Jazz/Celtics/Bulls/Pistons

[mlloyd10]

Jazz get: Ivey/P.Williams/Klintman/Z.Collins/Bulls 2027 1st
Pistons get: Markkanen
Celtics get: Harris
Bulls get: Porzingis

Why Jazz - Markkanen has a bad contract and for a team that wont be going anywhere for the next couple of seasons, they get a potential inpact player they can grow around in Ivey

Why Pistons - Their time is now and decide that Markkanen is a better fit next to Duren and Thompson

Why Celtics: - Get closer to the apron and Harris fills the Tatum role

Why Bulls: They will be building around Giddey - Get out of the Williams long term contract and have a nice expiring contract in Porzingis

[Texas Chuck]

I don't follow your logic.

Lauri is a bad contract, but Ivey on a new deal plus Williams is going to be just as expensive only worse at basketball.
Chicago gets to upgrade to KP and dump bad money for free?

I don't know that Boston or Detroit consider their parts, but I can follow the idea. For Utah this makes no sense unless they are irrationally high on Ivey and Chicago is just here stealing a bunch of value.

[mlloyd10]

I don't follow your logic.

Lauri is a bad contract, but Ivey on a new deal plus Williams is going to be just as expensive only worse at basketball.
Chicago gets to upgrade to KP and dump bad money for free?

I don't know that Boston or Detroit consider their parts, but I can follow the idea. For Utah this makes no sense unless they are irrationally high on Ivey and Chicago is just here stealing a bunch of value.

Your assuming that Mark has more upside that Ivey - Paying a guy $50 mil plus in two years to put up 22/7 is really bad.

I left out the pick the bulls are giving up - My bad

[psman2]

Why is Chicago here? Boston likely looking for more money savings with they are moving off KP.

[ChettheJet]

Not satisfied with Having Vucevic as a big limited center they add Porzingas so they have 2 big, old, 7 foot centers who think they need to take a lot of shots and score to audition for their their next contract. No the Bulls don't want to throw away this season and salivate over the few million dollars they saved in the next 2 years. And they give up a FRP to prove they're stupid

NO

[brackdan70]

From Boston pov, the savings is pretty minimal. I’d pass. I’d rather keep Porzingis and hope he is healthier than last year.

[hugepatsfan]

Hard for me to judge this as a standalone trade for BOS. I think given the option, BOS prefers Porzingis at $30.7M over Harris at $26.6M. I understand Porzingis is injury prone, but that's going to play into his next contract and I think BOS would like to keep him at a lower number if they could. While Harris helps with Tatum out, Horford and Kornet are also FAs and both expected to walk (unless Horford is happy with his 1 ring already and just wants stability to stay with BOS for as long as he wants to keep playing) so they need Center minutes too. That being said, if that $4.1M of savings made the difference between over/under the 2nd apron then they probably have to do it. Or maybe some other team they have a cost cutting move with prefers Harris over Porzingis so they need to do this to make that work. In those cases, this is fine for BOS.

Ultimately, I'd cut BOS out of this for now. CHI is giving up the pick to dump PWilliams for expiring. I doubt they care one way or another whether it's Harris or Porzingis here. I also doubt they'd give up a pick to turn PWilliams into an expiring, but that's a different issue. But it we assume CHI does the rest of this, maybe Harris/Porzingis swap can be worked out later depending on the rest of BOS's offseason.

[theBigLip]

From a Pistons pov, Ivey/Harris for Markinen. Pistons plug one hole and open up another. Harris has been great for the Pistons, but eventually need his replacement. I think SGs are easier to find so I’d probably do it.

That being said, there’s a logical argument for the Pistons to do the opposite. Extend Ivey for 4x20? And he continues where he left off last year (better 3p%, better D) before he got hurt and becomes Cades backcourt mate for the future. Keep Tobias as the ultimate vet teammate and get a young low cost PF and hope they blossom into a starter quality PF.

[SkyHook]

The Jazz don't consider this for even a nanosecond.