KD to Philly w/Utah and Brooklyn

[jredsaz]

Sixers receive Kevin Durant, #8
Out: Paul George, Eric Gordon, #3, 2028 LAC 1st
Top 8: Maxey, McCain, Walker Jr., KD, Embiid, Oubre, Edwards, Butler
Sixers split the baby. Edgecombe doesn’t fit their current roster and Bailey just cancelled his work out. Spurs aren’t budging on #2. Sixers move off PG for KD and try to win with Embiid now but retain a top 8 pick for later.

Suns receive Nic Claxton, Collin Sexton, Kyle Filipowski, #19, 2028 LAC 1st via PHI
Out: Kevin Durant
Top 8: Sexton, Beal, Booker, Dunn, Claxton, Allen, ONeale, Richards
Suns get everything they want in a KD trade. Sexton and Claxton are young vets who can help the Suns win now. Filipowski is a player new Suns GM Brian Gregory liked last year in the draft. The cherry on top is multiple picks to continue to build out youth and gain some flexibility.

Jazz receive Paul George, #3
Out: John Collins, Collins Sexton, Kyle Filipowski, #5
Top 8: George, #3, PG, Lauri, Kessler, Clarkson, Williams, Hendricks
Jazz move up to #3 for Edgecombe and (hopefully) get a young face of the franchise. They start to build a winning culture with their youth, Lauri and PG, something the front office has promised.

Nets receive John Collins, Eric Gordon, #5
Out: Nic Claxton, #8, #19 [/b]
Top 8: TBD
Nets want to move up (I think for Ace Bailey). This trade gets them there and potentially creates more cap space for 26/27. Collins can be flipped to a fifth team for bad money and assets, suggestions welcome.

[jredsaz]

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[stormi]

I would actually do the deal in OP, even though I'm unconvinced with the reliability of Embiid's health going forward.

With Durant's elite shooting being added to Edwards/Maxey/McCain/Grimes, it'd allow the Sixers to target a big gritty forward that brings high-levels of defending, cutting, connectivity and playfinishing at #8, looking at Murray-Boyles or Essengue.

[giberish]

Utah would have to really love someone at #3 to take back that much money just to go up from #5.

[jredsaz]

Utah would have to really love someone at #3 to take back that much money just to go up from #5.

I agree but I think Edgecombe is probably that guy in this draft. Might not have legit #1 upside but he has big upside and fits with Maxey very well.

[jredsaz]

I would actually do the deal in OP, even though I'm unconvinced with the reliability of Embiid's health going forward.

With Durant's elite shooting being added to Edwards/Maxey/McCain/Grimes, it'd allow the Sixers to target a big gritty forward that brings high-levels of defending, cutting, connectivity and playfinishing at #8, looking at Murray-Boyles or Essengue.

Or Carter-Bryant, Knueppel, or even Coward. There will be a guy available there who can upgrade the Sixers forward position.

[Daddy 801]

This is a bad deal for Utah. I’d do #21, Collins, and Sexton for PG and #3. Not interested in sending out the #5 pick. Taking on PG’s contract is not worth just moving up two spots.

[jredsaz]

This is a bad deal for Utah. I’d do #21, Collins, and Sexton for PG and #3. Not interested in sending out the #5 pick. Taking on PG’s contract is not worth just moving up two spots.

It depends on how you feel about the players available. In this draft I think the difference between Edgecombe and the the next guys is decent. PGs contract is rough but when healthy he will help the Jazz compete and like he’s done before, Angie might be able to buy low here and flip PG for a decent asset or two down the line. Honestly, I don’t see the value in standing pat and drafting at five.

Also, another sliding door from this trade, can Lauri and #3 get you #2+ from the Spurs? Haven’t been able to get up to Harper as of yet, maybe this can.

[Daddy 801]

This is a bad deal for Utah. I’d do #21, Collins, and Sexton for PG and #3. Not interested in sending out the #5 pick. Taking on PG’s contract is not worth just moving up two spots.

It depends on how you feel about the players available. In this draft I think the difference between Edgecombe and the the next guys is decent. PGs contract is rough but when healthy he will help the Jazz compete and like he’s done before, Angie might be able to buy low here and flip PG for a decent asset or two down the line. Honestly, I don’t see the value in standing pat and drafting at five.

