The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[sunskerr]

Jovic?

Haha

[BobbieL]

With Jake Fischer and Goodwill both saying Miami I am trying to think about the potential packages.

1) Duncan Robinson. I think he is undoubtedly in the offer because of the money savings.

2) Wiggins OR Rozier. One of them has to be in the offerbto match salaries. Wiggins has 2 years left, Rozier is expiring.

Wiggins obviously the better player. The Heat will try to trade us Rozier.

3) Ware, Jovic, Jaquez. I think that we are asking for two of them and the Heat just wants to give us one..Jaquez. Ware is the prize. We need to get AT LEAST Jovic.

4) Picks. The Heat probably just wants to give us #20 BUT we need to get another FRP. And a couple 2nds as a sweeteners would be great.

5) Optional. The Heat have other young players with less potential that can be added in the final trade. Pelle is one of them.

Their first offer IMO:
Duncan Robinson, Rozier, Jaquez and #20.

Their current offer after negotiations IMO:
Duncan Robinson, Wiggins, Jovic, #20 and another FRP.

What money savings from Robinson? If you think the Suns will save $8m of cap space, you are wrong. Either he counts $10m in the trade and the Suns waive him or he counts $18m and the Suns pay him. But he can't count $18m in the trade and than waived for the $10m option.

I think Wiggins has to be included - even thought not an expiring - he is signed through 2027 and is a decent enough player next to Booker.

[Slim Charless]

Spurs are a very cunning and smart franchise. They don't over pay ever. Even how they got Fox, that trade was skewed towards Spurs since Fox is a legit All Star who just entered his prime.

Fox is a short, streaky shooter with little range who doesnt play elite D. He's never gonna be as good as current Durant IMO and forget about prime Durant. He relies on his speed and that will go soon enough. Wemby is a baller, so they'll be fine but I doubt Fox ever sees an ASG-especially in the west. Maybe with this USA vs the World thing he can try and get in for another country if possible. But this one?

Not gonna happen.

You're selling Fox short. The past 3 seasons with the Kings, he averaged more than 25ppg while dishing out 6 assists and grabbing 5 rebounds. There's parts of his game which is lacking like consistent 3PT shooting and defense but the guy is all-star calibre. Just 2 seasons ago he led the Kings to 48wins while making an all-NBA 2nd team and made an all-star team.... in the West.

He's fine. Nothing too special and he won't make another all star game.

If he were offered for KD straight up, I'd say yes but only cause we need a PG. KD will add more wins for a team next 2 years than Fox will.

[MrMiyagi]

I would trade KD for TJ McConnell straight up.

[bigfoot]

Could not agree more.

I have suggested this since the end of the season. I know our record sucked last year along with the style of play, but the talent was there and is still there. I would rather bet that our new coach can work some magic with this group and make them fun to watch. Which of the suggested players in all of these trade scenarios would you rather watch than KD? It appears that virtually all of them keep us over the 2nd apron with lesser talent on longer contracts. The only one I am interested in is the one with the Heat which includes Ware, Jovic, Wiggans and number 20.

I know you are going to say you cannot stand KD and anyone will do or that is what many of you are saying. The only answer you come up with is for us to trade Booker and then everything will be just fine.

Just draft a quality big with 29. Try to get something for Beal, Allen and O'Neale. Yeah, sign some minimum guys and see if Ott can make it work. Hell, maybe he can even fit Beal in the mix. I just see us getting worse in the short term with no better future than when we can reload when KD's and Beal's contracts expire.

Beal has negative trade value -- -you have to spend too much to trade him....

The experiment is over - Durant has to go this offseason

I don't like getting back less than what an asset is worth (who does?) but there's always some merit in understanding sunk cost and just moving on. We're NEVER going to get back what we gave up for KD so even the best package will be a fraction of the original cost. We should take the best package and move on. Holding on to him in the hope of landing an extra pick in 2031 or some bench player in 8mths doesn’t really move the needle for me. There's also little to suggest that waiting for the trade deadline will noticeably lift his value either with him being a half season rental as he can't sign an extension once the season begins.

We paid new car prices for KD. As usual, his value dropped as soon as he left the lot.

[lilfishi22]

Fox is a short, streaky shooter with little range who doesnt play elite D. He's never gonna be as good as current Durant IMO and forget about prime Durant. He relies on his speed and that will go soon enough. Wemby is a baller, so they'll be fine but I doubt Fox ever sees an ASG-especially in the west. Maybe with this USA vs the World thing he can try and get in for another country if possible. But this one?

