The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[starbosa10]

I really doubt Houston is going to offer our 2027 and Jabari back for KD. Deal would be done by now if that was on the table

[Ghost of Kleine]

I wonder since Book kind of sees himself as Kobe if he kind of sees this season as the 2004-2005 Lakers when they missed the playoffs, before they had that epic series against the Suns in 2006 where Kobe carried the team along with Odom. Then they got gifted Pau for his brother (who at the time was a second round pick I think) and I'm not sure what else. Maybe we can be as fortunate as they were.

Maxime Raynaud is honestly that Gasol if the proper trade is made with KD getting back any of the 9th, 10th, or even the 17th pick and fillers. I wouldn't care or have concerns so much about Vucevic because you follow that up with a deal for an Issac (Orlando) or a John Collins to play next to him and have Collins or Isaac just focus on being a defensive compliment next to him at the 4.

There are avenues to actually dramatically alter our roster and improve by a large margin IF our front office can properly navigate these choices. AND have the actual cahones to trade him where he might not want to go!!!

[Sunsdeuce]

No one knows what’s going on and that’s clear by Vegas odds

Sportsbooks Have No Idea Where Kevin Durant is Going to Land Anymore
https://www.rawchili.com/nba/110138/

Kevin Durant Next TeamOddsHoustonRockets+250Minnesota
Timberwolves+350Miami Heat+350Toronto Raptors+400San Antonio Spurs+400Phoenix Suns+1200Memphis Grizzlies+2000DraftKings (Thu, June 19 – 11:24 a.m. CDT)

[bwgood77]

One positive I see it Ott. I know people hate the hire, but when Brooklyn traded all those young players and picks for KG, Gerald Wallace (Lillard), and Ray Allen, and then those guys got ousted in the 2nd round the first year and then the first round the following year where they won only 38 games, even with Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, KG, Thaddeus Young and Bojan, they then won 21 games the following year after KG was gone (but they still had all the other ones names except Deron Williams who was replaced with Jarrett Jack)..

So they still had aging talent...what is crazy is that was like 10 years ago and Brook Lopez is STILL playing..he was a 7 year vet...Bojan had only been in the league 1 year.

So they fired Lionel Hollins and brought in Atkinson (along with Ott)..

Now somehow they got some decent players....Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, RHJ, and LeVert, and they played pretty hard but only won 28 games, being a very young inexperienced team that hadn't played together.

Then the following year they made some moves, trading Brook Lopez for D'Angelo Russell (Lakers had drafted Ball), signed Allen Crabbe, traded for Demarre Carroll and drafted Jarrett Allen with the 22nd pick (who KD made sure they got rid of when he came on to make room for DeAndre Jordan).

But the next year, in Atkinson's 2nd year, as he got this young group playing together....mid to late picks and journeymen, they went 42-40, playing well above their talent...the sum being much greater than the parts.

I was VERY impressed with Atkinson.

Then of course they signed an injured KD, Kyrie and Jordan, and fired Kenny at the request of their new stars and ended up winning fewer games. KG was out but they had added Kyrie and Jordan on top of the other players.

Now Ott stuck around under Vaughn and Nash but then left to coach under Atkinson again in Cleveland.

I think one thing he knows is that you want players playing like a team, playing hard...and he could do well with players trying to prove themselves (possibly late first round picks, journymen, etc).

My bet is that he is NOT a KD fan. He's been down that road. He watched a young competitive scrappy Brooklyn team turn into a team with a couple of self entitled stars.

Then in Cleveland, they get those young hungry unproven players (except Mitchell) and he sees the success again.

I think he is a good coach for a rebuild. With Book and signing vets? Well, I don't think anyone can do much more than MAYBE fight for like 9th or 10th place.

The question is, will Book listen to him?

But if we do end up rebuilding within a year or two, I think he probably is a good pick. He may have ties to MIchigan St, but that certainly doesn't make him unqualified. I really think Kenny Atkinson is one of the best coaches in the NBA about getting more out of less (not that Cleveland didn't have a ton of talent, but to be 28-5 of whatever they were?).

The previous year they had the same talent under JB Bickerstaff, and won 48 games, which was good for the 4 seed, but still only 2 games ahead of hte 8 seed (3 teams were tied at 47 for 5-7) and then won 64 games when Atkinson came on with Ott.

