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What should we do at #3?

Ace Bailey
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21%
Tre Johnson
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16%
V.J. Edgecombe
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37%
Other
3
3%
Trade
20
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#741 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:16 am

76ciology wrote:[x]
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To piggyback from the same article:

The Stein Line has learned that Ace Bailey is scheduled to fly into Philadelphia on Thursday for a much-anticipated visit with the Sixers.

Philadelphia holds the No. 3 overall pick and Bailey, to this point, has not worked out for any team, adamant in his belief that he will fall no lower than No. 3 in next Wednesday's Round 1 proceedings despite recent suggestions that he could indeed drop some.

The Rutgers forward is expected, as seen with Flagg in Dallas, to focus on meetings with team officials on his first day in Philly before proceeding to an on-court workout at the team's facilities Friday.

One source briefed on the situation told The Stein Line that the Sixers, one week out, appear most likely to hold firm at No. 3 as it stands … emphasis on as it stands.


https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-latest-nba-draft-intel-kevin?r=1m9zg&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Edgecombe/Gordon
Oubre/Edwards/Council
George/()/()
Embiid/Bona/Drummond
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Post#742 » by stormi » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:23 am

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Not enough of a gap between Harper and VJ to make this deal worthwhile.
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#743 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:29 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:
Covi_Marsh wrote:[x]
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My theory is the prospects who are the “athletic” guys (VJ & Ace), they are bringing in for actual workouts to see it up close. The guys they are more sure about skill wise (Kon & Tre) they are doing a more interview process because they are more confident of their abilities. No reason to have Kon and Tre in the facility to watch them make 99 out of 100 jumpers 8-)


I’d want to put Kon and Tre through the paces defensively but agree that a shooting workout is pointless for them.


Make Kon try and do some pull-ups against a scarecrow for a guard. Hope he could hit 20%, it'd be an improvement for him. :lol:
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Post#744 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:33 am

“The Philadelphia 76ers plan to give Joel Embiid, Paul George, and Tyrese Maxey another chance next season to compete for a championship

By simply staying at No. 3, Philadelphia would introduce an $11.1 million salary onto its books for 2025-26. So the Sixers expect to operate near (or maybe even above) the second apron for this upcoming campaign, sources say, as they prepare to give Joel Embiid, Paul George and Tyrese Maxeyanother shot to try to contend for a championship after they managed to appear in just 15 games (7-8) together this season.”
- Marc Stein

Could be true, or it could be a way of sending signal to other team that.. “We’re passing on Bailey and trading down, not because he’s a bad prospect, but because his development timeline doesn’t align with our current window.”
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I have no idea how credible he is but he is a beat writer for The Salt Lake Tribune.


Larsen responded to a fake account post and didn't say it happened, just that he personally thinks Sixers could have done it but the mighty and smarter Jazz (he's a locked on Jazz guy) said no.

AKA, BS.
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Post#746 » by stormi » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:37 am

Black Mage wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:My theory is the prospects who are the “athletic” guys (VJ & Ace), they are bringing in for actual workouts to see it up close. The guys they are more sure about skill wise (Kon & Tre) they are doing a more interview process because they are more confident of their abilities. No reason to have Kon and Tre in the facility to watch them make 99 out of 100 jumpers 8-)


I’d want to put Kon and Tre through the paces defensively but agree that a shooting workout is pointless for them.


Make Kon try and do some pull-ups against a scarecrow for a guard. Hope he could hit 20%, it'd be an improvement for him. :lol:


Famously would have passed on Kevin Durant for his lack of bench pressing.

Wait, didn't Kon have 2 more inches on vert than Ace :lol:

Athletics was his only sell and he measured out 3" smaller than expected and got out jumped by the most accountant looking dude in the draft.
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Post#747 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:38 am

sodmoraes wrote:"Tre Johnson | 6-5 wing | 19 years old | Texas
Eastern Conference scout No. 1: He has a chance to be one of the top-three players. He has the talent to do it. And I think he has the mindset. He’s been a really hard player to like. I’ve watched him for three years. He’s a hard player to like, because he seems like he’s a selfish player. … He wants to win, and he tries to win, but the only way he thinks he can win is doing it himself. He didn’t have a good team in Texas, but he’s been on some good teams when he was bad. He was on the USA Basketball (U-19) team in Europe. His body language and his game didn’t support all the hype he was getting. But this year, I was at some of his best games. In the end … he’s just f—– good. He can score. On a team devoid of scoring, there’s something to be said for that. … The shot-making is going to give him a chance. It’s going to be about fit for him. Like Brandon Miller, maybe, where he goes to a place and plays really well. But if he goes to a s—-y team, he might look s—-y. If he has a couple of good vets around that can help him and that he respects, he has a chance to be good. Tre is the hardest worker, from everybody I’ve talked to, at Texas."

