2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #181 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:49 am

This is my preference at the moment with ALL things considered:

1) Walter Clayton Jr.

2) Maxime Raynaud

3) Rasheer Fleming

basketballRob · Post #182 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:53 am

The Cavs fans are pooping their pants after we got Bane.

Oops, wrong thread

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VFX · Post #183 » by **VFX** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:22 am

Now after acquiring Bane and where the bench currently stands…

I believe this draft is entirely contingent upon what other moves are being made. This isn’t a BPA situation because the bench has a lot of glaring weaknesses to be honest.

If Orlando moves Isaac? Draft a PF/C big that can swing between both spots like Sorber or Fleming.

If Orlando moves either Goga or Carter? Draft a pure Center like Kalkbrenner, Wolf, or Raynaud.

If Orlando doesn’t plan on using the MLE on a back court guy? Draft Proctor, Clayton, or Kam Jones. Maybe do it anyway without waiting to see who is available.

I don’t think you can go wrong moving some of these guys currently on the roster to lower the cap while also replacing them with a rookie scale guy. Goga, Carter, Isaac, and Jett are eligible to be moved IMO.

The current issue I see with the bench is that there just isn’t enough firepower. Mosely will have to stagger lineups a lot of the time and god forbid an injury to anyone in the current back court. We know what that looks like already.

I see a lot of names being discussed for bigs here right now. The problem is that by Christmas Orlando already has 3 Centers getting minutes. Paolo and JI should be getting every PF minute and Tristan is getting the rest. AB doesn’t do enough offensively to be relied upon until otherwise seen. There are currently 3 guards on the entire roster. 2 if you don’t count AB as anything other than a wing. And no, Jett Howard doesn’t count.

drsd · Post #184 » by **drsd** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:42 am

The Effect wrote:
magicfan217 wrote:So if Walter Clayton is gone who do we want the Magic to draft?

Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Yanic Konan Niederhauser

In that order

If you like bigs, is Wolf on your list also?

FOr me, the Magic should target a PG or combo guard. So my list would be, if no Clayton, Jase Richardson, Ben Saraf, or Tyrese Proctor.

RookieStar · Post #185 » by **RookieStar** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:50 am

drsd wrote:
The Effect wrote:
magicfan217 wrote:So if Walter Clayton is gone who do we want the Magic to draft?

Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Yanic Konan Niederhauser

In that order

If you like bigs, is Wolf on your list also?

FOr me, the Magic should target a PG or combo guard. So my list would be, if no Clayton, Jase Richardson, Ben Saraf, or Tyrese Proctor.

Tyrese is in the Nemnhard/Neismith family of being 6'5 defensive offguards that shoots the 3.

Why not. We only have Suggs Bane and Black for that. 1 more couldnt hurt

Idiosyncratic · Post #186 » by **Idiosyncratic** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:08 pm

I think they can just draft whatever. They need guard depth, they need wing depth, they need big depth. I think you lean toward a guy you think is more likely to be ready sooner than later due to our timeline now, but that still wouldn’t stop me if like Riley was there and they have him rated higher than the other options by a lot.

I don’t think big is the guaranteed need unless they move Goga. Wendell/Goga/Mo/Isaac all can play center at at least an average level. I wouldn’t expect anyone drafted to be better than them right now. They lack high end options there, but again don’t think you are looking for that at 25. Still not opposed to a big though because I like the late big options and I think they could swap Goga for shooting or guard play. Plus the big drafted maybe could surpass Wendell one day if we get lucky.

Clayton is an obvious pick. I’d take Riley, Jase, Thiero, Penda, Clifford, or Powell all day at 25. I’d consider Hugo Gonzalez. For bigs I would be fine with Wolf, Fleming, Klakbrenner or Raynaud. I don’t like Raynaud as much as others because I don’t like how he moves on defense, but still a fine pick at 25.

Would love for them to find a way to get Broome in the 2nd. Hard to mess this draft up IMO. Should be some fun options at 25 and at least a quality option at 46.

Skybox · Post #187 » by **Skybox** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:38 pm

RookieStar wrote:
drsd wrote:
The Effect wrote:
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Yanic Konan Niederhauser

In that order

If you like bigs, is Wolf on your list also?

FOr me, the Magic should target a PG or combo guard. So my list would be, if no Clayton, Jase Richardson, Ben Saraf, or Tyrese Proctor.

Tyrese is in the Nemnhard/Neismith family of being 6'5 defensive offguards that shoots the 3.

Why not. We only have Suggs Bane and Black for that. 1 more couldnt hurt

I'm no NCAA expert but all I read about Proctor looks pretty good...if defense is the plan...He's listed as a PG, so I imagine there's at least some handles, but drafting a guy in the 2nd with size, big program experience, proven shooting makes a lot of sense...maybe more so than spending $14m on NAW.

I like NAW and I'd love to have him, but we just unloaded KCP, we have a starting backcourt that may or may not have the playmaking we need, and - most of all- we have AB ...who looks a lot like NAW already. I think we need to be real careful with that MLE investment and make sure we don't spend another summer simply upgrading Gary again.