One interesting thing, that may have been mentioned, was that Ott began his NBA coaching career as a video coordinator under Budenholzer in Atlanta, back in the years including when they won 60 games...but then got hired under Atkinson when he was hired at Brooklyn.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So KD killed a trade that would have brought us Claxton, other pieces and picks! I honestly don't care what he wants. After all, he cost us the majority of our players and assets, then made it worse by promoting trading for Beal. And now he's willing to screw our entire future just to try and get what he wants at a minimum cost after we gave up so much to accommodate things for him??

MN fan here. Mr. Cupcake wants a fat extension. Pay a 37/38/39yo guy $170M+? Hell-to-the-no on doing that. As a Wolves fan I say no no to trading for Mr Ho Ho. Honestly, I think Uncle Ding Dong is something of a team cancer outside of his stint w GSW where he had Curry & Dre Green to keep his Twinkie ass in line.

Sure! I'm not a KD fan and your concerns around his age are valid too. But didn't he just play 62 games this last season and around 70+ something the season before while scoring 26/6/5 on 52%/ 43%/ 83%.

So All NBA production on still elite efficiency that's only slightly incrementally different from his career averages by 1 less point and 1 less point?? Sure his free throw shooting hasn't been as elite, but that could be easily attributed to playing such heavy minutes over the entire season too.

A factor obviously not in play at Minnesota with a much better roster. So yeah, pass on trading for KD is fine and fully your discretion. But let's not act like KD is azz or straight garbage now.

Personally, I'm fine with your package being reported. But I'm not the Suns front office either. Overall, I think most of us just want a reasonable ( non lowball) deal to get done so we can move on from this failure!!

[Sunsdeuce]

One positive I see it Ott. I know people hate the hire, but when Brooklyn traded all those young players and picks for KG, Gerald Wallace (Lillard), and Ray Allen, and then those guys got ousted in the 2nd round the first year and then the first round the following year where they won only 38 games, even with Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, KG, Thaddeus Young and Bojan, they then won 21 games the following year after KG was gone (but they still had all the other ones names except Deron Williams who was replaced with Jarrett Jack)..

So they still had aging talent...what is crazy is that was like 10 years ago and Brook Lopez is STILL playing..he was a 7 year vet...Bojan had only been in the league 1 year.

So they fired Lionel Hollins and brought in Atkinson (along with Ott)..

Now somehow they got some decent players....Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, RHJ, and LeVert, and they played pretty hard but only won 28 games, being a very young inexperienced team that hadn't played together.

Then the following year they made some moves, trading Brook Lopez for D'Angelo Russell (Lakers had drafted Ball), signed Allen Crabbe, traded for Demarre Carroll and drafted Jarrett Allen with the 22nd pick (who KD made sure they got rid of when he came on to make room for DeAndre Jordan).

But the next year, in Atkinson's 2nd year, as he got this young group playing together....mid to late picks and journeymen, they went 42-40, playing well above their talent...the sum being much greater than the parts.

I was VERY impressed with Atkinson.

Then of course they signed an injured KD, Kyrie and Jordan, and fired Kenny at the request of their new stars and ended up winning fewer games. KG was out but they had added Kyrie and Jordan on top of the other players.

Now Ott stuck around under Vaughn and Nash but then left to coach under Atkinson again in Cleveland.

I think one thing he knows is that you want players playing like a team, playing hard...and he could do well with players trying to prove themselves (possibly late first round picks, journymen, etc).

My bet is that he is NOT a KD fan. He's been down that road. He watched a young competitive scrappy Brooklyn team turn into a team with a couple of self entitled stars.

Then in Cleveland, they get those young hungry unproven players (except Mitchell) and he sees the success again.

I think he is a good coach for a rebuild. With Book and signing vets? Well, I don't think anyone can do much more than MAYBE fight for like 9th or 10th place.

The question is, will Book listen to him?

But if we do end up rebuilding within a year or two, I think he probably is a good pick. He may have ties to MIchigan St, but that certainly doesn't make him unqualified. I really think Kenny Atkinson is one of the best coaches in the NBA about getting more out of less (not that Cleveland didn't have a ton of talent, but to be 28-5 of whatever they were?).

The previous year they had the same talent under JB Bickerstaff, and won 48 games, which was good for the 4 seed, but still only 2 games ahead of hte 8 seed (3 teams were tied at 47 for 5-7) and then won 64 games when Atkinson came on with Ott.

