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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#981 » by frankenwolf » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:02 pm

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I have questions whether he has the athleticism. But, not going to lie, would be really fun at 31. That passing is, if you squint, a little Jokic-like.


Watching his corner 3pt shot, it seems like a long time from the catch to the shot. Not the motion, but the amount of time reminds me of Gorgui.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#982 » by moss_is_1 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:09 pm

With the roster how it is right now, and not many minutes available I'd be fine with taking some big potential swings and letting them develop.

Traore at 17 and Yang at 31.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#983 » by minimus » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:44 pm

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I have never thought about it but Nique Clifford has similar measurements as NAW. Not as good as screen navigator but definitely a solid defender with some offensive game. Would you be okay with replacing NAW with Clifford? He would be a cheaper version with a bit more rebounding, tertiary playmaker.

P.S. Nique and Nickeil sounds similar!
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#984 » by Norseman79 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:31 am

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I have never thought about it but Nique Clifford has similar measurements as NAW. Not at good as screen navigator but definitely a solid defender with some offensive game. Would you be okay with replacing NAW with Clifford? He would be a cheaper version with a bit more rebounding, tertiary playmaker.

P.S. Nique and Nickeil sounds similar!


No, we already have that replacement in Clark.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#985 » by younggunsmn » Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:53 am

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Offensively, kind of. He can score. Defensively? No. I don’t think he’ll be able to defend the rim in the NBA. I see him more in a double big lineup with another rim protector, like his buddy Wemby.

Regarding Turner, as a true freshman primarily coming off the bench, playing only 22 minutes/game, blocked 2.6 shots/game.

Raynaud, despite being a starter since his sophomore year and having that size, never even blocked one shot/game until his senior year when he was playing almost 34 minutes a game. And even then, he only blocked 1.4 shots/game.

I see him more as a Naz Reid, as a ceiling, than Turner.


I think Reynaud can easily be the next Vucevic if he stays healthy.
That will be more his playstyle.

If we come out of this draft with one of Kalkbrenner or Reynaud I will be super happy.
I bet there are a lot of teams that feel the same way.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#986 » by minimus » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:13 am

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I have never thought about it but Nique Clifford has similar measurements as NAW. Not as good as screen navigator but definitely a solid defender with some offensive game. Would you be okay with replacing NAW with Clifford? He would be a cheaper version with a bit more rebounding, tertiary playmaker.

P.S. Nique and Nickeil sounds similar!


No, we already have that replacement in Clark.


While Clark is similar level of defender as NAW (although different type of defender), he is years behind as ballhandler and passer. Nique might fill that role of connective tissue from the bench

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#987 » by minimus » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:16 pm

Noah Penda reminds me Deni Avdija in terms of physicality when he drives.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#988 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:58 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I just don't understand how people think every draft has to be a home run. My goodness, depending on the other moves we make, this is the key statement here, finding two players that can come in and be part of the rotation is a huge win. They don't have to be all stars or even starters. A player able to walk in and provide 15 to 20 minutes backing up Rudy Gobert at a high level. That would be a huge win. We won't likely find a starting PG in this draft, but two quality bigs - a PF and C - would be a win.

In general, I agree. However, two things specific to our situation give me pause.
1. We already have depth to a point where one could argue it's too much, unless we trade it all in a Durant-type trade.
2. Will an extra backup role player be the difference between losing in the WCF in 5 games and winning the West and maybe winning a title?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#989 » by dschroeder01 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:35 pm

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I have never thought about it but Nique Clifford has similar measurements as NAW. Not as good as screen navigator but definitely a solid defender with some offensive game. Would you be okay with replacing NAW with Clifford? He would be a cheaper version with a bit more rebounding, tertiary playmaker.

P.S. Nique and Nickeil sounds similar!


No, we already have that replacement in Clark.


While Clark is similar level of defender as NAW (although different type of defender), he is years behind as ballhandler and passer. Nique might fill that role of connective tissue from the bench


I'm a little worried about him being so old. He's a good rebounder, but otherwise doesn't have one great skill and the concern would be that he succeeded by just being bigger/older than the competition. Shannon was older, but he's got that distinct downhill ability and foul drawing that has translated along with being a high end athlete. Clifford isn't that level of an athlete and might struggle more when he's not just bigger/stroner than everyone.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#990 » by dschroeder01 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:37 pm

Where would Rob Dillingham go in this draft? Is he a better PG prospect than Fears? Jakucionis? Demin?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#991 » by dschroeder01 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:51 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I just don't understand how people think every draft has to be a home run. My goodness, depending on the other moves we make, this is the key statement here, finding two players that can come in and be part of the rotation is a huge win. They don't have to be all stars or even starters. A player able to walk in and provide 15 to 20 minutes backing up Rudy Gobert at a high level. That would be a huge win. We won't likely find a starting PG in this draft, but two quality bigs - a PF and C - would be a win.

I agree that there can be good value to drafting someone who projects as a backup. Good teams can use a Luke Kornet (Kalkbrenner?) that has a very defined scope. For instance, a backup 5 who can only play drop, but can defend the paint for 15 minutes is a nice option to have in the regular season. A combo guard like Clayton that could score off the bench could help a rotation.

