Build a Franchise (Season 8) Discussion Thread- Philadelphia is now on the clock until 4PM

[Capn'O]

Old Mecca would've taken I'm Coming Home's bait and trolling.

Age 31 Mecca letting him skate

I was just thinking, nothing like Mecca to get this thread popping.

[HerSports85]

Attached with draft capital, it shouldn't be that hard getting off those contracts now since they're all expiring.

[Context]

We should have a BAF All Star Break Owners Summit this year



In seriousness, this. We had a similar issue last year where rules got proposed and then tweaks to them would have gotten them passed but we were too late.

Honestly, like we all kinda agree that Mecca's idea has some merit to it, but because he was too vague and wasn't able to predict others reactions and issues with the idea now he and all of us have to wait an entire other season just to wait for the new idea to pass?

Kinda silly. The NBA does not operate that way with rule changes I'm sure.

Maybe it's to help out bishs workload But I think all of us here can handle proposing ideas and discussing them for a week and then going to Bish at the end with the idea fixed up and think tanked.

Also I forgot about the rule last year that a lot of us agreed with, Is it not being proposed this year after we all think tanked it??

The NBA doesn't operate this way bc they don't have to worry about dearth of committed owners..

dont get me started on nba comparrisons to baf

[mpharris36]

To be fair, y'all are kind proving his point. If he had to wait two years to even add picks to get off of contracts (but he wants to rebuild as a young team), it goes against what he wants to do. If any of these guys are tradable, surely people would be lining up to message him for them?

I may not agree with the method of waiting two years to play hard-ball/raising this issue up, but I see his position.

A counter point...Smart/Harris/Levert were productive players even 3 years ago. He could have moved them for equally bad contracts or worse get draft capital ect. He could have maintained a tank but got a worse less productive player on a similar deal but got a pick or picks attached to it.

Not saying you would do this but Seth Curry a far less impactful player for Levert but you attached a pick with Curry is a scenario that could have worked probably a year ago.

I'm sure when Marcus Smart was getting 90 DEF ratings in the SIM he could have been moved for a bad $200 contract on the ease. I know that because I was trying to work my cap to try to bring him in at one point I just never proposed anything because I didn't have the cap flex with nearly 2 players making $900 for the last few years. So I had to live more in the $30-$100 role player market.

You're wrong bc i didn't get a single offer and have had them on block for years.

LeVert and Harris have gotten bites

My guy I probably have gotten maybe on one hand trade offers in the last 5 or so years...I gotta go out and do the work and put together the packages. Give me a day and I will shoot you some offers you can send out

[Mecca]

Yeah, Tobias, who I haven't included in these posts because he's the closest thing I have to an asset.

I have
DLo
Jonas
Smart

As 70% of my cap for 3 years

Not going to disclose my trade offer, but go and look back. I gave you the chance to get off DLO contract as well. You would've had capspace this offseason along with a additional pick.

this is why I said I wanted to see his offers...
When he got that team initially - I could have moved all of those contracts- I remember thinking of all of the destinations but as you said HS- you have to be flexible and understand the "value" of your contracts and under when you have "leverage" and when you dont.

Remember you talking to someone that traded his way into Dame/Embiid in their primes and b2b Finals. My goal was always to get space for 2026 off season

[Mecca]

A counter point...Smart/Harris/Levert were productive players even 3 years ago. He could have moved them for equally bad contracts or worse get draft capital ect. He could have maintained a tank but got a worse less productive player on a similar deal but got a pick or picks attached to it.

Not saying you would do this but Seth Curry a far less impactful player for Levert but you attached a pick with Curry is a scenario that could have worked probably a year ago.

I'm sure when Marcus Smart was getting 90 DEF ratings in the SIM he could have been moved for a bad $200 contract on the ease. I know that because I was trying to work my cap to try to bring him in at one point I just never proposed anything because I didn't have the cap flex with nearly 2 players making $900 for the last few years. So I had to live more in the $30-$100 role player market.

You're wrong bc i didn't get a single offer and have had them on block for years.

LeVert and Harris have gotten bites

My guy I probably have gotten maybe on one hand trade offers in the last 5 or so years...I gotta go out and do the work and put together the packages. Give me a day and I will shoot you some offers you can send out

I sent out offers too

[HerSports85]

Yeah, Tobias, who I haven't included in these posts because he's the closest thing I have to an asset.

I have
DLo
Jonas
Smart

As 70% of my cap for 3 years

Not going to disclose my trade offer, but go and look back. I gave you the chance to get off DLO contract as well. You would've had capspace this offseason along with a additional pick.

this is why I said I wanted to see his offers...
When he got that team initially - I could have moved all of those contracts- I remember thinking of all of the destinations but as you said HS- you have to be flexible and understand the "value" of your contracts and under when you have "leverage" and when you dont.

