Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[djFan71]

Brown makes 4m less than AD next year(25/26). About 5m more this year(24/25) a trade is certainly possible with a third team.
Sabonis is about 10-11m less than Brown both years.
I think it’s very possible with a 4th team. Dallas will not want to take back more money so they can avoid being hard capped at the first Apron. Boston will not either and will not want to aggregate.
Sac has some room.
I think Boston would rather end up with AD but would need to send out more money ( complete the trade in 2024/25. This makes their 25/26 salary even higher though.

I feel like the xD to BOS ship (AD, KD) has sailed. AD actively refused it and his father dragged the org over IT. KD has passed multiple times (not that he was mentioned here). Sabonis, could work, but I think BOS keeps Brown over either option unless the DAL pick is the Maine one. Which, it won't be.

But yeah, purely on CBA mechanics, Sabonis or save enough money on other deals works.

Even with age availability contracts and all other factors, I still have it as

AD>Jaylen>>>Sabonis

So imo, Sac owes picks to both. But maybe I'm biased

Agreed. I just don't see either as BOS targets. But other BOS fans have thrown out JB for Sabonis+ type deals.

[penbeast0]

Do the Celts have a way to get to where they can send JRue and Porzingis for Lilliard. I know they are over 2nd apron and can't aggregate but can they slip below it and do this? And if so, what would Milwaukee have to offer to make it work?

Alternatively, the Celtics deal Tatum for Giannis. What could they offer given in future value to keep trying to win now? And what would the Bucks have to give New Orleans to get their pick next year cleared to take advantage of this?

[Texas Chuck]

Udoka inks big extension

[Klomp]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

[cl2117]

Do the Celts have a way to get to where they can send JRue and Porzingis for Lilliard. I know they are over 2nd apron and can't aggregate but can they slip below it and do this? And if so, what would Milwaukee have to offer to make it work?
Alternatively, the Celtics deal Tatum for Giannis. What could they offer given in future value to keep trying to win now? And what would the Bucks have to give New Orleans to get their pick next year cleared to take advantage of this?

You could make a Jrue/KP for Lillard trade legal by adding Hauser and a minimum salary from Boston's side (Bucks have to dump money elsewhere to make it legal on their side).

But then it's very difficult if not impossible to round out the rest of the roster without moving another player for savings and the only decent sized salary after Tatum/ Brown/ White is Pritchard who I doubt they want to let go. They'd only be a fraction below the apron having just done a 4 for 1 trade and I don't think even if they only added 2nd round picks to fill out the bench they could stay below it.

So unless there's also a Brown/White/Pritchard trade I don't think you can make it work between the bucks and C's.

[165bows]

Do the Celts have a way to get to where they can send JRue and Porzingis for Lilliard. I know they are over 2nd apron and can't aggregate but can they slip below it and do this? And if so, what would Milwaukee have to offer to make it work?
Alternatively, the Celtics deal Tatum for Giannis. What could they offer given in future value to keep trying to win now? And what would the Bucks have to give New Orleans to get their pick next year cleared to take advantage of this?

You could make a Jrue/KP for Lillard trade legal by adding Hauser and a minimum salary from Boston's side (Bucks have to dump money elsewhere to make it legal on their side).

But then it's very difficult if not impossible to round out the rest of the roster without moving another player for savings and the only decent sized salary after Tatum/ Brown/ White is Pritchard who I doubt they want to let go. They'd only be a fraction below the apron having just done a 4 for 1 trade and I don't think even if they only added 2nd round picks to fill out the bench they could stay below it.

So unless there's also a Brown/White/Pritchard trade I don't think you can make it work between the bucks and C's.

Right it’s almost exactly the same math for KD and it’s juuusssst out of reach without moving Pritchard and let’s be real no one’s moving him for KD or Lillard at this point.

[SkyHook]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

[Klomp]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

I was trying to think of a scenario where Lillard would go to a place where he would want to opt-in to 2026-27 to make one last run. Basically that would mean the team was calling for a two-year ramp where it would mean more of a slow burn due to not having Lillard this next year. I don't know if such a scenario exists though.

[hoopsfan777]

Murray, Olynyk, Hawkins and Alvarado
for
Lillard
MIL '31 1st

[SkyHook]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

I was trying to think of a scenario where Lillard would go to a place where he would want to opt-in to 2026-27 to make one last run. Basically that would mean the team was calling for a two-year ramp where it would mean more of a slow burn due to not having Lillard this next year. I don't know if such a scenario exists though.