Seems like Tre may be a ball hog...


I kept saying the on court antics can't be overlooked. I have no interest in having Tre and Joel do an arm "flap-off" at each other while the other team is dunking the ball while playing 5 on 3.
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#748 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:44 am

stormi wrote:
Black Mage wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:
I’d want to put Kon and Tre through the paces defensively but agree that a shooting workout is pointless for them.


Make Kon try and do some pull-ups against a scarecrow for a guard. Hope he could hit 20%, it'd be an improvement for him. :lol:


Famously would have passed on Kevin Durant for his lack of bench pressing.

Wait, didn't Kon have 2 more inches on vert than Ace :lol:

Athletics was his only sell and he measured out 3" smaller than expected and got out jumped by the most accountant looking dude in the draft.


Learned nothing from the Mike Mamula combine have we?

::EDIT:: Also, just dawned on me that you read "pull-ups" to mean a strength test when I clearly indicated it was meant as his lack of a shooting skill. You've reached delusional denial stage for Kon I see.
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Post#749 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:48 am

Sam Vecenie on Tre Johnson’s defense

Defensively, Johnson knew where he was supposed to be and wasn't responsible for many breakdowns this year, but he also didn't help his team all that much. On the ball, though Johnson is competitive, he's not all that disruptive. Because he doesn't have a lot of length or strength, he struggles to displace anybody or wall up consistently even when he beats opposing players to a spot. If he gets clipped on a screen, it's hard for him to get all the way back into the play effectively. Felt like he gave up a few more drives than you would like to see this year.

Off the ball, Johnson also isn't much of a playmaker. Doesn't really get steals; not a threat to block shots on contests or rotate across the court and create havoc. Averaged 1.1 steals and 0.3 blocks this year. Didn't feel like there were a lot of deflections.

Just knows where he needs to be and doesn't break down. However, not a lot of disruption to what the other team wants to do on that end, either.


Tre Johnson’s rim pressure

The biggest problem for Johnson is his inability to consistently create rim pressure or finish at the basket. Despite attempting a robust 16 shots per game this season, Johnson took just two of those shots per game in half-court settings at the basket, a remarkably low number for someone with this kind of usage. Because of the issues mentioned above, particularly about contact balance and the ability to really go up through a bump, he struggles to get all the way to the rim.

But even when he gets to the rim, Johnson doesn't take advantage. Made just 46.5 percent of his shots at the rim this season, including 45.6 percent of his layups with only two dunks. Feels like he often leans away from contact. Doesn't explode upward, as mentioned above. Also doesn't have a lot of length to extend and really finish. Was at his best when he attacked closeouts or when he got the ball on the move in a dribble-handoff or in semi-transition. This is a concern in terms of having star-level upside as a scorer. Needs to find answers in terms of creating consistent rim pressure and getting paint touches.
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Post#750 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:01 am

76ciology wrote:Sam Vecenie on Tre Johnson’s defense

Defensively, Johnson knew where he was supposed to be and wasn't responsible for many breakdowns this year, but he also didn't help his team all that much. On the ball, though Johnson is competitive, he's not all that disruptive. Because he doesn't have a lot of length or strength, he struggles to displace anybody or wall up consistently even when he beats opposing players to a spot. If he gets clipped on a screen, it's hard for him to get all the way back into the play effectively. Felt like he gave up a few more drives than you would like to see this year.

Off the ball, Johnson also isn't much of a playmaker. Doesn't really get steals; not a threat to block shots on contests or rotate across the court and create havoc. Averaged 1.1 steals and 0.3 blocks this year. Didn't feel like there were a lot of deflections.

Just knows where he needs to be and doesn't break down. However, not a lot of disruption to what the other team wants to do on that end, either.


