New Orleans / Sacramento

[hoopsfan777]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
CJ McCollum
Yves Missi
#7

Sacramento outgoing

Domantas Sabonis
DeMar DeRozan
#45

New Orleans cashes in for an elite talent to add to our core. DDR should flourish as a fourth or fifth option. #45 is a depth piece and we've drafted good in the second round lately.

Sacramento shuffles it up and looks to replace Sabonis with #7 and Missi along with Val. They wait a year for Murray to get back and let CJ be a team leader.

[balsamic_ducks]

Anytime you get a chance to spend assets to become the Kings you have to do it

[longfellow44]

We need to pull in a third team to take Mccollum. Kings already have enough guards I don't want to put someone else in front of them. This feels like a half way toward rebuilding move, where we do what Vivek wants and try to compete, but also do what we should do and rebuild.

I hate the idea of moving on from Sabonis, so I don't know if I would do this or not.

[nolaPELSfan]

#7, Herb, Dejounte
for
Sabonis, #42, '26 & '27 CHA 2nds (, & a future protected 1st?)
?

[bpcox05]

#7, Herb, Dejounte
for
Sabonis, #42, '26 & '27 CHA 2nds (, & a future protected 1st?)
?

I don’t think that’s enough for Sabonis personally but the general framework is interesting. I’d probably counter with…

CJ McCollum
Herb Jones
Yves Missi
#7

For

Domantas Sabonis


I think Sabonis is worth around 3-4 1sts and I have Herb as worth 2 1sts. Missi fills in the value gap a bit and removing Murray prevents NOP from needing to add more value to the trade.

But setting aside the details of the trade for a second, are NOP fans interested in Sabonis? Do you all like a Zion/Sabonis pairing? That’s not a ton of size, length, or defense on the frontline. I’d almost think you’d want to keep Herb Jones and send out Trey Murphy instead. At least at that point you have an elite defender who can help cover for Zion & Sabonis a bit; whereas, Murphy (although a solid defender) isn’t probably enough to make up the difference on the defensive side of the ball. So maybe the following trade makes more sense?

Trey Murphy
Kelly Olynyk
Yves Missi
#7

For

Domantas Sabonis

[nolaPELSfan]

#7, #23, Missi, Olynyk, McCollum
for
Sabonis, Devin Carter, #42
?

I mainly included Herb on that 1st one because of Dejounte's inclusion and i knew 7 & Olynyk wouldn't get it, but we don't need to include him. We have #23 now too, and CJ is fine to include and is probably worth a late 1st. But either CJ or Murray have to be in there.

edit: Or Herb instead of Olynyk but Pels keep #23?

[SNPA]

Counter: Sabonis for 7/Murphy/filler.

Sac has no need or motivation to trade Sabonis to be stuck with the Pels bad contracts.

[nolaPELSfan]

Murphy and 7 is too much for Sabonis imo. Dejounte is what got Herb. If you dont like that you get CJ and Olynyk.

Missi, CJ, Olynyk, #7 & #23
for
Sabonis

[bpcox05]

#7, #23, Missi, Olynyk, McCollum
for
Sabonis, Devin Carter, #42
?

I mainly included Herb on that 1st one because of Dejounte's inclusion and i knew 7 & Olynyk wouldn't get it, but we don't need to include him. We have #23 now too, and CJ is fine to include and is probably worth a late 1st. But either CJ or Murray have to be in there.

edit: Or Herb instead of Olynyk but Pels keep #23?

Well Devin Carter is worth a 1st as well. We just drafted him last year in the lottery and he would have gone even higher had it not been for his injury that kept him out the majority of last season. The value isn’t there as it’s 4-5 1sts (Sabonis & Carter) for 3 1sts (#7, #23, & Missi).

Swapping Herb for Olynyk/#23 makes it closer but the direction just doesn’t make much sense for the Kings. Moving Sabonis generates a “star gap” on our roster, and while I love Herb, he’s an elite role player. At least with Murphy, he has some offensive potential (albeit not nearly as good on defense) that could help fill that void if he continues to develop/progress.

In general, I see it as us trading a star talent (Sabonis) for two swings at a potential star (Murphy if he can take his game to another level and #7 if we hit on the pick). At least in that scenario, we have a couple chances of filling that “star gap.” Whereas, if it’s Herb and #7 we really only have one swing and that “swing” will likely need a few years to get there (which doesn’t really align well with Vivek’s “win now” mandate).

And again, I would think NOP would prefer Herb’s elite, DPOY contender level defense next to Zion & Sabonis vs. someone who is worse defensively but better offensively (Murphy).

[nolaPELSfan]

I would trade Murphy but I would want it to be closer to straight up, and it is hard (for me) to make the salary work. Who goes with Trey? And yall don't have a 1st to swap for a worse one, so it would suck losing 7, even then.

[nolaPELSfan]

Murphy, Olynyk, Hawkins & #23
for
Sabonis & #42
?

[LightTheBeam]

id do murphy, missi, olynyk for sabonis.

Pelicans could then flip #7 + CJ + a few other salaries for Lauri + 21, or put more assets on top to try and get jaylen brown?

Dejounte - Herb - Lauri/Brown - Zion - Sabonis

Kings start the tank. Move demar to Miami for 20. Move jval for best offer.
Carter, keon, murphy, Keegan, missi, 20

[LightTheBeam]

Murphy, Olynyk, Hawkins & #23
for
Sabonis & #42
?

Id do this. But I think most kings fans say no. I posted something similar right after you.

[bpcox05]

id do murphy, missi, olynyk for sabonis.

Pelicans could then flip #7 + CJ + a few other salaries for Lauri + 21, or put more assets on top to try and get jaylen brown?

