to finals on youth, athleticism and depth
And some of ya'll are clamouring to trade our youth for Derozan and Jrue. Jrue is washed. That's another Rozier trade what to happen. And Derozan is a career playoff choker.
KD I don't agree going after him but I understand the logic. But not Jrue, Derozan, or Porzingis

Jrue just recently won a championship and was a key part in it.

[Beenie]

Zero interest in Jrue

He's 34, hasnt played 70 games in forever, coming off his worst scoring season since his rookie year, makes 30m next year, and has 2 more years left after that.

And there's no such thing as 'playoff Jrue' either to hang a hat on.

If White can be had, though, Mia should explore adding him.

[carnageta]

We just saw two young teams get to finals on youth, athleticism and depth
And some of ya'll are clamouring to trade our youth for Derozan and Jrue. Jrue is washed. That's another Rozier trade what to happen. And Derozan is a career playoff choker.
KD I don't agree going after him but I understand the logic. But not Jrue, Derozan, or Porzingis

I don't think it's fair to look at 1 finals and say "this is how team's should be built moving forward". Last year, a team made it to the finals that wasn't youthful nor athletic (i.e. Mavs). The year before 2 teams made it to the finals that weren't necessarily youthful either (Heat and Nuggets). The year before that, the Warriors made it to the finals - a team that wasn't youthful nor athletic, and had questionable depth.

It changes every year. This year it just happened to be 2 teams that are youthful, athletic, and have tons of depth. A few bounces go the other way and all of a sudden you have the Clippers or Nuggets instead of the Thunder in the finals - neither of which are youthful nor athletic.

[SA37]

Miami's really looking to trade for every player older than Jimmy to fill their salary cap for the next two seasons and beyond.

Do you think Ware, Jovic, and JJJ can or will become players on the Jrue Holiday, DeMar DeRozan, Kevin Durant level?

Do you think Durant will secure us a chip with trading all those players? Just curious.

Impossible to know, but Durant gives Miami a true alpha, an undisputed all-NBA player, and he completes a "big 3" Miami can credibly put role players around to make a deep run.

I am not real high on any of Miami's young players. Ware is the only guy I could see sniffing an all-star game, but I think his impact in the best-case scenario will be somewhere in the Myles Turner/Tyson Chandler/Brook Lopez range. I don't see Jovic being a better prospect than Keegan Murray and I think Jaquez is more likely to be a bench player than an NBA starter.

[SA37]

Zero interest in Jrue

He's 34, hasnt played 70 games in forever, coming off his worst scoring season since his rookie year, makes 30m year, and has 2 more years left after that.

And there's no such thing as 'playoff Jrue' either to hang a hat on.

If White can be had, though, Mia such explore adding him.

The Celtics aren't trading White.

If the Celtics decide to move Holiday, they would try to avoid sending him to Miami, especially if Miami acquired Durant. Marcus Smart would be the generic brand of Holiday.

The main issue with Holiday is he's a glorified role player that cashed in on the hype around deep stats and crap like that. It's how Gobert got his deals. But in the end, role players are useless if you don't have the stars in place. That is why Golden St didn't count on D Green doing some heavy lifting and went and got J Butler.

BTW, random fun fact: Steven Adams will have made $200M in the NBA once his new contract expires. Wild.

[marson]

Do you think Ware, Jovic, and JJJ can or will become players on the Jrue Holiday, DeMar DeRozan, Kevin Durant level?

Do you think Durant will secure us a chip with trading all those players? Just curious.

Impossible to know, but Durant gives Miami a true alpha, an undisputed all-NBA player, and he completes a "big 3" Miami can credibly put role players around to make a deep run.

I am not real high on any of Miami's young players. Ware is the only guy I could see sniffing an all-star game, but I think his impact in the best-case scenario will be somewhere in the Myles Turner/Tyson Chandler/Brook Lopez range. I don't see Jovic being a better prospect than Keegan Murray and I think Jaquez is more likely to be a bench player than an NBA starter.

I'm okay with parting ways with Jovic and JJJ, but giving up Ware even if he only becomes an average role player feels like too much. Plus, moving Bam back to the 5, where he really struggled last season, undoes all the progress made finding the right fit. It just doesn’t make sense to reset like that.

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[SA37]

Spoiler:

Do you think Durant will secure us a chip with trading all those players? Just curious.

Impossible to know, but Durant gives Miami a true alpha, an undisputed all-NBA player, and he completes a "big 3" Miami can credibly put role players around to make a deep run.

I am not real high on any of Miami's young players. Ware is the only guy I could see sniffing an all-star game, but I think his impact in the best-case scenario will be somewhere in the Myles Turner/Tyson Chandler/Brook Lopez range. I don't see Jovic being a better prospect than Keegan Murray and I think Jaquez is more likely to be a bench player than an NBA starter.

I'm okay with parting ways with Jovic and JJJ, but giving up Ware even if he only becomes an average role player feels like too much. Plus, moving Bam back to the 5, where he really struggled last season, undoes all the progress made finding the right fit. It just doesn’t make sense to reset like that.

To me, this is a "cart before the horse problem": Ware/Bam pairing with Miami's current roster officially makes Miami a treadmill team; Durant on Miami puts Miami 2-4 vet signings away from being a top-5 team in the East, depending on the package going out for Durant.

If you or someone thinks Ware will be an all-star or something around there, then I get wanting to pass on Durant and develop him. I don't think he is likely to reach that level, but that's just my opinion.

[MettaWorldPanda]

All the players you keep on seeing thrown out in the media are the Suns wishlist that none of these teams are going to part with.

[Wiltside]

All the players you keep on seeing thrown out in the media are the Suns wishlist that none of these teams are going to part with.

Only teams I could see swinging for him could be Toronto or the Clippers, but they don't seem willing to put forward anything of real substance.

[oreon]

We just saw two young teams get to finals on youth, athleticism and depth
And some of ya'll are clamouring to trade our youth for Derozan and Jrue. Jrue is washed. That's another Rozier trade what to happen. And Derozan is a career playoff choker.
KD I don't agree going after him but I understand the logic. But not Jrue, Derozan, or Porzingis

Jrue just recently won a championship and was a key part in it.

Go on Celts forum. They'll tell you he was washed. He's 35, he's not gonna be better next season than he was this season. He will be worse. Taking on 34 mil+ of Jrue Holiday is just dumb. You are trading for the name and not the production.
I'd rather call Jazz for Sexton

[EMC5466]

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[Vertical Limit]

I like Kuminga but not at the price hes going to get in the open market.. which i assume will be around 30 million per.. no, pass..

[Vertical Limit]

Pass on Jrue holiday, pass on anything that screws us in 2026. NO TO BAD CONTRACTS! Guys, we cant continue to take in horrible contracts that does not make us better than we were the last two seasons.

Derozan on this squad keeps us in the playin
Jrue on this squad, back to the play in
Kuminga does not net us more wins

No, just no. Stop it.

We can roll the same team we had last year and cut some salary and have the same results as taking in a bad contract, except taking a bad contract keeps us in the play-in treadmill longer

[TroubleS0me]

we need scoring. Im tired of the turd quarters. The struggle to score type of games. We cant have games like vs 2025 Cavs in the playoffs and that one game vs Jazz in the reg.season anymore.

[Hallstar]

We just experienced Lowry, we gonna trade for Jrue? NO