Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[Ron Swanson]

Even at his best I don't view Lauri as this awesome co-star type guy that you should be using the rest of your depleted assets to pair with Giannis. He certainly "fits" as an elite 3PT spacer next to Giannis if the plan is to play Gianni at Center, but that can't be all that he brings. Bad/exploitable defender, mediocre rebounder, bad mid-range shooter, not much of a shot-creator, never seems healthy, etc. I really don't get people's continued fascination with him.

[Bernman]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat. Also, who's going to take the last shot? This is a problem still w/ Giannis. You need that guy to be a perimeter orchestrator. Preferably a guard or wing.

I think a Durant type could work. Then you'd have flexibility to play Durant/Giannis at the 3/4 or 4/5, depending on match-ups. But I'm not investing my future firsts into a truer big like Lauri. I'd much rather do that for Reaves, who could have a symbiosis.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

what we need to do this year with lopez and portis is the same thing we did with brandon jennings.....if we want to retain and win again with giannis.....is we need to find with somebody what we did with detroit in a s/t.....we need to trade for brandon knight and have khris middleton show up with him. thats what we need to be focused on. we need the next khris. thats all we need.

kpj and even gtj is an uncertain win now approach. they arent khris....not either one of them. they are very temporary and shouldnt be invested in with the type of investment that youd want to give to khris. gtj is more like a portis character and kpj is somewhere between ruben and brandon jennings. i view kpj the way i viewed jennings after his rokkie year in some ways. but i also see there that he could be like ruben was...good numbers but a total dick. we can trust the front office to sort this

[Licensed to Il]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat. Also, who's going to take the last shot? This is a problem still w/ Giannis. You need that guy to be a perimeter orchestrator. Preferably a guard or wing.

I think a Durant type could work. Then you'd have flexibility to play Durant/Giannis at the 3/4 or 4/5, depending on match-ups. But I'm not investing my future firsts into a truer big like Lauri. I'd much rather do that for Reaves, who could have a symbiosis.

I think Kneupel could be a floor spacer, PnR facilitator, and competent defender. I see some Middelton in the kid. What would it take to get him? The 5th pick? 8th pick?

[soxperry]

Even at his best I don't view Lauri as this awesome co-star type guy that you should be using the rest of your depleted assets to pair with Giannis. He certainly "fits" as an elite 3PT spacer next to Giannis if the plan is to play Gianni at Center, but that can't be all that he brings. Bad/exploitable defender, mediocre rebounder, bad mid-range shooter, not much of a shot-creator, never seems healthy, etc. I really don't get people's continued fascination with him.

I dont think anyone called Lauri a co star. I just personally feel like he has more upside than Herb Jones. And i love Herb Jones, but hes a guy who scores ten points a game and shot the three ball at 33%, 33%, 42%, and then 30% so far. Hes a guy you would love to add if you have everything else in place and just need an elite defender.

I just dont know what Herb does for us right now that moves the needle as much as a guy capable of 40% at volume and putting up 25 ppg.

I would also suggest that Kpj potentially becomes the guy creating shots at the end of games given his obvious skillset for it.

[ReasonablySober]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat.

Who gives a ****? The best defense is any one that encourages the opposing offense to go to their center for some kind of stupid post action. If the Clippers decide they want to play Zubac vs Giannis in the post, let them. The Bucks will win.

[tski1972]

Lauri dealt with back issues all last season, which should raise some alarms, easy pass for me.

[yb90]

Who would you rather have Lauri or MPJ?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Who would you rather have Lauri or MPJ?

describe the contracts

as a second question id ask the board who would you rather have........ portis or kpj or even gtj for 14 mil per?

thats the question in my head

i think id take them in this order

portis
gtj
kpj

id feel icky about all 3 for that number but id also get it

[soxperry]

Who would you rather have Lauri or MPJ?

describe the contracts

as a second question id ask the board who would you rather have........ portis or kpj or even gtj for 14 mil per?

thats the question in my head

i think id take them in this order

portis
gtj
kpj

id feel icky about all 3 for that number but id also get it

Youre clinically insane

[MVP2110]

We're in a tricky situation of both A) resigned to the fact that this is gonna have to be a "gap year", and B) still remaining competitive enough to where you don't completely alienate Giannis by throwing a bunch of young G-league dudes out there and win 35-games or whatever. I don't see any downside of grabbing some of those dudes on vet minimums. The young talent that's even worth "developing" on this team is so miniscule. You still need to fill out a legit NBA roster.

The other thing to note is the young talent we have aren't really on long-term contracts.
Guys with cost control: Smith, Livingston, Jackson.....that is it.

Rollins is currently a FA, Porter likely is a FA, Green is on his last year, Trent/Sims are FAs. These guys may come back cheaply, but it isn't like they are on a 4/$15m deal where we will reap the benefits in a year or two. If they play well, we will likely have to pay up for them.
Give me more guys like Trent/Beasley at the min over hoping Rollins becomes a rotational caliber player someday. Scour the international guys and see if there is any hope bringing in those guys.

