The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

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[BobbieL]

Shams:

"The Suns have a price threshold that they want met in a trade for Kevin Durant and I had one team tell me today it's a game of chicken right now..

The Rockets, Heat, and Timberwolves are literally one or two pieces away from getting a deal done"

In the video he says that it can be a three or four teams trade.

With all the info that we have heard already about the Nets being a facilitator I fully expect us to get Nic Claxton and the Nets would receive a FRP + player.

I am torn about wanting Nic Claxton OR Andrew Wiggins on our roster. I probably undervalue Wiggins and he is a good two-way player. IDK.

So Vassell to the Nets for Claxton perhaps - if the team is the Spurs

Claxton has a declining contract - so that helps the cap in future years.

[RaisingArizona]

It'll be Houston. That's my guess

[Saberestar]

Shams:

"The Suns have a price threshold that they want met in a trade for Kevin Durant and I had one team tell me today it's a game of chicken right now..

The Rockets, Heat, and Timberwolves are literally one or two pieces away from getting a deal done"

In the video he says that it can be a three or four teams trade.

With all the info that we have heard already about the Nets being a facilitator I fully expect us to get Nic Claxton and the Nets would receive a FRP + player.

I am torn about wanting Nic Claxton OR Andrew Wiggins on our roster. I probably undervalue Wiggins and he is a good two-way player. IDK.

So Vassell to the Nets for Claxton perhaps - if the team is the Spurs

Claxton has a declining contract - so that helps the cap in future years.

Vassell makes sense but the Spurs aren't trading for KD because they aren't offering anything good to the Suns.

In the last 3-4 days it's all Heat, Rockets and Wolves. Probably just Heat and Rockets because KD wants to play for them.

[Slim Charless]

Shams:

In the video he says that it can be a three or four teams trade.

With all the info that we have heard already about the Nets being a facilitator I fully expect us to get Nic Claxton and the Nets would receive a FRP + player.

I am torn about wanting Nic Claxton OR Andrew Wiggins on our roster. I probably undervalue Wiggins and he is a good two-way player. IDK.

So Vassell to the Nets for Claxton perhaps - if the team is the Spurs

Claxton has a declining contract - so that helps the cap in future years.

Vassell makes sense but the Spurs aren't trading for KD because they aren't offering anything good to the Suns.

In the last 3-4 days it's all Heat, Rockets and Wolves. Probably just Heat and Rockets because KD wants to play for them.

Yup. Think this is whether Nets will do Claxton for Green. Which they should...but this whole Ace Bailey thing has me wondering if he was promised to the Nets. They might be trying to hedge themselves into getting him and that's holding off trading Claxton for Green....

[Sunsdeuce]

KD will be traded to Houston, Miami, Minny, or Raptors with a low possibility to the Spurs. There is a dark horse team who has called and inquired. These things are fluid. But the deal seems closer than yesterday.

[KdoubleDees23]

KD will be traded to Houston, Miami, Minny, or Raptors with a low possibility to the Spurs. There is a dark horse team who has called and inquired. These things are fluid. But the deal seems closer than yesterday.

Lets name 8 teams and we have a 25% chance of being right lol

[BobbieL]

Shams:

In the video he says that it can be a three or four teams trade.

With all the info that we have heard already about the Nets being a facilitator I fully expect us to get Nic Claxton and the Nets would receive a FRP + player.

I am torn about wanting Nic Claxton OR Andrew Wiggins on our roster. I probably undervalue Wiggins and he is a good two-way player. IDK.

So Vassell to the Nets for Claxton perhaps - if the team is the Spurs

Claxton has a declining contract - so that helps the cap in future years.

Vassell makes sense but the Spurs aren't trading for KD because they aren't offering anything good to the Suns.

In the last 3-4 days it's all Heat, Rockets and Wolves. Probably just Heat and Rockets because KD wants to play for them.

My guess, no team is truly out of it. If the Spurs circle back, the Suns would listen.

[AtheJ415]

The Suns absolutely have to get pick 2 from SAS if we are making this deal. Gives us some life. Could build around Harper / Book backcourt. If it's Houston, I'm fine with Jabari and Green. Would give us some youth. I think part of what killed us is getting so old.