Exactly! It wasn't easy moving Ben Simmons last season, I had to go through so many different channels and get creative.

[Mecca]

Y'all talking to me like I don't know BAF, do y'all not remember the lemonade I made 7 years ago lol

[Mecca]

Not going to disclose my trade offer, but go and look back. I gave you the chance to get off DLO contract as well. You would've had capspace this offseason along with a additional pick.

this is why I said I wanted to see his offers...
When he got that team initially - I could have moved all of those contracts- I remember thinking of all of the destinations but as you said HS- you have to be flexible and understand the "value" of your contracts and under when you have "leverage" and when you dont.

Exactly! It wasn't easy moving Ben Simmons last season, I had to go through so many different channels and get creative.

I never had capital or young players to trade

[SOUL]

This the most active BAF been in a while at least

[Mecca]

This the most active BAF been in a while at least

This the value of having me back

[Context]

Old Mecca would've taken I'm Coming Home's bait and trolling.

Age 31 Mecca letting him skate

we're having a discussion...you are a bat and baf VET. You have history. What you proposed makes your history relevant. I didnt see it as trolling.
You basically said you will essentially not play if you dont get your way. A gm has the right to share his thoughts...dont see the baiting and trolling you speak of.

[Mecca]

2026 I'm pushing the stretch provision rule

[Im Coming Home]

I mean, my perspective hasn't really changed

The rule as written would be good going forward, and just looking at things practically, the amount it benefits Mecca and MDB isn't really enough to outweigh in my opinion the benefits in the future

It would just be kind of petty of me to vote no imo.

It's not about petty it's about how much it affects the game and how vague the wording is.

Going forward? Great idea, it retroactively helping GMs who have been around but sitting on their hands for 2+ seasons? Bad idea

It also penalizes GMs who took over bad situations but were active and creative in making deals to get out of them while Mecca basically sat back and said I'm gonna post a rule that applies to make and is essentially a get out of jail free card for myself instead of getting to work and sending out trade proposals.

[Mecca]

Old Mecca would've taken I'm Coming Home's bait and trolling.

Age 31 Mecca letting him skate

we're having a discussion...you are a bat anf baf VET. You have history. What you proposed makes your history relevant. I didnt see it as trolling.
You basically said you will essentially not play if you dont get your way. A gm has the right to share his thoughts...

I will play, but not be active in community like i said

[Mecca]

I mean, my perspective hasn't really changed

The rule as written would be good going forward, and just looking at things practically, the amount it benefits Mecca and MDB isn't really enough to outweigh in my opinion the benefits in the future

It would just be kind of petty of me to vote no imo.

It's not about petty it's about how much it affects the game and how vague the wording is.

It also penalizes GMs who took over bad situations but were active and creative in making deals to get out of them while Mecca basically sat back and said I'm gonna post a rule that applies to make and is essentially a get out of jail free card for myself instead of getting to work and sending out trade proposals.

I worked hard no one was touching smart or jonas w a 15 foot pole

[NewEra]

^ Mecca, some of your other bad contracts outside of Tobias and LeVert could’ve been moved if you weren’t inactive. One of my offers to you sat in my outbox for weeks before I decided to delete and move on to another opportunity. You’ve posted in here more today than you have all season. I’m sorry man, but some of this comes from your own inactivity.

[mpharris36]

Attached with draft capital, it shouldn't be that hard getting off those contracts now since they're all expiring.

I would suggest trading them for worse contracts and get more useful pieces (draft picks or young players) for the future...just have to see which GM's are trying to switch up and trying to compete. It happens all the time a new couple GM's are tired of losing.

[Im Coming Home]

Y'all talking to me like I don't know BAF, do y'all not remember the lemonade I made 7 years ago lol

That's why we expected more from you instead of proposing a self serving rule that GREATLY benefits you and then when it's not well received you say you're going to go back to being inactive and take your ball and go home.

[Context]

Not going to disclose my trade offer, but go and look back. I gave you the chance to get off DLO contract as well. You would've had capspace this offseason along with a additional pick.

this is why I said I wanted to see his offers...
When he got that team initially - I could have moved all of those contracts- I remember thinking of all of the destinations but as you said HS- you have to be flexible and understand the "value" of your contracts and under when you have "leverage" and when you dont.

Exactly! It wasn't easy moving Ben Simmons last season, I had to go through so many different channels and get creative.

yeah - I remember saying to myself - that contract wont be easy for several reason. Ben being an all star doesnt represent the context of his value
when you moved him and even now. Then you moved him and you did it because you put the work in.