Hawks re-tool

[nolaPELSfan]

Risacher, J.Johnson, Okongwu, Mann & Niang
for
Murphy, Herb, Missi, Olynyk, McCollum & #7



Trae/Dyson/Herb/Murphy/Missi
CJ/Bufkin/Vit/Barlow/Olynyk
Gueye, #7 #13 & #22


Dejounte/Zion/Risacher/Johnson/Okongwu
Elf/Mann/Reeves/Karlo/Niang
Jose/Boston/Hawkins, #23


Hawks do it to build out around Trae's timeline with better fitting players on great contracts and expiring-yet-helpful contracts, and a higher lotto pick than they had. They would have 3 good picks for the future in this draft. They can sub CJ and Olynyk into the starting lineup in place of Dyson(or Herb) and Missi for a lethal 3 pt shooting lineup, or use the starting lineup listed for a killer defense.

Pelicans do it to get defensive players with better scoring versatility who fit great around Zion.

[jayu70]

Risacher, J.Johnson, Okongwu, Mann & Niang
for
Murphy, Herb, Missi, Olynyk, McCollum & #7



Trae/Dyson/Herb/Murphy/Missi
CJ/Bufkin/Vit/Barlow/Olynyk
Gueye, #7 #13 & #22


Dejounte/Zion/Risacher/Johnson/Okongwu
Elf/Mann/Reeves/Karlo/Niang
Jose/Boston/Hawkins, #23


Hawks do it to build out around Trae's timeline with better fitting players on great contracts and expiring-yet-helpful contracts, and a higher lotto pick than they had. They would have 3 good picks for the future in this draft. They can sub CJ and Olynyk into the starting lineup in place of Dyson(or Herb) and Missi for a lethal 3 pt shooting lineup, or use the starting lineup listed for a killer defense.

Pelicans do it to get defensive players with better scoring versatility who fit great around Zion.

Hawks pass.
I think they prefer to keep 'the defensive players with better scoring versatility who fit great around Trae'

[Skybox]

Maybe you should just be an ATL fan…easier than swapping rosters

[nolaPELSfan]

My thinking was that Bryson Graham had a big hand in acquiring those players, and that it might be tough for him not to at least consider trading for like 6 years of his labor lol. Good supporting cast but Zion's availability issues made their roles constantly in flux, that and Willie Green's rotations, and generally having too many guards to fit in. I really do think they fit great around Trae. Graham shouldn't be worried about it at the new gig, but it would be a chance to prove it wasn't a failure on his account. Might be more tempting to him specifically than to most others.

[kg01]

I mean, he's not the GM so it's not like all their moves are gonna be him acquiring all the guys he scouted.

The Hawks finally started moving toward gettin it right around Trae. Why start over to remake the Pelicans?

[nolaPELSfan]

Hawks pass.
I think they prefer to keep 'the defensive players with better scoring versatility who fit great around Trae'

I look at it like: Murphy is a more offense geared forward compared to Johnson, with JJ having the defensive edge, Okongu has the offensive edge rn over Missi, but Missi has better defense and more potential. Kelly replaces the 3 production from a big off the bench. CJ is a perfect backup for Trae, probably win 6th man oty. I'd rather play Herb or CJ than Mann. Pels should have been played Dyson and Herb together the whole time, just hard to do with Zion obviously.

[nolaPELSfan]

I mean, he's not the GM so it's not like all their moves are gonna be him acquiring all the guys he scouted.

The Hawks finally started moving toward gettin it right around Trae. Why start over to remake the Pelicans?

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Ah man they are lucky they are in the east i guess. They remind me of like a Pels or Blazers level roster, and i've been trying to get teams at that level to help each other out(not saying i did good). But i keep seeing Blazers fans in particular (other sites) that are like "why would we want anything from team X? We're doing things the right way.." and it is so hard to refrain from being like "Yeah but youre still competing for dead last in a stacked west with us next year.." No offense but thats the kind of vibe i get from this. They are fun tho, same for POR. But i feel like thats the best we 3 can hope for lol.

[jayu70]

Hawks pass.
I think they prefer to keep 'the defensive players with better scoring versatility who fit great around Trae'

I look at it like: Murphy is a more offense geared forward compared to Johnson, with JJ having the defensive edge, Okongu has the offensive edge rn over Missi, but Missi has better defense and more potential. Kelly replaces the 3 production from a big off the bench. CJ is a perfect backup for Trae, probably win 6th man oty. I'd rather play Herb or CJ than Mann. Pels should have been played Dyson and Herb together the whole time, just hard to do with Zion obviously.

