Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[ishoy123]

It's kind of weird that Shams hasn't mentioned us even ONCE in the KD talks.

Shams doesn't like us. Raps don't feed him Intel.

I don't believe there was any real interest on both sides. The sportsbooks have Toronto at only 5th most likely, and was not even top 10 a week ago.

[bobbyp3588]

So if the KD thing isn’t happening and we are moving on to Malik ‘the big fish’ Monk, I wonder how that deal might be constructed.
Perhaps if we moved IQ to the Kings for Monk, Val and some draft compensatio… maybe a spurs 1st 2027 they received from the fox trade, though to me that’s not enough.

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

[Zeno]

So if the KD thing isn’t happening and we are moving on to Malik ‘the big fish’ Monk, I wonder how that deal might be constructed.
Perhaps if we moved IQ to the Kings for Monk, Val and some draft compensatio… maybe a spurs 1st 2027 they received from the fox trade, though to me that’s not enough.

That trade makes absolutely 0 sense unless RJ is headed out or there is a follow up trade to move him. We have too many players that are identical or have a ton of overlapping skill set. RJ has largely become redundant with BI here, and Monk and him offer essentially much of the same production wise.

Yeah, I agree it is just that I find it hard to imagine the Kings want RJ for Monk. They need a point guard. Regardless any rumour of us potentially doing another trade with Kings is a welcome one… maybe we move both RJ and IQ to the Kings, we get Monk and Val and pick from the Kings and Wiggins from Miami, Miami gets Demar. Shaves 3 million of salary . Not really sure I want Wiggins though…

[Zeno]

So if the KD thing isn’t happening and we are moving on to Malik ‘the big fish’ Monk, I wonder how that deal might be constructed.
Perhaps if we moved IQ to the Kings for Monk, Val and some draft compensatio… maybe a spurs 1st 2027 they received from the fox trade, though to me that’s not enough.

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

[Scase]

So if the KD thing isn’t happening and we are moving on to Malik ‘the big fish’ Monk, I wonder how that deal might be constructed.
Perhaps if we moved IQ to the Kings for Monk, Val and some draft compensatio… maybe a spurs 1st 2027 they received from the fox trade, though to me that’s not enough.

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

From the second the ink dried, but having two players that dont fit and getting rid of one that does, makes no sense at all.

[djsunyc]

So if the KD thing isn’t happening and we are moving on to Malik ‘the big fish’ Monk, I wonder how that deal might be constructed.
Perhaps if we moved IQ to the Kings for Monk, Val and some draft compensatio… maybe a spurs 1st 2027 they received from the fox trade, though to me that’s not enough.

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

im quite bullish on iq and think he's gonna have a good year with us. just comes down to health.

[navyblue]

i keep coming back to its 1 year too early for us, unless it was a steal which it doesnt seem to be

lets have 1 season of actually trying to win and see what kind of players/roster we have before adding to it.

[Zeno]

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

im quite bullish on iq and think he's gonna have a good year with us. just comes down to health.

Sure it is possible he has a good year. Staying healthy is obviously very important. But I feel like we signed him to a contract that’s likely upside is neutral in value at best. Worse still, the likely bonuses in IQ and RJ’s deals kill an additional 6 million combined of spending power if we do anything to hardcap ourselves at the 1st apron.

[anotherhomer]

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

im quite bullish on iq and think he's gonna have a good year with us. just comes down to health.

maybe they feel jamal shead fits better than IQ

[djsunyc]

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

im quite bullish on iq and think he's gonna have a good year with us. just comes down to health.

maybe they feel jamal shead fits better than IQ

iq posted some seriously good numbers when he played. i like shead too but he's still a backup.

i just want a healthy year for all our guys (whoever is on the roster) just to see what we really have.

iq can be a super sniper and catch and shoot guy from 3.

[djsunyc]

It's kind of weird that Shams hasn't mentioned us even ONCE in the KD talks.

Shams doesn't like us. Raps don't feed him Intel.

I don't believe there was any real interest on both sides. The sportsbooks have Toronto at only 5th most likely, and was not even top 10 a week ago.

considering how all these sports betting sites sponsor nba shows, they are definitely getting insider info from guys like shams.

my thought on our betting odds is that durant is basically refusing to come here. the offer is still out there but it will only go down if all other teams pull out.

[WuTang_OG]

[Scase]

im quite bullish on iq and think he's gonna have a good year with us. just comes down to health.

maybe they feel jamal shead fits better than IQ

iq posted some seriously good numbers when he played. i like shead too but he's still a backup.

i just want a healthy year for all our guys (whoever is on the roster) just to see what we really have.

iq can be a super sniper and catch and shoot guy from 3.

Eh, what? He's put up similar or worse numbers here as he did with the Knicks, his efficiency is the same or worse than his last 100+ games in NYC, his AST% went up, but so has his USG% and general MPG.