Rollins was already a rotation level player as a 22 year old with a bum shoulder

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat.

Who gives a ****? The best defense is any one that encourages the opposing offense to go to their center for some kind of stupid post action. If the Clippers decide they want to play Zubac vs Giannis in the post, let them. The Bucks will win.

giannis/portis at pf/center ive noticed that we cant get a defensive rebound to save our lives. thats what i saw when lopez was out

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Who would you rather have Lauri or MPJ?

describe the contracts

as a second question id ask the board who would you rather have........ portis or kpj or even gtj for 14 mil per?

thats the question in my head

i think id take them in this order

portis
gtj
kpj

id feel icky about all 3 for that number but id also get it

Youre clinically insane

even with your insult whats youre take? show me your order?

gtj showed out for 35 in two playoff games and portis is culture and numbers and an alternative to lopez who besides him we have very little for.

kpj is theoretically the best middleton replacemnt type?

but is he really? thats a reach for me. im kinda culture first right now?

[Bernman]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat.

Who gives a ****? The best defense is any one that encourages the opposing offense to go to their center for some kind of stupid post action. If the Clippers decide they want to play Zubac vs Giannis in the post, let them. The Bucks will win.

Wins and losses do, because if you invest our little draft capital in a player who can't create at the end of games we'll lose against the Pacers or most playoff teams then, & we'll get destroyed in the post + on the boards generally. It's why for a stretch the Bucks were totally dysfunctional.

If simply inviting interior play while utilizing small ball would have disadvantaged the opponent, it would have happened then. Depends on the match-up, who can mismatch the other more. Giannis himself is a post player/slasher for 2's. So we're exchanging high % 2 attempts for extra ones.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

lauri is a slightly fancier version than bobby. no interest there for me unless somehow theyd want dame back on a trade that made sense

[German Athens]

Lauri has more in common with Steph than he does Bobby.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

rollins/ shroder
gtj/ ajj/ #2
ajg/ patc
giannis/ kuzma
portis/ sims

pick up gtj on mle as needed. most of it if its short term
pick up shroder with vet min or bae. most of bae if its short term
resign portis for what he wants
maybe bring in a 3rd wing in a s/t for lopez. maybe work the trade exception for laravia or something there. ive been keeping up with him on facebook from his parents. root for laravia if youre a bucks fan. i'll be like on the team with that family

bring kpj back if it makes sense financially with the above and he fits with sensible shorterm monetary investment

dame comes back late season to relieve giannis playmaking and then next offseaon we have pat gone and dame and kuzma expiring and picks to deal. thats when we go big in. but next year if we have to just "be competitive" i can get behind that rotation

[BigO]

It looks good on paper but you have to hope Yves is a player. CJ turns 34 before the season. Herb is nice.

The only for sure value is Herb Jones and you're giving up BP and a first and a lot of seconds to get him.He's not a great rebounder or scorer. Who is taking up the lost rebounding and scoring? I do like getting rid of Kuzma.

I think they all have value in Milwaukee. We need a guard like CJ just as much as a wing like Herb. We add a lot of defense and a viable scoring punch. When Dame comes back there’s a variety of lineup options. I like it a lot.

You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The only for sure value is Herb Jones and you're giving up BP and a first and a lot of seconds to get him.He's not a great rebounder or scorer. Who is taking up the lost rebounding and scoring? I do like getting rid of Kuzma.

I think they all have value in Milwaukee. We need a guard like CJ just as much as a wing like Herb. We add a lot of defense and a viable scoring punch. When Dame comes back there’s a variety of lineup options. I like it a lot.

You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.

BP is a free agent and we have bird rights. what would you spend? im curious

im not a huge fan like you at all but this offseason i think we need to re=up and not lose him considering all the other actions were facing. he does have value id not want to see leave in the front court without an alternative. losing him and brook together would be ugh

so just curious coming from you. whats the number youd let him walk?

[pifhluk23]

rollins/ shroder
gtj/ ajj/ #2
ajg/ patc
giannis/ kuzma
portis/ sims

pick up gtj on mle as needed. most of it if its short term
pick up shroder with vet min or bae. most of bae if its short term
resign portis for what he wants
maybe bring in a 3rd wing in a s/t for lopez. maybe work the trade exception for laravia or something there. ive been keeping up with him on facebook from his parents. root for laravia if youre a bucks fan. i'll be like on the team with that family

bring kpj back if it makes sense financially with the above and he fits with sensible shorterm monetary investment

dame comes back late season to relieve giannis playmaking and then next offseaon we have pat gone and dame and kuzma expiring and picks to deal. thats when we go big in. but next year if we have to just "be competitive" i can get behind that rotation

Giannis would have to be unanimous MVP 70+ games and 36+mpg to keep that team out of the play in. No way that is what the FO does.