Dejounte - Herb - Lauri/Brown - Zion - Sabonis

Kings start the tank. Move demar to Miami for 20. Move jval for best offer.
Carter, keon, murphy, Keegan, missi, 20

I find it highly unlikely Vivek would allow us to tank so I see this plan as unrealistic.

[SNPA]

To move off Sabonis…yeah it’s 7 & Murphy. I don’t see Vivek or Perry/Vlade entertaining less. And they have to love someone in that 7 range too.

[bpcox05]

I would trade Murphy but I would want it to be closer to straight up, and it is hard (for me) to make the salary work. Who goes with Trey? And yall don't have a 1st to swap for a worse one, so it would suck losing 7, even then.

I mean Sabonis is an all star/all nba talent today. Murphy may top out as a high end role player (e.g., a Cam Johnson type) or maybe he develops further and enters that all star/fringe all star territory. #7 could end up being a star, a starter, a bench player, or out of the league in a few years.

So NOP is getting the established all star/all nba talent while SAC getS two swings at getting an all star talent (but at the very least, gets a high end role player). It doesn’t really make much sense for SAC to just do a Sabonis for Murphy swap as SAC would be taking on the large majority of the risk in this scenario (Murphy topping out as a high end role player).

At least if it’s Murphy/#7 for Sabonis, it balances the risk on both sides. SAC still has the risk of not getting a star talent back (Murphy tops out as a high end role player and #7 turns out to just be a role player or a bust) and NOP has the risk of trading 2 star talents for 1 star talent (if Murphy develops into a star and if #7 turns out to be a star).

[Crymson]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
CJ McCollum
Yves Missi
#7

Sacramento outgoing

Domantas Sabonis
DeMar DeRozan
#45

New Orleans cashes in for an elite talent to add to our core. DDR should flourish as a fourth or fifth option. #45 is a depth piece and we've drafted good in the second round lately.

Sacramento shuffles it up and looks to replace Sabonis with #7 and Missi along with Val. They wait a year for Murray to get back and let CJ be a team leader.

Seems highly implausible. CJ is old and on the decline. Murray is recovering from arguably the worst common sports injury in existence, and there's no knowing how he'll look when he returns; EVERYONE loses some degree of performance from an Achilles tear. #7 isn't going to be super valuable. Missi isn't anything special.

If I were the Kings FO, I'd be looking for better in exchange for Sabonis even if I were intent on fully rebuilding, which does not necessarily appear to be the case.

[LightTheBeam]

id do murphy, missi, olynyk for sabonis.

Pelicans could then flip #7 + CJ + a few other salaries for Lauri + 21, or put more assets on top to try and get jaylen brown?

Dejounte - Herb - Lauri/Brown - Zion - Sabonis

Kings start the tank. Move demar to Miami for 20. Move jval for best offer.
Carter, keon, murphy, Keegan, missi, 20

I find it highly unlikely Vivek would allow us to tank so I see this plan as unrealistic.

Probably not, but the fact they are taking calls on Sabonis supposedly, and Demar. James Ham was talking about it, but if you trade Sabonis its very unlikely you are going to get the better player. We finished under .500. Mavs, SPurs, Blazers, will all be better this year. The play-ins seem pretty much out of reach, short of trading for Durant.

Why sacrifice more assets to finish 12th, and then trade Sabonis after he asks out and hurts his value.

My hope is Perry/Vlade are convincing Vivek that was he's been doing is insane, and that the only way to build a long term team in Sacramento is at least do a 2 year reset. Also Murphy took a significant jump last year, he isn't a slouch. You are getting back a 6'8 2 way forward that just averaged 21/5/4. If he has another jump in him, hes easily going to be an all-star caliber player.

This rebuild doesn't have to take forever. Hell if they get lucky and get the #1 pick next year, they can already jump back on competing and they will have a ton of cap space to take on guys in trades.

[Djh7475]

Hate the direction for New Orleans. Sabonis and Zion are not the ideal pairing being undersized and not being particularly good shooters. Roster would be way too frontcourt heavy after the trade with Murphy/Herb/DDR/Zion/Sabonis/Olynyk all deserving minutes.

[bpcox05]

id do murphy, missi, olynyk for sabonis.

Pelicans could then flip #7 + CJ + a few other salaries for Lauri + 21, or put more assets on top to try and get jaylen brown?

Dejounte - Herb - Lauri/Brown - Zion - Sabonis

Kings start the tank. Move demar to Miami for 20. Move jval for best offer.
Carter, keon, murphy, Keegan, missi, 20

I find it highly unlikely Vivek would allow us to tank so I see this plan as unrealistic.

Probably not, but the fact they are taking calls on Sabonis supposedly, and Demar. James Ham was talking about it, but if you trade Sabonis its very unlikely you are going to get the better player. We finished under .500. Mavs, SPurs, Blazers, will all be better this year. The play-ins seem pretty much out of reach, short of trading for Durant.

Why sacrifice more assets to finish 12th, and then trade Sabonis after he asks out and hurts his value.

My hope is Perry/Vlade are convincing Vivek that was he's been doing is insane, and that the only way to build a long term team in Sacramento is at least do a 2 year reset. Also Murphy took a significant jump last year, he isn't a slouch. You are getting back a 6'8 2 way forward that just averaged 21/5/4. If he has another jump in him, hes easily going to be an all-star caliber player.

This rebuild doesn't have to take forever. Hell if they get lucky and get the #1 pick next year, they can already jump back on competing and they will have a ton of cap space to take on guys in trades.

I didn’t say we’d get the best player but the risk/reward in your proposal is just not there for the Kings.

Murphy is not an all star/all nba talent today. Sabonis is. Could Murphy grow into that player one day? Maybe, but what else are we getting to help offset that risk? It’s got to be #7 in my mind. That at least gives the Kings two shots at finding a player that can supplant Sabonis’ star talent.