What numbers have been "seriously" good? I can jive with similar performance as in NYC, but seriously good? No one on this team in years has put up seriously good numbers on anything lol

[WuTang_OG]

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[dhackett1565]

maybe they feel jamal shead fits better than IQ

iq posted some seriously good numbers when he played. i like shead too but he's still a backup.

i just want a healthy year for all our guys (whoever is on the roster) just to see what we really have.

iq can be a super sniper and catch and shoot guy from 3.

Eh, what? He's put up similar or worse numbers here as he did with the Knicks, his efficiency is the same or worse than his last 100+ games in NYC, his AST% went up, but so has his USG% and general MPG.

What numbers have been "seriously" good? I can jive with similar performance as in NYC, but seriously good? No one on this team in years has put up seriously good numbers on anything lol

Maintaining efficiency while increasing usage and minutes is a good thing. And hard to accomplish.

Doing so while also increasing playmaking stats like AST% is very, very good. Meanwhile, a PG dramatically improving his AST% is one of those big difference makers in terms of assessing how well a PG is playing.

All of that ignoring how much of his time here has been injured or recovering from injury, which tends to mean a player plays worse or less efficient than when healthy.

[Pointgod]

Besides for the sake of making a trade, any trade, why on earth would we do this?

I am just passing the time, but I would have to assume buyer’s remorse on IQ?

From the second the ink dried, but having two players that dont fit and getting rid of one that does, makes no sense at all.

And those of us that wanted to trade OG for a massive pick package were brow beaten that Masai got the best package

[WuTang_OG]

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[Ackshun]

iq posted some seriously good numbers when he played. i like shead too but he's still a backup.

i just want a healthy year for all our guys (whoever is on the roster) just to see what we really have.

iq can be a super sniper and catch and shoot guy from 3.

Eh, what? He's put up similar or worse numbers here as he did with the Knicks, his efficiency is the same or worse than his last 100+ games in NYC, his AST% went up, but so has his USG% and general MPG.

What numbers have been "seriously" good? I can jive with similar performance as in NYC, but seriously good? No one on this team in years has put up seriously good numbers on anything lol

Maintaining efficiency while increasing usage and minutes is a good thing. And hard to accomplish.

Doing so while also increasing playmaking stats like AST% is very, very good. Meanwhile, a PG dramatically improving his AST% is one of those big difference makers in terms of assessing how well a PG is playing.

All of that ignoring how much of his time here has been injured or recovering from injury, which tends to mean a player plays worse or less efficient than when healthy.

Not to mention he was not a playmaking guard coming out of Kentucky. He was a combo guard that spaced the floor well. 1.9 apg with an assist/turnover ratio of 1:1.7. Terrible.

Yet he’s improved so much in 4-5 years. I hope we keep the kid.

[ForeverTFC]

maybe they feel jamal shead fits better than IQ

iq posted some seriously good numbers when he played. i like shead too but he's still a backup.

i just want a healthy year for all our guys (whoever is on the roster) just to see what we really have.

iq can be a super sniper and catch and shoot guy from 3.

Eh, what? He's put up similar or worse numbers here as he did with the Knicks, his efficiency is the same or worse than his last 100+ games in NYC, his AST% went up, but so has his USG% and general MPG.

What numbers have been "seriously" good? I can jive with similar performance as in NYC, but seriously good? No one on this team in years has put up seriously good numbers on anything lol

You answered your own question. He’s maintained his efficiency while increasing volume and usage. That’s great and not the norm by any means.

If we want to nit pick, it’s that he and Scottie have very little going together. But that’s as much - if not more - on Scottie and his inability to set a half decent screen and play as the roll man. I also would have liked a bit more creativity on drives but that was always wishful thinking.

[ForeverTFC]

Eh, what? He's put up similar or worse numbers here as he did with the Knicks, his efficiency is the same or worse than his last 100+ games in NYC, his AST% went up, but so has his USG% and general MPG.

What numbers have been "seriously" good? I can jive with similar performance as in NYC, but seriously good? No one on this team in years has put up seriously good numbers on anything lol

Maintaining efficiency while increasing usage and minutes is a good thing. And hard to accomplish.

Doing so while also increasing playmaking stats like AST% is very, very good. Meanwhile, a PG dramatically improving his AST% is one of those big difference makers in terms of assessing how well a PG is playing.

All of that ignoring how much of his time here has been injured or recovering from injury, which tends to mean a player plays worse or less efficient than when healthy.

Not to mention he was not a playmaking guard coming out of Kentucky. He was a combo guard that spaced the floor well. 1.9 apg with an assist/turnover ratio of 1:1.7. Terrible.

Yet he’s improved so much in 4-5 years. I hope we keep the kid.

I’m a fan of IQ, but the assist numbers of everyone on the team is inflated by our play style. We’ll see if this maintains with Ingram in the fold.