The whole hire seems MAGAish (shady/dirty as all hell) BUT gonna make a final judgement at the end of year.

Personally I think Vogel and Bud got done dirty. They got blamed and thrown under the bus from Ishbia and James Jones clear and obvious mistakes as well as KDs I don’t care, I got mine attitude (that rubbed off on Booker). So yeah I have little faith in the hire. BUT we have to judge it at the end of the year.

[bwgood77]

No one knows what’s going on and that’s clear by Vegas odds

Sportsbooks Have No Idea Where Kevin Durant is Going to Land Anymore
https://www.rawchili.com/nba/110138/

Kevin Durant Next TeamOddsHoustonRockets+250Minnesota
Timberwolves+350Miami Heat+350Toronto Raptors+400San Antonio Spurs+400Phoenix Suns+1200Memphis Grizzlies+2000DraftKings (Thu, June 19 – 11:24 a.m. CDT)

Sportsbooks are reflective of the public because odds move as money gets bet. The more money that comes in the worse the odds they will pay out on that team. (Lower payout which means they are the most likely team according to the public).

[BobbieL]

One positive I see it Ott. I know people hate the hire, but when Brooklyn traded all those young players and picks for KG, Gerald Wallace (Lillard), and Ray Allen, and then those guys got ousted in the 2nd round the first year and then the first round the following year where they won only 38 games, even with Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, KG, Thaddeus Young and Bojan, they then won 21 games the following year after KG was gone (but they still had all the other ones names except Deron Williams who was replaced with Jarrett Jack)..

So they still had aging talent...what is crazy is that was like 10 years ago and Brook Lopez is STILL playing..he was a 7 year vet...Bojan had only been in the league 1 year.

So they fired Lionel Hollins and brought in Atkinson (along with Ott)..

Now somehow they got some decent players....Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, RHJ, and LeVert, and they played pretty hard but only won 28 games, being a very young inexperienced team that hadn't played together.

Then the following year they made some moves, trading Brook Lopez for D'Angelo Russell (Lakers had drafted Ball), signed Allen Crabbe, traded for Demarre Carroll and drafted Jarrett Allen with the 22nd pick (who KD made sure they got rid of when he came on to make room for DeAndre Jordan).

But the next year, in Atkinson's 2nd year, as he got this young group playing together....mid to late picks and journeymen, they went 42-40, playing well above their talent...the sum being much greater than the parts.

I was VERY impressed with Atkinson.

Then of course they signed an injured KD, Kyrie and Jordan, and fired Kenny at the request of their new stars and ended up winning fewer games. KG was out but they had added Kyrie and Jordan on top of the other players.

Now Ott stuck around under Vaughn and Nash but then left to coach under Atkinson again in Cleveland.

I think one thing he knows is that you want players playing like a team, playing hard...and he could do well with players trying to prove themselves (possibly late first round picks, journymen, etc).

My bet is that he is NOT a KD fan. He's been down that road. He watched a young competitive scrappy Brooklyn team turn into a team with a couple of self entitled stars.

Then in Cleveland, they get those young hungry unproven players (except Mitchell) and he sees the success again.

I think he is a good coach for a rebuild. With Book and signing vets? Well, I don't think anyone can do much more than MAYBE fight for like 9th or 10th place.

The question is, will Book listen to him?

But if we do end up rebuilding within a year or two, I think he probably is a good pick. He may have ties to MIchigan St, but that certainly doesn't make him unqualified. I really think Kenny Atkinson is one of the best coaches in the NBA about getting more out of less (not that Cleveland didn't have a ton of talent, but to be 28-5 of whatever they were?).

The previous year they had the same talent under JB Bickerstaff, and won 48 games, which was good for the 4 seed, but still only 2 games ahead of hte 8 seed (3 teams were tied at 47 for 5-7) and then won 64 games when Atkinson came on with Ott.

The whole hire seems MAGAish (shady/dirty as all hell) BUT gonna make a final judgement at the end of year.

Personally I think Vogel and Bud got done dirty. They got blamed and thrown under the bus from Ishbia and James Jones clear and obvious mistakes as well as KDs I don’t care, I got mine attitude (that rubbed off on Booker). So yeah I have little faith in the hire. BUT we have to judge it at the end of the year.

I agree that I think Durant influenced Booker that the number 1 thing is getting paid.