Tre Johnson’s rim pressure

The biggest problem for Johnson is his inability to consistently create rim pressure or finish at the basket. Despite attempting a robust 16 shots per game this season, Johnson took just two of those shots per game in half-court settings at the basket, a remarkably low number for someone with this kind of usage. Because of the issues mentioned above, particularly about contact balance and the ability to really go up through a bump, he struggles to get all the way to the rim.

But even when he gets to the rim, Johnson doesn't take advantage. Made just 46.5 percent of his shots at the rim this season, including 45.6 percent of his layups with only two dunks. Feels like he often leans away from contact. Doesn't explode upward, as mentioned above. Also doesn't have a lot of length to extend and really finish. Was at his best when he attacked closeouts or when he got the ball on the move in a dribble-handoff or in semi-transition. This is a concern in terms of having star-level upside as a scorer. Needs to find answers in terms of creating consistent rim pressure and getting paint touches.


How is a 6'10" wingspan "not a lot of length?" Maybe Vecenie swapped Kon's wingspan to Tre; like he swapped Kon's pull-up jumper stats to VJ. :lol:
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Post#751 » by stormi » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:02 am

Black Mage wrote:
stormi wrote:
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Make Kon try and do some pull-ups against a scarecrow for a guard. Hope he could hit 20%, it'd be an improvement for him. :lol:


Famously would have passed on Kevin Durant for his lack of bench pressing.

Wait, didn't Kon have 2 more inches on vert than Ace :lol:

Athletics was his only sell and he measured out 3" smaller than expected and got out jumped by the most accountant looking dude in the draft.


Learned nothing from the Mike Mamula combine have we?


Not familiar. Did some research, it's rather fascinating. Although football is much more of an 'i'm going to dominant the guy across from me for this snap' sort of a sport than basketball is. Some positions are less cerebral than others.

There have been teams like the Colts who've been obsessed with drafting 10.0 RAS score freaks that have busted. Anthony Richardson & Jelani Woods come to mind.

Although it sounds like Mamula was quite the thinker as well, nearly a perfect score on the Wonderlic. Ace fans have been going at VJ for his alleged fake birthday (undertones?). I think it's far more likely that Bailey illegitimately got into college, from watching him play anyways. If they did academic testing at the NBA combine, players like Ace would be mass put on DND lists.

Mamula wouldn't have had a negative assist to turnover ratio, don't compare him to the common brute.
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Post#752 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:03 am

Edgecombe shooting:


Great 3-point shooter off the catch. Simple, comfortable, repeatable mechanics. Shot looks the same off the catch every time. Can take it as more of a set shot or really elevate into it if there is a tight closeout. Bit of an exaggerated rhythm ball dip. Had a bit of a stiff motion at the top of his shot in high school, but he worked to make that more fluid at Baylor, and the ball comes out of his hand softly. Consistently drilled shots from distance in high school and in college. Hit 39.5 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s at Long Island Lutheran as a senior, per Synergy, and 47.2 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s as a junior. Well over 40 percent on over 200 attempts in those two years.

Made 36.3 percent of his 3s off the catch at Baylor, per Synergy. Has improved his shot prep, and that's made him more lethal off screens. Made 10 of his 21 attempts from 3 this year off screens. Off the catch, uses his pump fakes well to get defenders off-balance. Because he has that great first step, he's a constant threat to get into the paint if you don't close out under control. Really tough guard off the ball, and that ability to hit 3s off screens makes him all the tougher to deal with because it allows him to potentially catch and attack on the move.


Edgecombe’s growth during the season
Showcased growth throughout the season. Averaged 17 points over his final 21 games. Shot far better later in the season than early as he got more comfortable with the speed of the game. Hit 45.3 percent from the field and 36.5 percent from 3 over that time.


Edgecombe “on the ball”
On the ball, Edgecombe has improved over the last few years at opening those angles with his change-of-pace ability. Loves to take hang dribbles or little inside-out dribbles to freeze the defender. His hesitation moves are nasty because of that first step. Can hit the opposing defender with a quick crossover and drive off that. Has some slick one-hand gathers and showed flashes with Eurosteps into floaters, especially as the season went on. There's a lot of room for growth with his handle still, and that will determine his upside as an NBA player.