Also, another sliding door from this trade, can Lauri and #3 get you #2+ from the Spurs? Haven’t been able to get up to Harper as of yet, maybe this can.

I’m fine taking whoever is left of Bailey, Edgecomb, Johnson, etc versus taking on PG’s huge contract. With this new CBA taking on that contract is extra punitive. I have no faith PG returns to form and is a good asset teams are looking to go after. So it would have to come with the #3 pick and we keep the #5 so Utah has a better chance at one of them panning out to be a cheap good piece while Utah has PG’s contract.

I’ve personally thought about the PG trade a ton and in no scenario if I was the GM would I trade the #5 if we are taking his contract. If that means no deal can be had, so be it. It’s just an easy pass for me.

If no deal can be had with Philly I would trade Collins and Sexton to the Bucks for their 31st pick so in 2-4 years when Utah is ready to compete they have extra assets to trade for a good player.

I’d rather have Collins and Sexton back on the team and just let them expire if all we got was moving up two spots in this draft.

[babyjax13]

This is obviously dependent on that assessment and since Utah is in these discussions they must have a target at 3. I think it is too good for Phoenix. Utah definitely should not need to add Filipowski and I do not think they are owed that 2028 1st, instead they should be getting a lower value asset on top of 19/Claxton/Sexton.

[babyjax13]

FWIW I think the easiest deal is to take Utah out.

[youngcrev]

I would actually do the deal in OP, even though I'm unconvinced with the reliability of Embiid's health going forward.

With Durant's elite shooting being added to Edwards/Maxey/McCain/Grimes, it'd allow the Sixers to target a big gritty forward that brings high-levels of defending, cutting, connectivity and playfinishing at #8, looking at Murray-Boyles or Essengue.

He left the LAC 1st out of the outgoing from PHI but has that going to the Suns.

[Skybox]

Utah would have to really love someone at #3 to take back that much money just to go up from #5.

I’d say same for BRK, they’re giving up a lot for a small move up in this draft, imo.

Is Paul George toast…what’s his deal? Injury? Is he now the worst deal in the NBA a year after being the #1 free agent?

[drchaos]

Philly is stealing all kinds of value from the other three teams.

Also, Claxton or # 19 should be enough to move up three spots.

If Claxton is going out, maybe the Nets are coughing up one of their other three picks but not # 19.

[Daddy 801]

Utah would have to really love someone at #3 to take back that much money just to go up from #5.

I’d say same for BRK, they’re giving up a lot for a small move up in this draft, imo.

Is Paul George toast…what’s his deal? Injury? Is he now the worst deal in the NBA a year after being the #1 free agent?

He’s got multiple injuries. His contract is huge. He didn’t look great last season even before injury. I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated and put on a pedestal larger than he should have been because his peers think he is a great 1 on 1 player or whatever. I don’t know, just never been all that impressed with his game. I personally consider his contract one of the worst in the league. And I’m not trading for him thinking he would ever become a player who is worth his contract. Which means I wouldn’t pay to move up from #5 to #3 in a draft with no general consensus on who #3 is to have a bad contract for 4 more years.

The fact is if he hadn’t fallen off Philly wouldn’t be looking to move him.

[Daddy 801]

I also don’t want to be paying 50 million for a contract with a guy at the ago of 35-39 for the duration of his contract.

What team is being lead by an old guy making 50 million that’s successful in the new CBA? The new CBA is so restrictive that younger deep teams are better off. Hence the only way I’d take PG on is if Utah could keep both #3 and #5 and have a lot of young players on rookie scale contracts and we can have PG sit out the whole year and rehab and hopefully get back in shape and a better spot so he can come back and be successful. But I doubt it. I think his good years are all behind him.

If Philly says no they say no. But it’s an easy pass for me. Maybe Utah does it. Who knows with a new GM, but if Ainge Jr’s first move is to take on PG for two spots Utah is screwed for the next 4-6 years. Would destroy or at minimum push Utah back 2-3 years.

[SkyHook]

Utah would have to really love someone at #3 to take back that much money just to go up from #5.

I’d say same for BRK, they’re giving up a lot for a small move up in this draft, imo.

Is Paul George toast…what’s his deal? Injury? Is he now the worst deal in the NBA a year after being the #1 free agent?