It's the wrong direction overall. Both Herb and Murphy coming off shoulder injuries. We have our own guy with JJ too but, better the devil we know. We are going away from being too Trae-centric with JJ and Risacher's ability to handle the ball on the wings, this trade would set us back in relying too much on Trae to generate offense.
Hawks would have a similar issue with spacing playing Dyson, Herb and Missi.

[nolaPELSfan]

how about
Murphy, Missi & Olynyk
for
JJ & Okongwu
?

or
Murphy, #7 & #23
for
JJ, #13 & #22
?

[dms269]

how about
Murphy, Missi & Olynyk
for
JJ & Okongwu
?

Jalen is a much better fit on Atlanta's roster than Murphy is. Murphy forces Atlanta to move Risacher to the bench and forces them to try and find a capable starting PF.

[nolaPELSfan]

Murphy is best at the 4 too though.

[Ball4life32]

Murphy is best at the 4 too though.

How when he only averages 5 rpg in 35 mins? Also sorry to me Zion is not a 3 let alone a 2. He’s a 4 all the way.

[SkyHook]

Risacher, J.Johnson, Okongwu, Mann & Niang
for
Murphy, Herb, Missi, Olynyk, McCollum & #7



Trae/Dyson/Herb/Murphy/Missi
CJ/Bufkin/Vit/Barlow/Olynyk
Gueye, #7 #13 & #22


Dejounte/Zion/Risacher/Johnson/Okongwu
Elf/Mann/Reeves/Karlo/Niang
Jose/Boston/Hawkins, #23


Hawks do it to build out around Trae's timeline with better fitting players on great contracts and expiring-yet-helpful contracts, and a higher lotto pick than they had. They would have 3 good picks for the future in this draft. They can sub CJ and Olynyk into the starting lineup in place of Dyson(or Herb) and Missi for a lethal 3 pt shooting lineup, or use the starting lineup listed for a killer defense.

Pelicans do it to get defensive players with better scoring versatility who fit great around Zion.

Just like last years ATL/NOP trade, I like it way more for the Hawks than the Pels.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I mean, he's not the GM so it's not like all their moves are gonna be him acquiring all the guys he scouted.

The Hawks finally started moving toward gettin it right around Trae. Why start over to remake the Pelicans?

Ah man they are lucky they are in the east i guess. They remind me of like a Pels or Blazers level roster, and i've been trying to get teams at that level to help each other out(not saying i did good). But i keep seeing Blazers fans in particular (other sites) that are like "why would we want anything from team X? We're doing things the right way.." and it is so hard to refrain from being like "Yeah but youre still competing for dead last in a stacked west with us next year.." No offense but thats the kind of vibe i get from this. They are fun tho, same for POR. But i feel like thats the best we 3 can hope for lol.

Well for starters, the trio of teams mentioned here are in very different situations.

Blazers still looking for either one of their young guys to breakout as a number 1 or find someone that can be the #1 for them. At best, they'd probably give you Grant/Ayton for whatever asset is appealing to them to make a future trade with and/or build around(Murphy/Zion). I'm assuming the Portland offer probably isn't giving them much of a directions or idea of how they will get a #1.

Hawks have their #1, and have the fitting pieces around him to take the next step with. Those same pieces also have the upside to be difference makers if they continue to develop. Would I like to have Murphy or Herb coming off the bench? Sure. I'm not swapping rosters to make that happen though.

The Pels seem to have a #1, but Zion can't stay on the floor, and money is tied up into what is their core. The situation isn't dire at all though.

The trade proposed has Atlanta giving up their upside for high floor vets. Not to mention the versatility that JJ and Zacch offer alongside Dys. So the question really does become, "Why do we do this?".

If NO's is looking for a different fit around Zion, I don't think it requires a complete roster makeover. Barring health, NO's just needs to get off McCollum. DJM is a solid PG. Herb is an elite defender. Murphy gives you elite shooting. NO's should focus more on rounding the roster out, than swapping rosters with another team.

[nolaPELSfan]

Murphy is best at the 4 too though.