I think Ott has the resume it was just too easy with the ties to Michigan State. But I liked that he worked for Atkinson and I think with a younger hungrier team - will be better to watch.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

One positive I see it Ott. I know people hate the hire, but when Brooklyn traded all those young players and picks for KG, Gerald Wallace (Lillard), and Ray Allen, and then those guys got ousted in the 2nd round the first year and then the first round the following year where they won only 38 games, even with Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, KG, Thaddeus Young and Bojan, they then won 21 games the following year after KG was gone (but they still had all the other ones names except Deron Williams who was replaced with Jarrett Jack)..

So they still had aging talent...what is crazy is that was like 10 years ago and Brook Lopez is STILL playing..he was a 7 year vet...Bojan had only been in the league 1 year.

So they fired Lionel Hollins and brought in Atkinson (along with Ott)..

Now somehow they got some decent players....Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, RHJ, and LeVert, and they played pretty hard but only won 28 games, being a very young inexperienced team that hadn't played together.

Then the following year they made some moves, trading Brook Lopez for D'Angelo Russell (Lakers had drafted Ball), signed Allen Crabbe, traded for Demarre Carroll and drafted Jarrett Allen with the 22nd pick (who KD made sure they got rid of when he came on to make room for DeAndre Jordan).

But the next year, in Atkinson's 2nd year, as he got this young group playing together....mid to late picks and journeymen, they went 42-40, playing well above their talent...the sum being much greater than the parts.

I was VERY impressed with Atkinson.

Then of course they signed an injured KD, Kyrie and Jordan, and fired Kenny at the request of their new stars and ended up winning fewer games. KG was out but they had added Kyrie and Jordan on top of the other players.

Now Ott stuck around under Vaughn and Nash but then left to coach under Atkinson again in Cleveland.

I think one thing he knows is that you want players playing like a team, playing hard...and he could do well with players trying to prove themselves (possibly late first round picks, journymen, etc).

My bet is that he is NOT a KD fan. He's been down that road. He watched a young competitive scrappy Brooklyn team turn into a team with a couple of self entitled stars.

Then in Cleveland, they get those young hungry unproven players (except Mitchell) and he sees the success again.

I think he is a good coach for a rebuild. With Book and signing vets? Well, I don't think anyone can do much more than MAYBE fight for like 9th or 10th place.

The question is, will Book listen to him?

But if we do end up rebuilding within a year or two, I think he probably is a good pick. He may have ties to MIchigan St, but that certainly doesn't make him unqualified. I really think Kenny Atkinson is one of the best coaches in the NBA about getting more out of less (not that Cleveland didn't have a ton of talent, but to be 28-5 of whatever they were?).

The previous year they had the same talent under JB Bickerstaff, and won 48 games, which was good for the 4 seed, but still only 2 games ahead of hte 8 seed (3 teams were tied at 47 for 5-7) and then won 64 games when Atkinson came on with Ott.

The whole hire seems MAGAish (shady/dirty as all hell) BUT gonna make a final judgement at the end of year.

Personally I think Vogel and Bud got done dirty. They got blamed and thrown under the bus from Ishbia and James Jones clear and obvious mistakes as well as KDs I don’t care, I got mine attitude (that rubbed off on Booker). So yeah I have little faith in the hire. BUT we have to judge it at the end of the year.

Did Ishbia know him from before? He got his bachelors at Penn St and just his masters at Michigan St.

I agree the previous guys got done dirty. They were championship level coaches. They didn't forget how to coach. Bud outcoached Monty in the finals clear as day..once they made the adjustments to go big we couldn't counter.

But regardless, I like Ott as a rebuidling type coach. I do not think he will do better than those guys did. I think he will have worse talent for starters. We are not going to have a better roster by trading KD. But even with championship coaches, KD and Book with an older unathletic, non defensive, bad big man cast around them can only do so much.

Getting rid of KD for something won't fix it.

We need to get as much young talent as possible by next season and hopefully our 27 pick back.

I hope WE DO NOT trade KD to Houston because I hope they still will want that scoring vet at the deadline or in a year and we can trade Book for our 27, 29, Eason or Smith, another prospect, and a couple more Houston picks.

Then we can rebuild and have our 27 pick and some youth to work with.

