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Post#521 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:57 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:What's the highest pick we need to acquire to have a shot at Coward? If he's there at 15, do you send OKC our 2026 secondary swap rights for him?


I think the ‘26 swap would get us their other pick, not 15.

Our ‘31 1st would get more than 15, though.


It certainly would net us 24 but that's way too good a deal for OKC. You're all but guaranteeing our pick next year is no higher than 28th-29th while they might get a legit shot at a lottery pick. I'd be engaging other teams though (Brooklyn, San Antonio, Memphis, Miami) to see if they'd wanna gamble on us being worse than them for a mid-late 1st.



Teams that go to the Finals are routinely besieged by injury next year, and we ain't no lottery team. If we are some how terrible, it's a moot point because we already swapped the pick anyway, this is a secondary swap
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Post#522 » by El Pooch Grande » Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:01 am

Is there anyway we have the assets to trade up for Kon K? Of all the players in this draft (other than Flagg) I just think he would be the perfect fit on the Bucks next to Giannis.
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Post#524 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:57 pm

Slowly talking myself into RJ Luis cuz maybe he's just this draft class's Toumani Camara?
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Post#525 » by German Athens » Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:15 pm

El Pooch Grande wrote:Is there anyway we have the assets to trade up for Kon K? Of all the players in this draft (other than Flagg) I just think he would be the perfect fit on the Bucks next to Giannis.


I think our ‘31 1st and a swap could probably gets us to #10 if Houston wanted to kick the can down the road, so it would probably take Kon falling to that spot.

Unlikely all around.
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Post#526 » by mattg » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:48 pm

El Pooch Grande wrote:Is there anyway we have the assets to trade up for Kon K? Of all the players in this draft (other than Flagg) I just think he would be the perfect fit on the Bucks next to Giannis.

No chance. To guarantee Kon you basically have to have #3, or jump up during the draft to likely 4-5. That's really high and we don't have assets for that, nor do I think it's worth it.

Kon is a nice player, but I saw someone earlier say they think he could be Middleton-esque for us potentially. Thing is, Kon has like negative ability to shoot off the dribble. Literally he not only sucks at it, but he has always refused to even attempt those shots. Think it's a big stretch to assume he is going to develop a robust off-dribble/on ball creation game given how he plays and his measure-ables.

Basically what I'm saying, is that even if we could go up and get Kon K, I don't think he projects as a Middleton type at all and I don't think it would be worth the assets for the archetype he is going to fill in the NBA (for what we need at least).
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Post#527 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:00 pm

There isn't enough talk about Rashere Fleming. If we moved up to the latter part of round 1, he's my guy. He's be awesome opposite of Giannis. Get a little higher, then maybe it's Coward.
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Post#528 » by jakecronus8 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:22 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:The isn't enough talk about Rashere Fleming. If we moved up to the latter part of round 1, he's my guy. He's be awesome opposite of Giannis. Get a little higher, then maybe it's Coward.

I do feel like Coward is gonna be the diamond in the proverbial rough for a pretty yucky class.
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Post#529 » by tski1972 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:11 pm

If they stay at #47 I like…

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Post#530 » by BigO » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:47 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:The isn't enough talk about Rashere Fleming. If we moved up to the latter part of round 1, he's my guy. He's be awesome opposite of Giannis. Get a little higher, then maybe it's Coward.


The rap on Fleming is that he has a low BBIQ. He has a definite skillset worth exploring. When I think of BBIQ I forst look at assist to turnover ratio (it's just my own peculiar bias). Fleming is in the negative range.
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Post#531 » by emunney » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:40 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:The isn't enough talk about Rashere Fleming. If we moved up to the latter part of round 1, he's my guy. He's be awesome opposite of Giannis. Get a little higher, then maybe it's Coward.


The rap on Fleming is that he has a low BBIQ. He has a definite skillset worth exploring. When I think of BBIQ I forst look at assist to turnover ratio (it's just my own peculiar bias). Fleming is in the negative range.


Doesn't mean as much for bigs, who aren't handling the ball, initiating offense, making plays, etc. Tim Duncan had a negative A:TO ratio all 4 years at Wake; ditto Worthy at UNC.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#532 » by BigO » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:57 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:The isn't enough talk about Rashere Fleming. If we moved up to the latter part of round 1, he's my guy. He's be awesome opposite of Giannis. Get a little higher, then maybe it's Coward.


The rap on Fleming is that he has a low BBIQ. He has a definite skillset worth exploring. When I think of BBIQ I forst look at assist to turnover ratio (it's just my own peculiar bias). Fleming is in the negative range.


Doesn't mean as much for bigs, who aren't handling the ball, initiating offense, making plays, etc. Tim Duncan had a negative A:TO ratio all 4 years at Wake; ditto Worthy at UNC.


Thanks.That's an interesting fact.I am now a smarter man. And I expect Fleming to be in the Hall of Fame.
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Post#533 » by emunney » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:59 pm

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The rap on Fleming is that he has a low BBIQ. He has a definite skillset worth exploring. When I think of BBIQ I forst look at assist to turnover ratio (it's just my own peculiar bias). Fleming is in the negative range.


Doesn't mean as much for bigs, who aren't handling the ball, initiating offense, making plays, etc. Tim Duncan had a negative A:TO ratio all 4 years at Wake; ditto Worthy at UNC.


Thanks.That's an interesting fact.I am now a smarter man. And I expect Fleming to be in the Hall of Fame.


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Post#534 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:13 am

tbh bigo i laughed pretty good.
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Post#535 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:57 am

BigO wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:The isn't enough talk about Rashere Fleming. If we moved up to the latter part of round 1, he's my guy. He's be awesome opposite of Giannis. Get a little higher, then maybe it's Coward.


The rap on Fleming is that he has a low BBIQ. He has a definite skillset worth exploring. When I think of BBIQ I forst look at assist to turnover ratio (it's just my own peculiar bias). Fleming is in the negative range.


He's in the right spots defensively, and take shots he can make. He just needs more experience to iron out the other stuff. If he had stayed in college for 10 years like Kalkbrenner, his numbers would look better. Sure, I'd love a great passer too, but we talking late 1st. Playoff caliber defensive 4/5 who can shoot.
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Post#536 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:15 am

I haven't paid enough attention to anyone in this class to have a strong opinion, but it's interesting to see all the wildly different scouting reports and rankings. Listened to Russilo and Vecenie and they seem to know their ****, especially Vecenie. Compared it to GIvony and ESPN and some massive differences of opinion. Don't remember that with many classes.
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Post#537 » by CJTURT » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:09 am

With an old chisel headed coach who’s prime passed him by 15 years ago , any pick we make wont be playing anytime in the near future I’d probably bet.
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Post#538 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:17 pm

CJTURT wrote:With an old chisel headed coach who’s prime passed him by 15 years ago , any pick we make wont be playing anytime in the near future I’d probably bet.


Only because we're unlikely to draft someone good. Doc gave big minutes to SGA and Maxie as rookies, because they were good. Lots to dislike about Doc, but this is the least of our worries.
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Post#539 » by emunney » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 pm

Pelton says Koby Brea's shooting rating is "the best of any prospect ever in [his] database". I wish he named the rest of the top 5.

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Post#540 » by machu46 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:32 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Drafting Knueppel at #4 is such a Charlotte move and I fully expect it to happen at this point. If there's a scouting department worse than ours, it's them.
I like him a lot personally. Probably #4 on my big board this year. Anything after Flagg and Harper is fair game to me but I'd probably go with Edgecomb over him

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