How when he only averages 5 rpg in 35 mins? Also sorry to me Zion is not a 3 let alone a 2. He’s a 4 all the way.

His rebounding is a bit of an issue, true, but he's just best to stretch the defense that way. If you have slashing or cutting guards, or ones who can get into the paint then facilitate (I'd say you would) then Trey can elevate to the wing for easy kickouts and/or to make them commit as not to leave him there, enabling the drives, then the kicks, rinse repeat. It would be a nightmare for most bigs trying to guard him. Let Risacher guard the 4's on defense?

[ThatBoyNick]

I like the pieces the Hawks have, they just need to focus on building up the depth, keeping the guys developing and bought-in.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Murphy is best at the 4 too though.

How when he only averages 5 rpg in 35 mins? Also sorry to me Zion is not a 3 let alone a 2. He’s a 4 all the way.

His rebounding is a bit of an issue, true, but he's just best to stretch the defense that way. If you have slashing or cutting guards, or ones who can get into the paint then facilitate (I'd say you would) then Trey can elevate to the wing for easy kickouts and/or to make them commit as not to leave him there, enabling the drives, then the kicks, rinse repeat. It would be a nightmare for most bigs trying to guard him. Let Risacher guard the 4's on defense?

We've already got that though with Risacher playing the 3 and still have JJ as the 4 for rebounding. At best, you're asking us to give up a 4 that can rebound, facilitate, and score on his own for more shooting and less rebounding, but also isn't likely to be capable of facilitating from the frontcourt.

[wemby]

Too big of a deal that tries to fix things that aren't broken. Pass.

[nolaPELSfan]

The Pels seem to have a #1, but Zion can't stay on the floor, and money is tied up into what is their core. The situation isn't dire at all though.

If NO's is looking for a different fit around Zion, I don't think it requires a complete roster makeover. Barring health, NO's just needs to get off McCollum. DJM is a solid PG. Herb is an elite defender. Murphy gives you elite shooting. NO's should focus more on rounding the roster out, than swapping rosters with another team.

We have some really good players, but we're just a sum is less than the parts kind of setup. Like your #1 Trae has the ball in his hands at all times unless he doesn't want to. Optimal. We have to run around like crazy trying to get zion low, then back up high, then get him the ball if the guards even do that (D makes it tough to get back), then oscillate around him, then he 'll drive. CJ & DJM can distrubute but aren't the best at breaking down layer 1, and kinda just want to create themselves at the end of the day. I'm fine with Elf Payton but he can't shoot, but hes the best at actual pg duties. Jose is quicker and can shoot a little, and a good flow of game distributor, he just gets in were he fits in. I'd like to keep them and trade for or draft a pg, and would lose CJ or Murray both indiscriminately in that case. I'd also like to have 2 notable bigs who aren't Zion to play heavy minutes. Where Z plays i care less about.

[Geaux_Hawks]

The Pels seem to have a #1, but Zion can't stay on the floor, and money is tied up into what is their core. The situation isn't dire at all though.

If NO's is looking for a different fit around Zion, I don't think it requires a complete roster makeover. Barring health, NO's just needs to get off McCollum. DJM is a solid PG. Herb is an elite defender. Murphy gives you elite shooting. NO's should focus more on rounding the roster out, than swapping rosters with another team.

We have some really good players, but we're just a sum is less than the parts kind of setup. Like your #1 Trae has the ball in his hands at all times unless he doesn't want to. Optimal. We have to run around like crazy trying to get zion low, then back up high, then get him the ball if the guards even do that (D makes it tough to get back), then oscillate around him, then he 'll drive. CJ & DJM can distrubute but aren't the best at breaking down layer 1, and kinda just want to create themselves at the end of the day. I'm fine with Elf Payton but he can't shoot, but hes the best at actual pg duties. Jose is quicker and can shoot a little, and a good flow of game distributor, he just gets in were he fits in. I'd like to keep them and trade for or draft a pg, and would lose CJ or Murray both indiscriminately in that case. I'd also like to have 2 notable bigs who aren't Zion to play heavy minutes. Where Z plays i care less about.

Right, and I see why our pieces become appealing. Unfortunately, we just adopt the same issues, except in reverse. PG to distribute, but not much else in terms of finishing other than shooting well. Everything just revolves around Trae once again. lacking versatility. Still need bigs. Defense not good enough to compensate.