[AtheJ415]

I'm also highly concerned why we want to fix the center position so badly. It's the least valuable position in the game. We traded all that for Richards too. If our primary return for a superstar is a starting caliber C, which is easy to find, I will lose it

[AtheJ415]

Rockets, Heat and Twolves - per Shams


I think it will be the Rockets -- Udoka is signed long term. They are ready to make a push. Anyway to add O'Neale and Allen

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I say Heat.

Riley is old and wants 1 more shot. Plus, for them its just Ware. Add him and the deal is done.

With the Rockets, if its true that we have no interest in Jalen Green then its harder as HOU has to find a home for him and that's more trouble. Plus, they could be like SAS and hoping they can get Giannis in the next year.

Miami OTOH has a wide open east and KD/Herro/Bam and whatever unknown diamond they manage to unlock this year due to Spo is maybe enough.

I say Miami for Rozier/Duncan/Ware/#20/future FRP.

I don't think Ware is all that and don't see any value whatsoever in middling role players like Rozier or Duncan. Jabari Smith alone is better than that. I think it ends up either Houston for more young pieces (that's the route I would go, and I'd take Green tbh as well unless another team will give us more to route him), or MN to win now with Gobert which I think just cements us in purgatory

[starbosa10]

Rockets, Heat and Twolves - per Shams


I think it will be the Rockets -- Udoka is signed long term. They are ready to make a push. Anyway to add O'Neale and Allen

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I say Heat.

Riley is old and wants 1 more shot. Plus, for them its just Ware. Add him and the deal is done.

With the Rockets, if its true that we have no interest in Jalen Green then its harder as HOU has to find a home for him and that's more trouble. Plus, they could be like SAS and hoping they can get Giannis in the next year.

Miami OTOH has a wide open east and KD/Herro/Bam and whatever unknown diamond they manage to unlock this year due to Spo is maybe enough.

I say Miami for Rozier/Duncan/Ware/#20/future FRP.

I don't think Ware is all that and don't see any value whatsoever in middling role players like Rozier or Duncan. Jabari Smith alone is better than that. I think it ends up either Houston for more young pieces (that's the route I would go, and I'd take Green tbh as well unless another team will give us more to route him), or MN to win now with Gobert which I think just cements us in purgatory

Rosier and Duncan are just expirings to make the salary match work. Jabari has more long term upside than Gobert for sure but the issue with the rockets offer (if Jabari is even being offered yet) is that we are likely getting saddled with green who is a terrible fit with Book and doesn't seem to have a lot of interest around the league on the type of money he's on.

[Slim Charless]

I say Heat.

Riley is old and wants 1 more shot. Plus, for them its just Ware. Add him and the deal is done.

With the Rockets, if its true that we have no interest in Jalen Green then its harder as HOU has to find a home for him and that's more trouble. Plus, they could be like SAS and hoping they can get Giannis in the next year.

Miami OTOH has a wide open east and KD/Herro/Bam and whatever unknown diamond they manage to unlock this year due to Spo is maybe enough.

I say Miami for Rozier/Duncan/Ware/#20/future FRP.

I don't think Ware is all that and don't see any value whatsoever in middling role players like Rozier or Duncan. Jabari Smith alone is better than that. I think it ends up either Houston for more young pieces (that's the route I would go, and I'd take Green tbh as well unless another team will give us more to route him), or MN to win now with Gobert which I think just cements us in purgatory

Rosier and Duncan are just expirings to make the salary match work. Jabari has more long term upside than Gobert for sure but the issue with the rockets offer (if Jabari is even being offered yet) is that we are likely getting saddled with green who is a terrible fit with Book and doesn't seem to have a lot of interest around the league on the type of money he's on.

Jabari has to be paid as soon as next year (Suns would be wise to do it as soon as they get him to hedge against him blowing up here and costing us way more) but Ware is still on that rookie deal for another 3 years. Thats a big difference in money.

[BobbieL]

I'm also highly concerned why we want to fix the center position so badly. It's the least valuable position in the game. We traded all that for Richards too. If our primary return for a superstar is a starting caliber C, which is easy to find, I will lose it

Needing "Center" is partially why Ayton was the pick over Doncic
I think its about finding the best players. But you are right, there is so much "smoke" about the Suns wanting a Center. How about getting a better PG and a PF.