Not gonna happen.

You're selling Fox short. The past 3 seasons with the Kings, he averaged more than 25ppg while dishing out 6 assists and grabbing 5 rebounds. There's parts of his game which is lacking like consistent 3PT shooting and defense but the guy is all-star calibre. Just 2 seasons ago he led the Kings to 48wins while making an all-NBA 2nd team and made an all-star team.... in the West.

He's fine. Nothing too special and he won't make another all star game.

If he were offered for KD straight up, I'd say yes but only cause we need a PG. KD will add more wins for a team next 2 years than Fox will.

Given what I've seen from KD the last 2 years, he can clearly put up points and a bunch of other stuff but I'd have more confidence in Fox carrying the scoring load night in and night out for the next 2 years and beyond.

[KdoubleDees23]

Dude - I would not do the Miami Trade at all. none of those players are even good.

Best trade would be houston.

[Sunsdeuce]

I would trade KD for TJ McConnell straight up.

At this point, I think everyone would

[RaisingArizona]

That Heat package sucks. We should stick it to them for not dealing Butler to us

[Sunsdeuce]

Dude - I would not do the Miami Trade at all. none of those players are even good.

Best trade would be houston.

Hence why none of the players the Heat are trying to off load were full rotation players.

[BobbieL]

Spurs deal
Sochan
Barnes
14

Flip Vassell for Claxton or a center
Maybe Gifford and cap filler

[RaisingArizona]

OKC gets in on this with one more loss

[KdoubleDees23]

:x OKC gets in on this with one more loss

OKC hates KD . They wouldn’t let him back

[RaisingArizona]

Spurs deal
Sochan
Barnes
14

Flip Vassell for Claxton or a center
Maybe Gifford and cap filler

2 instead of 14.

[RaisingArizona]

:x OKC gets in on this with one more loss

OKC hates KD . They wouldn’t let him back

They'd get over it.

[DirtyDez]

Jovic?

Haha

I’m cool with Jovic and two 1sts. That’s 3 assets for a 37 year old.

[Sunsdeuce]

If OKC loses this series I see a Suns outcome. Meaning, the 2021 finals was the last time this team was a real contender. We were also a young team. Teams that lose in the Finals tend to over react and make dumb off season decisions.

A finals loss with devastate the OKC franchise.

[Slim Charless]

If OKC loses this series I see a Suns outcome. Meaning, the 2021 finals was the last time this team was a real contender. We were also a young team. Teams that lose in the Finals tend to over react and make dumb off season decisions.

A finals loss with devastate the OKC franchise.

:x OKC gets in on this with one more loss

OKC hates KD . They wouldn’t let him back

They'd get over it.

If they blow this on Sunday, its devastating and they absolutely would be down for a reunion.

If KD puts them on his list, then he's theirs most likely. I'll take Hartenstein, Caruso and 2 FRPs

[One_and_Done]

If OKC loses this series I see a Suns outcome. Meaning, the 2021 finals was the last time this team was a real contender. We were also a young team. Teams that lose in the Finals tend to over react and make dumb off season decisions.

A finals loss with devastate the OKC franchise.

OKC hates KD . They wouldn’t let him back

They'd get over it.

If they blow this on Sunday, its devastating and they absolutely would be down for a reunion.

If KD puts them on his list, then he's theirs most likely. I'll take Hartenstein, Caruso and 2 FRPs

That's just completely unrealistic. None of OKCs major pieces are going anywhere, and that includes Caruso and IH.

[lilfishi22]

If OKC loses this series I see a Suns outcome. Meaning, the 2021 finals was the last time this team was a real contender. We were also a young team. Teams that lose in the Finals tend to over react and make dumb off season decisions.

A finals loss with devastate the OKC franchise.

They'd get over it.

If they blow this on Sunday, its devastating and they absolutely would be down for a reunion.

If KD puts them on his list, then he's theirs most likely. I'll take Hartenstein, Caruso and 2 FRPs

That's just completely unrealistic. None of OKCs major pieces are going anywhere, and that includes Caruso and IH.

I think making the salary work without including one of their core pieces will be extremely difficult because I can't see us being particular interested in their other salaried pieces otherwise.

Technically you could get the salary to work with Dort, Isaiah Joe, Wiggins and Kenrich Williams but that's not exactly an enticing package, even with a couple of FRPs. And I also don't think OKC wants to trade 1/3 of their roster for KD.