He’s got multiple injuries. His contract is huge. He didn’t look great last season even before injury. I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated and put on a pedestal larger than he should have been because his peers think he is a great 1 on 1 player or whatever. I don’t know, just never been all that impressed with his game. I personally consider his contract one of the worst in the league. And I’m not trading for him thinking he would ever become a player who is worth his contract. Which means I wouldn’t pay to move up from #5 to #3 in a draft with no general consensus on who #3 is to have a bad contract for 4 more years.

The fact is if he hadn’t fallen off Philly wouldn’t be looking to move him.

Who was the Clips player who called it "addition by subtraction" when PG left via free agency? Was that Powell?

[Daddy 801]

I’d say same for BRK, they’re giving up a lot for a small move up in this draft, imo.

Is Paul George toast…what’s his deal? Injury? Is he now the worst deal in the NBA a year after being the #1 free agent?

He’s got multiple injuries. His contract is huge. He didn’t look great last season even before injury. I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated and put on a pedestal larger than he should have been because his peers think he is a great 1 on 1 player or whatever. I don’t know, just never been all that impressed with his game. I personally consider his contract one of the worst in the league. And I’m not trading for him thinking he would ever become a player who is worth his contract. Which means I wouldn’t pay to move up from #5 to #3 in a draft with no general consensus on who #3 is to have a bad contract for 4 more years.

The fact is if he hadn’t fallen off Philly wouldn’t be looking to move him.

Who was the Clips player who called it "addition by subtraction" when PG left via free agency? Was that Powell?

Utah cooked PG and Westbrook when they were much better/younger players with a second year Donovan and Rudy. I just don’t think PG is a winning player. He’s an iso 1on1 ball stopper who doesn’t have the same defensive ability he use to due to age.

I wouldn’t want to sign him even if he was a free agent. Ainge senior apparently tried to get him and I was thankful we didn’t.

I just don’t see a deal that makes sense unless Utah is keeping the #5 pick or Philly is sending other first round draft picks. And I have no idea if Philly even has other picks they could send.

I think people are going to be surprised how much it takes to offload a bad contract in the new CBA. Bad money is way worse than it use to be. You basically have to have your main three guys be productive/healthy and make like 80-120 million tops. If one of a teams top three players is 35+ years old and making 50 million and injured….that team is going no wherr.

[SkyHook]

He’s got multiple injuries. His contract is huge. He didn’t look great last season even before injury. I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated and put on a pedestal larger than he should have been because his peers think he is a great 1 on 1 player or whatever. I don’t know, just never been all that impressed with his game. I personally consider his contract one of the worst in the league. And I’m not trading for him thinking he would ever become a player who is worth his contract. Which means I wouldn’t pay to move up from #5 to #3 in a draft with no general consensus on who #3 is to have a bad contract for 4 more years.

The fact is if he hadn’t fallen off Philly wouldn’t be looking to move him.

Who was the Clips player who called it "addition by subtraction" when PG left via free agency? Was that Powell?

Utah cooked PG and Westbrook when they were much better/younger players with a second year Donovan and Rudy. I just don’t think PG is a winning player. He’s an iso 1on1 ball stopper who doesn’t have the same defensive ability he use to due to age.

I wouldn’t want to sign him even if he was a free agent. Ainge senior apparently tried to get him and I was thankful we didn’t.

I just don’t see a deal that makes sense unless Utah is keeping the #5 pick or Philly is sending other first round draft picks. And I have no idea if Philly even has other picks they could send.

I think people are going to be surprised how much it takes to offload a bad contract in the new CBA. Bad money is way worse than it use to be. You basically have to have your main three guys be productive/healthy and make like 80-120 million tops. If one of a teams top three players is 35+ years old and making 50 million and injured….that team is going no wherr.

I'm not disagreeing. I had my rant about it yesterday in the random thread.

[jredsaz]

This is obviously dependent on that assessment and since Utah is in these discussions they must have a target at 3. I think it is too good for Phoenix. Utah definitely should not need to add Filipowski and I do not think they are owed that 2028 1st, instead they should be getting a lower value asset on top of 19/Claxton/Sexton.

I’d assume the target is Edgecombe at three. Isn’t it pretty obvious that Ainge has a player in mind he’d like to move up for?