Just don't take a lesser package to "fill a need" -- thats stupid

[bwgood77]

Ishbia is probably disappointed he can get a team to bid against itself, when he did when acquiring KD.

[bwgood77]

I wonder since Book kind of sees himself as Kobe if he kind of sees this season as the 2004-2005 Lakers when they missed the playoffs, before they had that epic series against the Suns in 2006 where Kobe carried the team along with Odom. Then they got gifted Pau for his brother (who at the time was a second round pick I think) and I'm not sure what else. Maybe we can be as fortunate as they were.

[BobbieL]

I say Heat.

Riley is old and wants 1 more shot. Plus, for them its just Ware. Add him and the deal is done.

With the Rockets, if its true that we have no interest in Jalen Green then its harder as HOU has to find a home for him and that's more trouble. Plus, they could be like SAS and hoping they can get Giannis in the next year.

Miami OTOH has a wide open east and KD/Herro/Bam and whatever unknown diamond they manage to unlock this year due to Spo is maybe enough.

I say Miami for Rozier/Duncan/Ware/#20/future FRP.

I don't think Ware is all that and don't see any value whatsoever in middling role players like Rozier or Duncan. Jabari Smith alone is better than that. I think it ends up either Houston for more young pieces (that's the route I would go, and I'd take Green tbh as well unless another team will give us more to route him), or MN to win now with Gobert which I think just cements us in purgatory

Rosier and Duncan are just expirings to make the salary match work. Jabari has more long term upside than Gobert for sure but the issue with the rockets offer (if Jabari is even being offered yet) is that we are likely getting saddled with green who is a terrible fit with Book and doesn't seem to have a lot of interest around the league on the type of money he's on.

If Jabari is the right player - and the picks are good -- take on Green if need be. Might be able to trade him later. I get he is a terrible fit with Booker but if the rest of the trade is good -- could be worth it

[Slim Charless]

I wonder since Book kind of sees himself as Kobe if he kind of sees this season as the 2004-2005 Lakers when they missed the playoffs, before they had that epic series against the Suns in 2006 where Kobe carried the team along with Odom. Then they got gifted Pau for his brother (who at the time was a second round pick I think) and I'm not sure what else. Maybe we can be as fortunate as they were.

We won't be as lucky. Booker will be asking out once he gets that super-duper max he's in line for. Probably by this time next year.

I'd love to get our 2027 pick back from Houston for just that reason. Give me Jabari and if we can switch Claxton for Green, I'm good.

Have a Claxton/Jabari/Dunn front court and take it from there. Elite defense potential there.

[BobbieL]

I wonder since Book kind of sees himself as Kobe if he kind of sees this season as the 2004-2005 Lakers when they missed the playoffs, before they had that epic series against the Suns in 2006 where Kobe carried the team along with Odom. Then they got gifted Pau for his brother (who at the time was a second round pick I think) and I'm not sure what else. Maybe we can be as fortunate as they were.

We won't be as lucky. Booker will be asking out once he gets that super-duper max he's in line for. Probably by this time next year.

I'd love to get our 2027 pick back from Houston for just that reason. Give me Jabari and if we can switch Claxton for Green, I'm good.

Have a Claxton/Jabari/Dunn front court and take it from there. Elite defense potential there.

Correct - once Booker gets paid either he truly just cares about scoring 28ppg and being the Suns all time leading scorer - well extending the mark or he will ask for a trade. Personally, I don't get why Ishbia feels the need to extend 3 years out - see what you can do before extending. Hell, my guess is Booker would ask for a trade if there was no extension.

Jabari, 2027 2025 and like you said Claxton for Green would be pretty good

[WeekapaugGroove]

Luck and the Phoenix Suns.... That's a depressing topic since it's almost exclusively been bad luck starting with the initial coin flip with Milwaukee for the 1st pick.


I'm a very optimistic person in life so I'll take that approach with the Suns but in the back of my mind there's always a little 'whatever they do it will blow up in their face' logic that creeps in with this franchise.