A team that can afford to be without him for a year, but is confident in his potential production the following one and is willing to bake that into the trade valuation? That may be an imaginary team at this point.

[jredsaz]

Play In For Life

OR consistently competitive with flexibility

I didn’t know they had remained competitive? I guess it’s how you define that.

I was joking. That’s what the tweet said.

[jredsaz]

Udoka inks big extension

Hopefully now they will listen to him on KD

[SlimShady83]

2 questions as i'm looking at doing some trades

1) Would Bucks be able to trade Dame time even though he is injured and what type of teams would want him and why and would Bucks even consider moving Dame???

2) When it comes to Boston and them staying under the tax, who are they looking to trade is everyone the trading block except Tatum?? heard rumors that even Brown could be gone ???

Answering 1): Jazz could easily take Lillard if a distant 1st is attached or at least a couple of swaps.

Would still need to send out salary to match, i'll take a look

[SlimShady83]

Do the Celts have a way to get to where they can send JRue and Porzingis for Lilliard. I know they are over 2nd apron and can't aggregate but can they slip below it and do this? And if so, what would Milwaukee have to offer to make it work?

Alternatively, the Celtics deal Tatum for Giannis. What could they offer given in future value to keep trying to win now? And what would the Bucks have to give New Orleans to get their pick next year cleared to take advantage of this?

I'm looking a trade that would send Brown to the Bucks to team up with Giannis and Bos can shed some salary, i'm still working on it though lols.

[SlimShady83]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

As I just quoted someone else I was thinking to the Celtics Brown goes to Bucks, Lillard and picks go to Boston, but also looking at a 3rd team in a trade as well, I'm working on it.

[penbeast0]

Do the Celts have a way to get to where they can send JRue and Porzingis for Lilliard. I know they are over 2nd apron and can't aggregate but can they slip below it and do this? And if so, what would Milwaukee have to offer to make it work?

Alternatively, the Celtics deal Tatum for Giannis. What could they offer given in future value to keep trying to win now? And what would the Bucks have to give New Orleans to get their pick next year cleared to take advantage of this?

I'm looking a trade that would send Brown to the Bucks to team up with Giannis and Bos can shed some salary, i'm still working on it though lols.

Holiday and Porzingis are who they purportedly want to move and the salary lines up pretty well with Lillard (have to add Pat Connaughton); this way we align the two injured stars who appear out for the year and the team that gets them can do a developmental year for a draft choice while the other team goes for it with the older Jrue (and Porzingis).

[gswhoops]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

I think the only way this works is that Milwaukee has to eat some longer term salary that Team A wants to get rid of in exchange for getting guys that can actually play now, and combine that with some incentive from their side to make it work.

Portland fans don't like Grant/Simons for Dame (and I don't blame them) but it's the example I keep coming back to. Paul George is another example. Maybe Chicago does Vuc + PWill + Carter for Dame plus some minor incentives?

[djFan71]

Do the Celts have a way to get to where they can send JRue and Porzingis for Lilliard. I know they are over 2nd apron and can't aggregate but can they slip below it and do this? And if so, what would Milwaukee have to offer to make it work?

Alternatively, the Celtics deal Tatum for Giannis. What could they offer given in future value to keep trying to win now? And what would the Bucks have to give New Orleans to get their pick next year cleared to take advantage of this?

I'm looking a trade that would send Brown to the Bucks to team up with Giannis and Bos can shed some salary, i'm still working on it though lols.

Holiday and Porzingis are who they purportedly want to move and the salary lines up pretty well with Lillard (have to add Pat Connaughton); this way we align the two injured stars who appear out for the year and the team that gets them can do a developmental year for a draft choice while the other team goes for it with the older Jrue (and Porzingis).

BOS only wants to move them to clear salary, though. Any deal that doesn’t clear significant $ isn’t one they would move those guys for.

[bowery77]

Ace Bailey is trying to slide to Brooklyn, right?

[SkyHook]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

I think the only way this works is that Milwaukee has to eat some longer term salary that Team A wants to get rid of in exchange for getting guys that can actually play now, and combine that with some incentive from their side to make it work.

Portland fans don't like Grant/Simons for Dame (and I don't blame them) but it's the example I keep coming back to. Paul George is another example. Maybe Chicago does Vuc + PWill + Carter for Dame plus some minor incentives?

There's definitely some logic to this.