Shows flashes as a passer and playmaker but has room for growth here, too. His vision is strong, and he sees the necessary kickouts across the court. Hits creative lob looks to his rolling bigs or cutters, as well as hits cross-corner kickouts regularly.
Really showed up well in this respect at Nike Hoop Summit, where several scouts came away impressed and felt like he had potential to be a point guard down the road as his handle improves. Had some positive moments at Baylor hitting kickouts, too. Averaged 3.2 assists per game versus only two turnovers, although the turnover issue could be a bit larger in the NBA for reasons we'll break down in the next section.


Edgecombe’s handle short term

His handle isn't quite good enough right now to play as a true lead option. It is a bit rudimentary compared with NBA guards.

Not really a guy who strings together multiple moves. Can hit one quick crossover but doesn't have the largest bag of counters if defenders cut that early attempt off. His on-ball game in screens isn't that advanced yet. Has moments when he uses hang dribbles to keep his man on his hip but just hasn't had a lot of reps in these situations. Haven't seen many reps him splitting ball screens effectively. In general, just doesn't get the number of paint touches you'd expect someone of this athleticism level to get.

Struggled with teams putting two on the ball or blitzing his ball screen. I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable with him facing extremely high-level ball pressure in the backcourt possession after possession. Must improve this ability. Turned it over often against teams like Houston and St. John's that really got after the ball.

His left hand is a problem, and that extends to all facets of his game. Doesn't feel like he often uses the left as a driver other than just to cross over and get back to his right. Not as tight to the body with his left-hand dribble. Seems to sometimes lose control of the ball. Don't think he absorbs bumps on the perimeter while controlling the ball all that well when it's in his left.

And just doesn't really eat up that much space with the left. All these issues lead to self-creation questions. The athletic profile is there for Edgecombe to be a seriously gifted playmaker in these circumstances. Needs to keep getting in the gym and working, something that shouldn't be an issue given his meteoric rise. But don't expect a ready-made playmaker, either.


Edgecombe’s rim finishing issue

His game as a finisher is an issue. Made just 48.9 percent of his attempts at the rim in half-court settings for Baylor, per Synergy. Made under 45 percent as a junior in high school in half-court settings at the rim and only 52 percent as a senior.

What happens on those misses? First and foremost, Edgecombe needs to drastically improve that left hand. Is generally willing to take shots with his left, but the touch through contact doesn't quite hold up. Edgecombe's takeoff point can be too far from the rim at times. His gathers are an issue. Instead of using slow-step footwork consistently to decelerate (i.e., Eurosteps), he tends to just plant and go up. This might be where l'd recommend he spend most of his time in training over the next two years given his potential. Also think he could stand to try to go into the contact a bit more given his explosiveness.
Will at times lean away from contact and make his life harder. Has never drawn a lot of fouls. Only averaged 4.3 free-throw attempts per game this season. This comes back to his footwork on his gathers.


I came away with the impression that he can be a high impact role player now but he has some real upside for growth as an on ball scorer. I think he has a high chance to be Oladipo 2.0
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#753 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:04 am

76ciology wrote:Sam Vecenie on Tre Johnson’s defense

Defensively, Johnson knew where he was supposed to be and wasn't responsible for many breakdowns this year, but he also didn't help his team all that much. On the ball, though Johnson is competitive, he's not all that disruptive. Because he doesn't have a lot of length or strength, he struggles to displace anybody or wall up consistently even when he beats opposing players to a spot. If he gets clipped on a screen, it's hard for him to get all the way back into the play effectively. Felt like he gave up a few more drives than you would like to see this year.

Off the ball, Johnson also isn't much of a playmaker. Doesn't really get steals; not a threat to block shots on contests or rotate across the court and create havoc. Averaged 1.1 steals and 0.3 blocks this year. Didn't feel like there were a lot of deflections.

Just knows where he needs to be and doesn't break down. However, not a lot of disruption to what the other team wants to do on that end, either.


Tre Johnson’s rim pressure

The biggest problem for Johnson is his inability to consistently create rim pressure or finish at the basket. Despite attempting a robust 16 shots per game this season, Johnson took just two of those shots per game in half-court settings at the basket, a remarkably low number for someone with this kind of usage. Because of the issues mentioned above, particularly about contact balance and the ability to really go up through a bump, he struggles to get all the way to the rim.

