2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[Slim Charless]

Suns fan here.

What do you think about Ware/Rozier/Duncan/#20?

That way you keep Jovic and JJJ plus we take Rozier off your hands?

I honestly think the Ware is the hold-up here in the deal getting done...

You are probably right. Duncan and #20 we can agree on...but the Heat is then probably insisting on Wiggins and one of JJJ/Jaquez instead of Rozier/Ware like you proposed.

It HAS to be Wiggins if we are only sending one prospect along with duncan.

If it's rozier and duncan we'd need to send two dudes that make 3-4M like jjj jovic love Ware etc

Ware rozier Duncan doesnt work and it failed in espn trade machine. And I really dont want to give up Ware.

I think most of us are OK with Wiggins duncan JJJ and 20th pick and anything more than that general feeling of the board is no thanks.

You should use fanspo.com it's better than ESPN in every possible way and gives WAY more information. It worked on there to btw.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

[DayofMourning]

Id say 90% of the Heat board doesnt want to trade Ware and 90% of the Suns board wants Ware.

The Heat need Ware to play at a high level with KD to compete for a chip.

[SA37]

Well I mean Wiggins, Jovic/Jaime, and a 1st matches almost exactly what they’re asking for…..

i guess this what the owner meant when he said he was going to be more hands on. this is more about ego and him listening to the media calling our offers trash and not thinkin logically

Suns fan here.

What do you think about Ware/Rozier/Duncan/#20?

That way you keep Jovic and JJJ plus we take Rozier off your hands?

I honestly think the Ware is the hold-up here in the deal getting done...

Most posters on here would rather pass on Durant than include Ware; I'm fine including Ware. I just think Miami shouldn't include both Wiggins and Ware, but if it were a multi-team deal where Miami got another rotation player with Durant, I'd consider it. What you've proposed is largely acceptable to me since Miami would be:

Bam / Love
Jovic / Anderson
Durant / Jaquez
Wiggins / Highsmith / Larsson
Herro / ???

Miami could still make a trade if FA targets didn't come through, but I think Miami could target C Paul, Westbrook, and/or Tyus Jones while potentially bringing back Davion Mitchell at PG. Burks seems likely to re-sign, as well.

[Voltron914]

Well I mean Wiggins, Jovic/Jaime, and a 1st matches almost exactly what they’re asking for…..

i guess this what the owner meant when he said he was going to be more hands on. this is more about ego and him listening to the media calling our offers trash and not thinkin logically

Suns fan here.

What do you think about Ware/Rozier/Duncan/#20?

That way you keep Jovic and JJJ plus we take Rozier off your hands?

I honestly think the Ware is the hold-up here in the deal getting done...

Ware is the one im not on board with trading away because of the dynamic of him Bam and KD together not so much of if he will be some superstar center. 1 of Jovic or JJJ but i prefer we keep Jovic cause i think he would compliment the team better but i dont know the vision of management and how they complete the roster post trade. i believe everybody else will benefit from Durant's gravity more so than him giving us a dominant performance every game. a DHO or pick and pop would be automatic with him

[MettaWorldPanda]

You are probably right. Duncan and #20 we can agree on...but the Heat is then probably insisting on Wiggins and one of JJJ/Jaquez instead of Rozier/Ware like you proposed.

It HAS to be Wiggins if we are only sending one prospect along with duncan.

If it's rozier and duncan we'd need to send two dudes that make 3-4M like jjj jovic love Ware etc

Ware rozier Duncan doesnt work and it failed in espn trade machine. And I really dont want to give up Ware.

I think most of us are OK with Wiggins duncan JJJ and 20th pick and anything more than that general feeling of the board is no thanks.

You should use fanspo.com it's better than ESPN in every possible way and gives WAY more information. It worked on there to btw.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

Have run the numbers a bunch of times

Wiggins or Rozier
Robinson
Jovic or JJJ
Larsson or Keshad Johnson
20th pick

This is the package that is legal without having to wait. I suggest you work with BK to dump Robinson’s full deal on them so you can save the full 19.8 million and allow them to release and use all that cap space to eat Duncan’s dead money. This gets you well under the tax line with money to sign your draft picks.

[Vertical Limit]

I feel like if a trade is going to happen with the Suns, we will need a third team involved somehow.

And if they want Ware and a first, i need that trade to take off both wiggins and kyle andersen, whether the suns absorb that contract or either or goes to third team. They can send Durant and someone like Cody Martin to us, who is on a 8 million expiring. Or Richards who is on a 5 million expiring. Or both, not sure but for Ware and a first, i need to be able to see both wiggins and andersen out.

[Vertical Limit]

Based on Ware’s production in his first season, i dont think its crazy to say that in a redraft he is a lottery pick, and that he can net us at least two firsts with one of them being unprotected.