I was really excited about young NAW, before he bounced around the NBA and found his place as a role player defensive specialist. I can remember occasionally reading a box score where he put up big points...If he's still got those facilitating and scoring abilities- great...but I'm not excited about losing Moe or Isaac for a cheaper KCP. Powell is another big guard who defends and could be available with a srp...draft a couple of those guys, let them duke it out in camp and pay them $700,000 to do the same job. Use the MLE for a real difference-maker (for us)...an underpaid starting C like Gafford or a flamethrowing PG off the bench like Ty Jerome, Schroeder, or even DLo...then pair them with AB...IF we NEED NAW, then we probably don't have a job for AB. (which is not what I'm suggesting)

basketballRob · Post #188 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:41 pm

Utah is working out Clayton and Riley today.

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Skybox · Post #189 » by **Skybox** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:05 pm

looking at srp possible hidden gems...anyone familiar with Javon Small?

22yo PG from West Virginia, 6'2.25" barefoot, 6'4.75" wingspan, crazy elite vertical and agility numbers from combine
18.6 ppg, 5.6 apg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 steals, .353 from 3 on over 7 attempts, 88% Fts
Tankathon likes his offensive AND defensive BPM and his defensive win shares

hmmmm?

RookieStar · Post #190 » by **RookieStar** » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:45 pm

Skybox wrote:looking at srp possible hidden gems...anyone familiar with Javon Small?

22yo PG from West Virginia, 6'2.25" barefoot, 6'4.75" wingspan, crazy elite vertical and agility numbers from combine
18.6 ppg, 5.6 apg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 steals, .353 from 3 on over 7 attempts, 88% Fts
Tankathon likes his offensive AND defensive BPM and his defensive win shares

hmmmm?

we did work him out... undrafted pick for us?

Orl_Magic · Post #191 » by **Orl_Magic** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:20 am

basketballRob wrote:Utah is working out Clayton and Riley today.

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FFS!! Utah has enough decent backcourt guys already

Orl_Magic · Post #192 » by **Orl_Magic** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:24 am

RookieStar wrote:
Skybox wrote:looking at srp possible hidden gems...anyone familiar with Javon Small?

22yo PG from West Virginia, 6'2.25" barefoot, 6'4.75" wingspan, crazy elite vertical and agility numbers from combine
18.6 ppg, 5.6 apg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 steals, .353 from 3 on over 7 attempts, 88% Fts
Tankathon likes his offensive AND defensive BPM and his defensive win shares

hmmmm?

we did work him out... undrafted pick for us?

Where did you see we worked him out?

RookieStar · Post #193 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:32 am

Orl_Magic wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Skybox wrote:looking at srp possible hidden gems...anyone familiar with Javon Small?

22yo PG from West Virginia, 6'2.25" barefoot, 6'4.75" wingspan, crazy elite vertical and agility numbers from combine
18.6 ppg, 5.6 apg, 4.1 rpg, 1.5 steals, .353 from 3 on over 7 attempts, 88% Fts
Tankathon likes his offensive AND defensive BPM and his defensive win shares

hmmmm?

we did work him out... undrafted pick for us?

Where did you see we worked him out?

Hoopshype or bleacher report? I was looking for which prospects for th 16th pick we were working out

cedric76 · Post #194 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:40 am

I want a big at #25 but I m pretty confident that Jase or/ and Clayton jr will be available there.

Can you afford to pass on them to get a big?

RookieStar · Post #195 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:47 am

cedric76 wrote:I want a big at #25 but I m pretty confident that Jase or/ and Clayton jr will be available there.

Can you afford to pass on them to get a big?

Considering that i dont think ANY rookie PG can contribute meaningfully to our next season campaign for an ECF berth... then yeah.

I mean even if we miss out on them, i dont think they are in the CP3, Curry level of pg

drsd · Post #196 » by **drsd** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:27 am

Skybox wrote:looking at srp possible hidden gems...

Koby Brea looks as a lock for becoming a rotational player in 2-3 years. The "Houstan" of this draft.

As for hidden-gem, the SRP that could be a starter is Hansen Yang. He is all boom or bust. But for the second round, he is 100% worth the risk.
He has that "Zach Edey" all offence, no defense vibe to him.

drsd · Post #197 » by **drsd** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:31 am

RookieStar wrote:Considering that i dont think ANY rookie PG can contribute meaningfully to our next season campaign for an ECF berth... then yeah.

I mean even if we miss out on them, i dont think they are in the CP3, Curry level of pg

And-1

Let's say the Magic frees up another 500k in salary space, a vet-min deal for a seasoned vet like Kyle Lowry, Patrick Mills, or Reggie Jackson makes 10,000x more sense than any rookie as the 3rd string PG.

Heck, just resign Joseph.

drsd · Post #198 » by **drsd** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:33 am

cedric76 wrote:I want a big at #25 but I m pretty confident that Jase or/ and Clayton jr will be available there.

Can you afford to pass on them to get a big?

Yes. Wolf and Raynaud are better than Clayton. And you can't teach height.

cedric76 · Post #199 » by **cedric76** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:39 am

drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:I want a big at #25 but I m pretty confident that Jase or/ and Clayton jr will be available there.

Can you afford to pass on them to get a big?

Yes. Wolf and Raynaud are better than Clayton. And you can't teach height.

I think we can draft a Back up C at #25, so when we have to trade Goga we dont end up naked at the C position

Ducklett · Post #200 » by **Ducklett** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:45 am

cedric76 wrote:
drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:I want a big at #25 but I m pretty confident that Jase or/ and Clayton jr will be available there.

Can you afford to pass on them to get a big?

Yes. Wolf and Raynaud are better than Clayton. And you can't teach height.

I think we can draft a Back up C at #25, so when we have to trade Goga we dont end up naked at the C position

Why do we have to trade Goga?