But even when he gets to the rim, Johnson doesn't take advantage. Made just 46.5 percent of his shots at the rim this season, including 45.6 percent of his layups with only two dunks. Feels like he often leans away from contact. Doesn't explode upward, as mentioned above. Also doesn't have a lot of length to extend and really finish. Was at his best when he attacked closeouts or when he got the ball on the move in a dribble-handoff or in semi-transition. This is a concern in terms of having star-level upside as a scorer. Needs to find answers in terms of creating consistent rim pressure and getting paint touches.


Johnson has a wingspan over 6’10” (+6”) and this guy keeps saying he doesn’t have length.
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Post#754 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:09 am

76ciology wrote:Edgecombe shooting:


Great 3-point shooter off the catch. Simple, comfortable, repeatable mechanics. Shot looks the same off the catch every time. Can take it as more of a set shot or really elevate into it if there is a tight closeout. Bit of an exaggerated rhythm ball dip. Had a bit of a stiff motion at the top of his shot in high school, but he worked to make that more fluid at Baylor, and the ball comes out of his hand softly. Consistently drilled shots from distance in high school and in college. Hit 39.5 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s at Long Island Lutheran as a senior, per Synergy, and 47.2 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s as a junior. Well over 40 percent on over 200 attempts in those two years.

Made 36.3 percent of his 3s off the catch at Baylor, per Synergy. Has improved his shot prep, and that's made him more lethal off screens. Made 10 of his 21 attempts from 3 this year off screens. Off the catch, uses his pump fakes well to get defenders off-balance. Because he has that great first step, he's a constant threat to get into the paint if you don't close out under control. Really tough guard off the ball, and that ability to hit 3s off screens makes him all the tougher to deal with because it allows him to potentially catch and attack on the move.


Edgecombe’s growth during the season
Showcased growth throughout the season. Averaged 17 points over his final 21 games. Shot far better later in the season than early as he got more comfortable with the speed of the game. Hit 45.3 percent from the field and 36.5 percent from 3 over that time.


Edgecombe “on the ball”
On the ball, Edgecombe has improved over the last few years at opening those angles with his change-of-pace ability. Loves to take hang dribbles or little inside-out dribbles to freeze the defender. His hesitation moves are nasty because of that first step. Can hit the opposing defender with a quick crossover and drive off that. Has some slick one-hand gathers and showed flashes with Eurosteps into floaters, especially as the season went on. There's a lot of room for growth with his handle still, and that will determine his upside as an NBA player.

Shows flashes as a passer and playmaker but has room for growth here, too. His vision is strong, and he sees the necessary kickouts across the court. Hits creative lob looks to his rolling bigs or cutters, as well as hits cross-corner kickouts regularly.
Really showed up well in this respect at Nike Hoop Summit, where several scouts came away impressed and felt like he had potential to be a point guard down the road as his handle improves. Had some positive moments at Baylor hitting kickouts, too. Averaged 3.2 assists per game versus only two turnovers, although the turnover issue could be a bit larger in the NBA for reasons we'll break down in the next section.


Edgecombe’s handle short term

His handle isn't quite good enough right now to play as a true lead option. It is a bit rudimentary compared with NBA guards.

Not really a guy who strings together multiple moves. Can hit one quick crossover but doesn't have the largest bag of counters if defenders cut that early attempt off. His on-ball game in screens isn't that advanced yet. Has moments when he uses hang dribbles to keep his man on his hip but just hasn't had a lot of reps in these situations. Haven't seen many reps him splitting ball screens effectively. In general, just doesn't get the number of paint touches you'd expect someone of this athleticism level to get.

Struggled with teams putting two on the ball or blitzing his ball screen. I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable with him facing extremely high-level ball pressure in the backcourt possession after possession. Must improve this ability. Turned it over often against teams like Houston and St. John's that really got after the ball.

His left hand is a problem, and that extends to all facets of his game. Doesn't feel like he often uses the left as a driver other than just to cross over and get back to his right. Not as tight to the body with his left-hand dribble. Seems to sometimes lose control of the ball. Don't think he absorbs bumps on the perimeter while controlling the ball all that well when it's in his left.

And just doesn't really eat up that much space with the left. All these issues lead to self-creation questions. The athletic profile is there for Edgecombe to be a seriously gifted playmaker in these circumstances. Needs to keep getting in the gym and working, something that shouldn't be an issue given his meteoric rise. But don't expect a ready-made playmaker, either.