[Slim Charless]

I feel like if a trade is going to happen with the Suns, we will need a third team involved somehow.

And if they want Ware and a first, i need that trade to take off both wiggins and kyle andersen, whether the suns absorb that contract or either or goes to third team. They can send Durant and someone like Cody Martin to us, who is on a 8 million expiring. Or Richards who is on a 5 million expiring. Or both, not sure but for Ware and a first, i need to be able to see both wiggins and andersen out.

If you want a replacement center, Richards would work for me, provided Ware is coming the other way. So Wigg/Ware/Rozer for KD/Richards works almost exactly. Add in the #20 and that would be fine I'd think.

[Wiltside]

I feel like if a trade is going to happen with the Suns, we will need a third team involved somehow.

And if they want Ware and a first, i need that trade to take off both wiggins and kyle andersen, whether the suns absorb that contract or either or goes to third team. They can send Durant and someone like Cody Martin to us, who is on a 8 million expiring. Or Richards who is on a 5 million expiring. Or both, not sure but for Ware and a first, i need to be able to see both wiggins and andersen out.

Suns can’t aggregate though at present. So I’m not sure what machinations need to happen before they can. Cutting Micic and Martin does it I believe.

[dubasilva]

This is the same drill as last year. There are 100+ pages of comments, and at the end, nothing happens.

Our front office lost its touch, or the other teams are unwilling to deal with Pat.

So we should comment more or less?

It is a free planet.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I feel like if a trade is going to happen with the Suns, we will need a third team involved somehow.

And if they want Ware and a first, i need that trade to take off both wiggins and kyle andersen, whether the suns absorb that contract or either or goes to third team. They can send Durant and someone like Cody Martin to us, who is on a 8 million expiring. Or Richards who is on a 5 million expiring. Or both, not sure but for Ware and a first, i need to be able to see both wiggins and andersen out.

Suns can’t aggregate though at present. So I’m not sure what machinations need to happen before they can. Cutting Micic and Martin does it I believe.

Suns are also banking on getting that close to 16 million off the books I assume

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

Elite shooter for the bench if true

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[wadenation305]

Well I mean Wiggins, Jovic/Jaime, and a 1st matches almost exactly what they’re asking for…..

i guess this what the owner meant when he said he was going to be more hands on. this is more about ego and him listening to the media calling our offers trash and not thinkin logically

Suns fan here.

What do you think about Ware/Rozier/Duncan/#20?

That way you keep Jovic and JJJ plus we take Rozier off your hands?

I honestly think the Ware is the hold-up here in the deal getting done...

Would rather pass on KD than include Ware under any circumstance

[DayofMourning]

Read on Twitter

Thats just nutty.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/phoenix-suns/phoenix-suns-reportedly-run-out-of-money/

Not even one whisper about this. Just talking about piling on more bad contracts and heading into repeater this year like it’s no biggie.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/suns-set-to-have-nbas-first-half-billion-dollar-payroll-in-2026-after-re-signing-royce-oneale-per-report/

[Beenie]

If OKC chokes, and its on account of their lack of 3 point shooting, wonder if they would consider trading for Herro.

Something like Dort, Wiggins, Topic and pick(s) for Herro and Jaime

[MettaWorldPanda]

If OKC chokes, and its on account of their lack of 3 point shooting, wonder if they would consider trading for Herro.

Something like Dort, Wiggins, Topic and pick(s) for Herro and Jaime

No they are not trading for Herro’s contract. Most likely they will draft Nique Clifford or Cedric Coward with the 15th pick.

[Beenie]

If OKC chokes, and its on account of their lack of 3 point shooting, wonder if they would consider trading for Herro.

Something like Dort, Wiggins, Topic and pick(s) for Herro and Jaime

No they are not trading for Herro’s contract. Most likely they will draft Nique Clifford or Cedric Coward with the 15th pick.

Whoever they draft wont be starting and will likely play limited minutes if not zero minutes for them in postseason next year.

If they identify an immediate need for high level shooting in their starting lineup, draft's not gonna help.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If OKC chokes, and its on account of their lack of 3 point shooting, wonder if they would consider trading for Herro.

Something like Dort, Wiggins, Topic and pick(s) for Herro and Jaime

No they are not trading for Herro’s contract. Most likely they will draft Nique Clifford or Cedric Coward with the 15th pick.

Whoever they draft wont be starting and will likely play limited minutes if not zero minutes for them in postseason next year.

If they identify an immediate need for high level shooting in their starting lineup, draft's not gonna help.

They are not going to commit to Herro’s salary when they have their own guys they need to take care of when contracts are up. They are plenty of low cost options out there they can roll with if they need shooting. Quality low cost vets they can look into