[WeekapaugGroove]

No one knows what’s going on and that’s clear by Vegas odds

Sportsbooks Have No Idea Where Kevin Durant is Going to Land Anymore
https://www.rawchili.com/nba/110138/

Kevin Durant Next TeamOddsHoustonRockets+250Minnesota
Timberwolves+350Miami Heat+350Toronto Raptors+400San Antonio Spurs+400Phoenix Suns+1200Memphis Grizzlies+2000DraftKings (Thu, June 19 – 11:24 a.m. CDT)

Sportsbooks are reflective of the public because odds move as money gets bet. The more money that comes in the worse the odds they will pay out on that team. (Lower payout which means they are the most likely team according to the public).

I also suspect with these trade prop bets that they move lines simply to drive volume. Fans of the teams who's lines move up get excited and are more likely to bet.

[Saberestar]

Darren Wolfson saying that the Wolves are in the mix for KD.

Read on Twitter

[Sunsdeuce]

Spoiler:

One positive I see it Ott. I know people hate the hire, but when Brooklyn traded all those young players and picks for KG, Gerald Wallace (Lillard), and Ray Allen, and then those guys got ousted in the 2nd round the first year and then the first round the following year where they won only 38 games, even with Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, KG, Thaddeus Young and Bojan, they then won 21 games the following year after KG was gone (but they still had all the other ones names except Deron Williams who was replaced with Jarrett Jack)..

So they still had aging talent...what is crazy is that was like 10 years ago and Brook Lopez is STILL playing..he was a 7 year vet...Bojan had only been in the league 1 year.

So they fired Lionel Hollins and brought in Atkinson (along with Ott)..

Now somehow they got some decent players....Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, RHJ, and LeVert, and they played pretty hard but only won 28 games, being a very young inexperienced team that hadn't played together.

Then the following year they made some moves, trading Brook Lopez for D'Angelo Russell (Lakers had drafted Ball), signed Allen Crabbe, traded for Demarre Carroll and drafted Jarrett Allen with the 22nd pick (who KD made sure they got rid of when he came on to make room for DeAndre Jordan).

But the next year, in Atkinson's 2nd year, as he got this young group playing together....mid to late picks and journeymen, they went 42-40, playing well above their talent...the sum being much greater than the parts.

I was VERY impressed with Atkinson.

Then of course they signed an injured KD, Kyrie and Jordan, and fired Kenny at the request of their new stars and ended up winning fewer games. KG was out but they had added Kyrie and Jordan on top of the other players.

Now Ott stuck around under Vaughn and Nash but then left to coach under Atkinson again in Cleveland.

I think one thing he knows is that you want players playing like a team, playing hard...and he could do well with players trying to prove themselves (possibly late first round picks, journymen, etc).

My bet is that he is NOT a KD fan. He's been down that road. He watched a young competitive scrappy Brooklyn team turn into a team with a couple of self entitled stars.

Then in Cleveland, they get those young hungry unproven players (except Mitchell) and he sees the success again.

I think he is a good coach for a rebuild. With Book and signing vets? Well, I don't think anyone can do much more than MAYBE fight for like 9th or 10th place.

The question is, will Book listen to him?

But if we do end up rebuilding within a year or two, I think he probably is a good pick. He may have ties to MIchigan St, but that certainly doesn't make him unqualified. I really think Kenny Atkinson is one of the best coaches in the NBA about getting more out of less (not that Cleveland didn't have a ton of talent, but to be 28-5 of whatever they were?).

The previous year they had the same talent under JB Bickerstaff, and won 48 games, which was good for the 4 seed, but still only 2 games ahead of hte 8 seed (3 teams were tied at 47 for 5-7) and then won 64 games when Atkinson came on with Ott.

The whole hire seems MAGAish (shady/dirty as all hell) BUT gonna make a final judgement at the end of year.

Personally I think Vogel and Bud got done dirty. They got blamed and thrown under the bus from Ishbia and James Jones clear and obvious mistakes as well as KDs I don’t care, I got mine attitude (that rubbed off on Booker). So yeah I have little faith in the hire. BUT we have to judge it at the end of the year.

Did Ishbia know him from before? He got his bachelors at Penn St and just his masters at Michigan St.

I agree the previous guys got done dirty. They were championship level coaches. They didn't forget how to coach. Bud outcoached Monty in the finals clear as day..once they made the adjustments to go big we couldn't counter.

But regardless, I like Ott as a rebuidling type coach. I do not think he will do better than those guys did. I think he will have worse talent for starters. We are not going to have a better roster by trading KD. But even with championship coaches, KD and Book with an older unathletic, non defensive, bad big man cast around them can only do so much.