Edgecombe’s rim finishing issue

His game as a finisher is an issue. Made just 48.9 percent of his attempts at the rim in half-court settings for Baylor, per Synergy. Made under 45 percent as a junior in high school in half-court settings at the rim and only 52 percent as a senior.

What happens on those misses? First and foremost, Edgecombe needs to drastically improve that left hand. Is generally willing to take shots with his left, but the touch through contact doesn't quite hold up. Edgecombe's takeoff point can be too far from the rim at times. His gathers are an issue. Instead of using slow-step footwork consistently to decelerate (i.e., Eurosteps), he tends to just plant and go up. This might be where l'd recommend he spend most of his time in training over the next two years given his potential. Also think he could stand to try to go into the contact a bit more given his explosiveness.
Will at times lean away from contact and make his life harder. Has never drawn a lot of fouls. Only averaged 4.3 free-throw attempts per game this season. This comes back to his footwork on his gathers.


I come away with the impression that he can be a high impact role player now but he has some real upside for growth as an on ball scorer. I think he has a high chance to be Oladipo 2.0


I come away that he is a 3&D shooting guard.

VJ Melton.
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#755 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:09 am

stormi wrote:
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Famously would have passed on Kevin Durant for his lack of bench pressing.

Wait, didn't Kon have 2 more inches on vert than Ace :lol:

Athletics was his only sell and he measured out 3" smaller than expected and got out jumped by the most accountant looking dude in the draft.


Learned nothing from the Mike Mamula combine have we?


Not familiar. Did some research, it's rather fascinating. Although football is much more of an 'i'm going to dominant the guy across from me for this snap' sort of a sport than basketball is. Some positions are less cerebral than others.

There have been teams like the Colts who've been obsessed with drafting 10.0 RAS score freaks that have busted. Anthony Richardson & Jelani Woods come to mind.

Although it sounds like Mamula was quite the thinker as well, nearly a perfect score on the Wonderlic. Ace fans have been going at VJ for his alleged fake birthday (undertones?). I think it's far more likely that Bailey illegitimately got into college, from watching him play anyways. If they did academic testing at the NBA combine, players like Ace would be mass put on DND lists.

Mamula wouldn't have had a negative assist to turnover ratio, don't compare him to the common brute.


It’s funny, how back then it was fine to refer players to have low IQ.

Now it’s just referred to being “lack of feel” which I find is leading to it being less of a red flag.

“It’s OK son, you just have a ‘lack of feel’ for your math subject”.
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#756 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:10 am

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76ciology wrote:Sam Vecenie on Tre Johnson’s defense

Defensively, Johnson knew where he was supposed to be and wasn't responsible for many breakdowns this year, but he also didn't help his team all that much. On the ball, though Johnson is competitive, he's not all that disruptive. Because he doesn't have a lot of length or strength, he struggles to displace anybody or wall up consistently even when he beats opposing players to a spot. If he gets clipped on a screen, it's hard for him to get all the way back into the play effectively. Felt like he gave up a few more drives than you would like to see this year.

Off the ball, Johnson also isn't much of a playmaker. Doesn't really get steals; not a threat to block shots on contests or rotate across the court and create havoc. Averaged 1.1 steals and 0.3 blocks this year. Didn't feel like there were a lot of deflections.

Just knows where he needs to be and doesn't break down. However, not a lot of disruption to what the other team wants to do on that end, either.


Tre Johnson’s rim pressure

The biggest problem for Johnson is his inability to consistently create rim pressure or finish at the basket. Despite attempting a robust 16 shots per game this season, Johnson took just two of those shots per game in half-court settings at the basket, a remarkably low number for someone with this kind of usage. Because of the issues mentioned above, particularly about contact balance and the ability to really go up through a bump, he struggles to get all the way to the rim.

But even when he gets to the rim, Johnson doesn't take advantage. Made just 46.5 percent of his shots at the rim this season, including 45.6 percent of his layups with only two dunks. Feels like he often leans away from contact. Doesn't explode upward, as mentioned above. Also doesn't have a lot of length to extend and really finish. Was at his best when he attacked closeouts or when he got the ball on the move in a dribble-handoff or in semi-transition. This is a concern in terms of having star-level upside as a scorer. Needs to find answers in terms of creating consistent rim pressure and getting paint touches.