Good drafting takes lots of factors into account. When drafting a player with more limited upside it would be nice if they have a better chance of hitting it.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#992 » by minimus » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:54 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#993 » by BlacJacMac » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:14 pm

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ESPN thinks so:

17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Detroit)
Thomas Sorber, C, Georgetown
Freshman | TS%: 58.7

Height without shoes: 6-9¼ | Weight: 262
Standing reach: 9-1 | Wingspan: 7-6

Sorber is still recovering from February foot surgery and has been unable to partake in basketball activities on the workout circuit, with teams relying on film and the interview process to complete his evaluation. Nevertheless, he has solid interest inside the top 20, as teams are drawn to his defensive impact and long-term outlook after emerging this season as a surprise one-and-done player.

Minnesota is facing potential roster changes next season, with Naz Reid and Julius Randle set to test free agency and the Timberwolves currently tied as a Kevin Durant landing spot. There's a good case for adding frontcourt depth here, with a number of bigs projected inside the top 20, and the Wolves also holding the No. 31 pick. -- Woo

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#994 » by jpatrick » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:19 pm

minimus wrote:Noah Penda reminds me Deni Avdija in terms of physicality when he drives.



I see a version of Kyle Anderson. Not quite as long as Anderson but, although he’s not good at it yet, he’s got a much better looking stroke than Kyle.

At 31, there is a bucket of players and one of them is going to drop to our pick: Penda, Gonzalez, Saraf, Powell, Thiero, and Kalkbrenner. Maybe Hansen. I have no idea about this group. Any could turn out to be the most useful NBA player. My preference would probably be Gonzalez. I think he has the most upside, and that upside was hidden on Real Madrid that is two deep in former NBA players.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#995 » by jpatrick » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:26 pm

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So, I was wondering who TC would prefer if they were both there: Sorber or Beringer. Sorber, despite his wingspan, still has a fairly short standing reach by NBA center standards (9’1”). Is not a quick or explosive athlete. Will not be a rim running lob threat and, at least at Georgetown, was a drop only big. But, he’s a very high IQ guy on both ends, had very good block and steal numbers and Georgetown’s defense was infinitely better with him on the floor. I see him as a Hartenstein type guy. Not as vertical as Hartenstein but smart player, good passer, can be part of very good offenses and defenses even if never a focal point of either. And we have to factor in the foot injury.

Beringer is longer, younger, better athlete. Best shot blocker in his league at age 18. Easily defended on the perimeter. Lob threat. And I’ve read has great hands. He, however, has only been playing basketball for three years and in a lot of ways doesn’t know what he’s doing.

My guess is at least one is gone by 17, probably Beringer, but it’d be interesting to see who TC would choose. Rudy and Kessler, both acquired by TC, both more the Beringer rim runner type.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#996 » by wolves_89 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:16 pm

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So, I was wondering who TC would prefer if they were both there: Sorber or Beringer. Sorber, despite his wingspan, still has a fairly short standing reach by NBA center standards (9’1”). Is not a quick or explosive athlete. Will not be a rim running lob threat and, at least at Georgetown, was a drop only big. But, he’s a very high IQ guy on both ends, had very good block and steal numbers and Georgetown’s defense was infinitely better with him on the floor. I see him as a Hartenstein type guy. Not as vertical as Hartenstein but smart player, good passer, can be part of very good offenses and defenses even if never a focal point of either. And we have to factor in the foot injury.

Beringer is longer, younger, better athlete. Best shot blocker in his league at age 18. Easily defended on the perimeter. Lob threat. And I’ve read has great hands. He, however, has only been playing basketball for three years and in a lot of ways doesn’t know what he’s doing.

My guess is at least one is gone by 17, probably Beringer, but it’d be interesting to see who TC would choose. Rudy and Kessler, both acquired by TC, both more the Beringer rim runner type.


I'd go with Sorber over Beringer. I think Sorber has a real chance at being a 2-way player, and while his defensive ceiling is lower he is light years ahead of Beringer on the offensive end. I like Sorber's size, strength, and length combined with his ability to process the game. I could see him and Naz working really well together as a long term pairing.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#997 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:52 pm

If Sorbers foot checks out medically then he'd be a nice pick. Really smart player, long, not a total stiff offensively where he can dribble some and is a good passer. Could be a high post passer, and good passer out of short rolls in the pick and roll.

He looks like hes still growing into his body, where he could tone up and might get some more athletic ability once hes in the league.

Any thoughts on Jase Richardson? I think for our team he fits better where he'd be asked to play off the ball a lot more. Really great shooter who can still create some. Only measured 6'0.5" but a decent 6'6" wingspan. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice to have him learn from Mike who has similar height and length and been a high level defender despite that.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#998 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:18 am

Sorber has a very high floor, but I don't know if he has a high ceiling. Beringer might have one of the lower floors in the class, but one of the higher ceilings, especially at this point in the draft
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#999 » by KGdaBom » Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:05 am

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Oh My God. Are we going to listen to Doogie about a draft prospect. Given health he would be an easy choice at 17.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition 

Post#1000 » by Norseman79 » Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:37 am

I'm not a sober fan. Wingspan nice, height, standing reach, vertical and mobility are not.

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