Getting rid of KD for something won't fix it.

We need to get as much young talent as possible by next season and hopefully our 27 pick back.

I hope WE DO NOT trade KD to Houston because I hope they still will want that scoring vet at the deadline or in a year and we can trade Book for our 27, 29, Eason or Smith, another prospect, and a couple more Houston picks.

Then we can rebuild and have our 27 pick and some youth to work with.

Definitely going to give him a shot. Not like we have a choice. And Ishbia ain’t gonna fire him regardless. Ishbia isn’t going to pay 3 coaches at the same time. Ishbia still has to pay Vogel and Bud for the next 4 years. Yikers

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Darren Wolfson saying that the Wolves are in the mix for KD.

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That's the thing with the KD situation from my perspective. You get him for one year - he will very likely still be one of the best players in the league next year - and next summer, you have his bird rights. You can re-sign him or sign-and-trade him, or in the worst-case scenario, simply clear $55 million from your books. In any case, he can't make you offer him some jumbo 4-year contract.

KD's list of teams isn't all that relevant to me. If there's a team he really wants, he needs to convince that team to pony up the assets to get him. If he can't do that, he'll end up wherever he's wanted the most.

This is Brian Gregory's first dish. I hope the man can cook!

[thamadkant]

One positive I see it Ott. I know people hate the hire, but when Brooklyn traded all those young players and picks for KG, Gerald Wallace (Lillard), and Ray Allen, and then those guys got ousted in the 2nd round the first year and then the first round the following year where they won only 38 games, even with Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, KG, Thaddeus Young and Bojan, they then won 21 games the following year after KG was gone (but they still had all the other ones names except Deron Williams who was replaced with Jarrett Jack)..

So they still had aging talent...what is crazy is that was like 10 years ago and Brook Lopez is STILL playing..he was a 7 year vet...Bojan had only been in the league 1 year.

So they fired Lionel Hollins and brought in Atkinson (along with Ott)..

Now somehow they got some decent players....Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, RHJ, and LeVert, and they played pretty hard but only won 28 games, being a very young inexperienced team that hadn't played together.

Then the following year they made some moves, trading Brook Lopez for D'Angelo Russell (Lakers had drafted Ball), signed Allen Crabbe, traded for Demarre Carroll and drafted Jarrett Allen with the 22nd pick (who KD made sure they got rid of when he came on to make room for DeAndre Jordan).

But the next year, in Atkinson's 2nd year, as he got this young group playing together....mid to late picks and journeymen, they went 42-40, playing well above their talent...the sum being much greater than the parts.

I was VERY impressed with Atkinson.

Then of course they signed an injured KD, Kyrie and Jordan, and fired Kenny at the request of their new stars and ended up winning fewer games. KG was out but they had added Kyrie and Jordan on top of the other players.

Now Ott stuck around under Vaughn and Nash but then left to coach under Atkinson again in Cleveland.

I think one thing he knows is that you want players playing like a team, playing hard...and he could do well with players trying to prove themselves (possibly late first round picks, journymen, etc).

My bet is that he is NOT a KD fan. He's been down that road. He watched a young competitive scrappy Brooklyn team turn into a team with a couple of self entitled stars.

Then in Cleveland, they get those young hungry unproven players (except Mitchell) and he sees the success again.

I think he is a good coach for a rebuild. With Book and signing vets? Well, I don't think anyone can do much more than MAYBE fight for like 9th or 10th place.

The question is, will Book listen to him?

But if we do end up rebuilding within a year or two, I think he probably is a good pick. He may have ties to MIchigan St, but that certainly doesn't make him unqualified. I really think Kenny Atkinson is one of the best coaches in the NBA about getting more out of less (not that Cleveland didn't have a ton of talent, but to be 28-5 of whatever they were?).

The previous year they had the same talent under JB Bickerstaff, and won 48 games, which was good for the 4 seed, but still only 2 games ahead of hte 8 seed (3 teams were tied at 47 for 5-7) and then won 64 games when Atkinson came on with Ott.

The whole hire seems MAGAish (shady/dirty as all hell) BUT gonna make a final judgement at the end of year.

Personally I think Vogel and Bud got done dirty. They got blamed and thrown under the bus from Ishbia and James Jones clear and obvious mistakes as well as KDs I don’t care, I got mine attitude (that rubbed off on Booker). So yeah I have little faith in the hire. BUT we have to judge it at the end of the year.