Johnson has a wingspan over 6’10” (+6”) and this guy keeps saying he doesn’t have length.


I always trusted Vecenie; but he's made some really really egregious blunders in his draft stuff this year. From mixing up prospect stats; to seeming to use outdated information and forgetting to update the information.
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#757 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:13 am

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76ciology wrote:Sam Vecenie on Tre Johnson’s defense

Defensively, Johnson knew where he was supposed to be and wasn't responsible for many breakdowns this year, but he also didn't help his team all that much. On the ball, though Johnson is competitive, he's not all that disruptive. Because he doesn't have a lot of length or strength, he struggles to displace anybody or wall up consistently even when he beats opposing players to a spot. If he gets clipped on a screen, it's hard for him to get all the way back into the play effectively. Felt like he gave up a few more drives than you would like to see this year.

Off the ball, Johnson also isn't much of a playmaker. Doesn't really get steals; not a threat to block shots on contests or rotate across the court and create havoc. Averaged 1.1 steals and 0.3 blocks this year. Didn't feel like there were a lot of deflections.

Just knows where he needs to be and doesn't break down. However, not a lot of disruption to what the other team wants to do on that end, either.


Tre Johnson’s rim pressure

The biggest problem for Johnson is his inability to consistently create rim pressure or finish at the basket. Despite attempting a robust 16 shots per game this season, Johnson took just two of those shots per game in half-court settings at the basket, a remarkably low number for someone with this kind of usage. Because of the issues mentioned above, particularly about contact balance and the ability to really go up through a bump, he struggles to get all the way to the rim.

But even when he gets to the rim, Johnson doesn't take advantage. Made just 46.5 percent of his shots at the rim this season, including 45.6 percent of his layups with only two dunks. Feels like he often leans away from contact. Doesn't explode upward, as mentioned above. Also doesn't have a lot of length to extend and really finish. Was at his best when he attacked closeouts or when he got the ball on the move in a dribble-handoff or in semi-transition. This is a concern in terms of having star-level upside as a scorer. Needs to find answers in terms of creating consistent rim pressure and getting paint touches.


Johnson has a wingspan over 6’10” (+6”) and this guy keeps saying he doesn’t have length.


If you read his writing, he referred to it as “he doesn’t have a lot of length or strength,” which might mean he’s not saying the 6’10” wingspan is short, but rather that it’s not exceptional relative to HIS standards. It’s unclear what he considers “a lot of length.” He also mentioned “or strength,” so it could simply be a strength issue, or a combination of both.
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Post#758 » by sodmoraes » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:37 am

Im always team Bailey, but im kinda of warming up on VJ as a second option, if we dont go with Ace. Saw some highlights of him playing for Bahamas and his athletic abilities are impressive, and he even had some nice dribbles too. His shooting isnt bad either, although i dont think he will ever shoot well off the dribble.

My other options were: a) to draft Tre or b) trade up to get Harper but i dont think Harper will be that good to give a pick for him( worried about his 3 ball), and im starting to have doubts about Tre, after i saw that Aldridge article.
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Post#759 » by stormi » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:41 am

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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III 

Post#760 » by stormi » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:47 am

stormi wrote:I do find it a tab bit amusing how everytime it leaks how much the Sixers are enamoured with VJ

— Dinner w/ 76ers brass with Maxey flown in from Texas to attend
— Workout done & dusted

They get a media mouthpiece to counter-brief with Ace propaganda. His stock seems to be naturally correcting itself anyways, however we lose all leverage in a potential trade back scenario (if the hypothetical deal is enticing enough) if there isn't at least the threat that we'd draft Bailey.

Clearly Charlotte don't want Bailey, so in a trade back scenario with, say NO, if they were to include Herb or especially Murphy. There would be zero incentive on their behalf to trade up so high and splurge as many assets.


Like I said earlier, it's blatantly obvious that for the 76ers, their priorities are either of Harper, Edgecombe or trading back.

We've been stringing Ace's name along as leverage in a potential trade back scenario for another team that might want him. Ace giving us the middle finger is probably the most dignifiable & impressive thing I've seen from him.

Absolutely no point showing up and humiliating yourself during a shooting workout for a team that doesn't actually want you.

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