Ott was hired and his Michigan ties is a huge factor. Ishiba wants to build an alumni type culture it seems to me. Where it goes beyond professional links but also what they do away from the company . Not saying Ott is horrible, but it doesn't align with Ishiba wanting to compete for a championship while hiring a coach who has never been a head coach.

And the above happens commonly in many corporations and political parties, it's not partisan behaviour, if you think it is, then the media has got you fooled.

[thamadkant]

I don't think Ware is all that and don't see any value whatsoever in middling role players like Rozier or Duncan. Jabari Smith alone is better than that. I think it ends up either Houston for more young pieces (that's the route I would go, and I'd take Green tbh as well unless another team will give us more to route him), or MN to win now with Gobert which I think just cements us in purgatory

Rosier and Duncan are just expirings to make the salary match work. Jabari has more long term upside than Gobert for sure but the issue with the rockets offer (if Jabari is even being offered yet) is that we are likely getting saddled with green who is a terrible fit with Book and doesn't seem to have a lot of interest around the league on the type of money he's on.

Jabari has to be paid as soon as next year (Suns would be wise to do it as soon as they get him to hedge against him blowing up here and costing us way more) but Ware is still on that rookie deal for another 3 years. Thats a big difference in money.

To me Jabari Smith Jr is potential to be an ideal long term PF solution. Turn him to Horry or Rasheed Wallace version 2, basically someone who scores 15, shoots 3s well, defends well and extremely reliable. Sign him for 4 years at 20M a year and it's all good value.

[BobbieL]

Rosier and Duncan are just expirings to make the salary match work. Jabari has more long term upside than Gobert for sure but the issue with the rockets offer (if Jabari is even being offered yet) is that we are likely getting saddled with green who is a terrible fit with Book and doesn't seem to have a lot of interest around the league on the type of money he's on.

Jabari has to be paid as soon as next year (Suns would be wise to do it as soon as they get him to hedge against him blowing up here and costing us way more) but Ware is still on that rookie deal for another 3 years. Thats a big difference in money.

To me Jabari Smith Jr is potential to be an ideal long term PF solution. Turn him to Horry or Rasheed Wallace version 2, basically someone who scores 15, shoots 3s well, defends well and extremely reliable. Sign him for 4 years at 20M a year and it's all good value.

If the rockets are offering Smith and Green - plus picks - that seems pretty good return. I get green is duplicative but one step at a time.

[Djedefre]

Yeah. If it's Jabari and 2 picks, you do it. Not the greatest of the trades, but passable. If it takes taking Green, so be it. I'm not a fan of his, but there are worse players out there. He's still young and you can at least try to find a role for him. If not, flip him later for a bag of chips, don't care.

[Frank Lee]

After dealing with cranky Bud… Ott ought to be candy. Wishbia has known him for a while and he does have a decent lineage. Did he work for Izzo too?
Certainly deserves a wait and see.

Plates are full of things to whine about. TheOtt is not one of them.

[Frank Lee]

Don’t play the ‘flip him later’ BS with Green. He either has another home else it’s no deal.

That’s why you need two picks. you’re going to need one to move him.

[Slim Charless]

Rosier and Duncan are just expirings to make the salary match work. Jabari has more long term upside than Gobert for sure but the issue with the rockets offer (if Jabari is even being offered yet) is that we are likely getting saddled with green who is a terrible fit with Book and doesn't seem to have a lot of interest around the league on the type of money he's on.

Jabari has to be paid as soon as next year (Suns would be wise to do it as soon as they get him to hedge against him blowing up here and costing us way more) but Ware is still on that rookie deal for another 3 years. Thats a big difference in money.

To me Jabari Smith Jr is potential to be an ideal long term PF solution. Turn him to Horry or Rasheed Wallace version 2, basically someone who scores 15, shoots 3s well, defends well and extremely reliable. Sign him for 4 years at 20M a year and it's all good value.

Yup.

He's a forgotten man over there and can't get any run. Here, he might be our #2 option on offense. I'd definitely buy low on the deal and get him signed. If he blows up here-which he can, then its liable to cost us 30+ million a year. 4/20 is a bargain that'd I'd be all about.

He'd sign it too, in order to lock in that long-term money coming off a down year.