FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025

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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#161 » by ReggiesKnicks » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:21 pm

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durantbird wrote:What if draft, based on: Walton, Penny, Roy, Sampson, Yao, Hill, Rose, McGrady, Oden

Option 1: teammates for those guys
Includes Bird, Shaq, LeBron (Oden teammate), Wade, Nash, Hakeem, T-Mac (we might include the guys themselves anyway), Butler, Noah, Kawhi, Duncan, Vince, Manu, Howard, Towns, Vince, Roy, Amar'e, McHale, Allen

Option 2: scavenger hunt format

For Walton/Oden/Roy, Penny/McGrady, Rose, Hill, Yao/Sampson
We can use 5 franchises - Portland, Orlando, Chicago, Detroit, Houston
And then either add 3 more guys to get additional three franchises (Pelicans for Zion? Boston to add for Walton? Cavs for Daugherty?)
Or add other categories, like one-time All NBA First, Top-5 Pick Who Didn’t Make an All-Star Game (for Oden), Rookie of the Year winners who weren't All NBA First


Why those players? I feel silly, I feel like there's a common theme I'm totally missing here and I'm gonna feel stupid when you say it.


They all had their careers (Primes) cut relatively short due to injury.

I think McGrady doesn't belong.
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#162 » by durantbird » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:40 pm

Snakebites wrote:
durantbird wrote:What if draft, based on: Walton, Penny, Roy, Sampson, Yao, Hill, Rose, McGrady, Oden

Option 1: teammates for those guys
Includes Bird, Shaq, LeBron (Oden teammate), Wade, Nash, Hakeem, T-Mac (we might include the guys themselves anyway), Butler, Noah, Kawhi, Duncan, Vince, Manu, Howard, Towns, Vince, Roy, Amar'e, McHale, Allen

Option 2: scavenger hunt format

For Walton/Oden/Roy, Penny/McGrady, Rose, Hill, Yao/Sampson
We can use 5 franchises - Portland, Orlando, Chicago, Detroit, Houston
And then either add 3 more guys to get additional three franchises (Pelicans for Zion? Boston to add for Walton? Cavs for Daugherty?)
Or add other categories, like one-time All NBA First, Top-5 Pick Who Didn’t Make an All-Star Game (for Oden), Rookie of the Year winners who weren't All NBA First


Why those players? I feel silly, I feel like there's a common theme I'm totally missing here and I'm gonna feel stupid when you say it.

Players whose careers were meaningfully hampered by injuries. They serve as a common example for a "what if" scenario based on injury history.

Which of the versions do you think is best?
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#163 » by Snakebites » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:45 pm

durantbird wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
durantbird wrote:What if draft, based on: Walton, Penny, Roy, Sampson, Yao, Hill, Rose, McGrady, Oden

Option 1: teammates for those guys
Includes Bird, Shaq, LeBron (Oden teammate), Wade, Nash, Hakeem, T-Mac (we might include the guys themselves anyway), Butler, Noah, Kawhi, Duncan, Vince, Manu, Howard, Towns, Vince, Roy, Amar'e, McHale, Allen

Option 2: scavenger hunt format

For Walton/Oden/Roy, Penny/McGrady, Rose, Hill, Yao/Sampson
We can use 5 franchises - Portland, Orlando, Chicago, Detroit, Houston
And then either add 3 more guys to get additional three franchises (Pelicans for Zion? Boston to add for Walton? Cavs for Daugherty?)
Or add other categories, like one-time All NBA First, Top-5 Pick Who Didn’t Make an All-Star Game (for Oden), Rookie of the Year winners who weren't All NBA First


Why those players? I feel silly, I feel like there's a common theme I'm totally missing here and I'm gonna feel stupid when you say it.

Players whose careers were meaningfully hampered by injuries. They serve as a common example for a "what if" scenario based on injury history.

Which of the versions do you think is best?

Scavenger hunt.

With three thematic categories, not three additional teams.

1) One single time All NBA First
2) 1 Season Selected where the player was ineligible the year before (aka a comeback season)- this beefs up the high end talent numbers by adding guys like KD, Kawhi, Robinson, Steph
3) Top 5 pick non-All Star
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#164 » by durantbird » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:42 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Top 8 Draft?

Players in seasons on the Top 8 finishing teams this season.

OKC
Denver
Minnesota
Golden State
Indiana
Cleveland
New York
Boston

Some deep franchises here.

I like this pool, we can do it after the What If Draft (assuming we get enough guys to start the What If)
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#165 » by durantbird » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:49 am

An idea that fits a small number of participants: Finalists who were 3rd seed or less

According to ChatGPT, this is the list since 1990:

1990 Portland Trail Blazers, 1991 Los Angeles Lakers, 1995 Houston Rockets, 1999 New York Knicks, 2004 Detroit Pistons, 2006 Dallas Mavericks, 2007 San Antonio Spurs, 2009 Orlando Magic, 2010 Boston Celtics, 2011 Dallas Mavericks, 2018 Cleveland Cavaliers, 2020 Miami Heat, 2021 Milwaukee Bucks, 2022 Golden State Warriors, 2023 Miami Heat, 2024 Dallas Mavericks, 2025 Indiana Pacers

We'll use these years only
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Post#166 » by migya » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:56 am

You'll find you'll get more interest if you include the older eras and not as loaded teams. Something like, pick in pairs, a starter from "x team" and a bench player from that same team.
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#167 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:27 am

Free Agency Pairs Draft

Draft using franchise pairs involving a major free agent movement.

Using this list: https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/greatest-free-agent-signings-nba-history

Clippers/Raptors (Kawhi)
Pistons/Wolves (Billups)
Raptors/Heat (Bosh)
Sixers/Rockets (Moses)
Suns/Mavs (Nash)
Lakers/Cavs (Lebron)
Cavs/Heat (Lebron Twice!)
Warriors/OKC (KD)
Lakers/Magic (Shaq)
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#168 » by ReggiesKnicks » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:38 am

durantbird wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:Top 8 Draft?

Players in seasons on the Top 8 finishing teams this season.

OKC
Denver
Minnesota
Golden State
Indiana
Cleveland
New York
Boston

Some deep franchises here.

I like this pool, we can do it after the What If Draft (assuming we get enough guys to start the What If)


Did this ever happen? Sorry, I may have missed it.
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#169 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:03 am

Snakebites wrote:Free Agency Pairs Draft

Draft using franchise pairs involving a major free agent movement.

Using this list: https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/greatest-free-agent-signings-nba-history

Clippers/Raptors (Kawhi)
Pistons/Wolves (Billups)
Raptors/Heat (Bosh)
Sixers/Rockets (Moses)
Suns/Mavs (Nash)
Lakers/Cavs (Lebron)
Cavs/Heat (Lebron Twice!)
Warriors/OKC (KD)
Lakers/Magic (Shaq)

Wanted to add Pacers/Bucks just to have some representation from the current offseason, but the pool is already very deep.
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#170 » by ReggiesKnicks » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:13 am

Snakebites wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Free Agency Pairs Draft

Draft using franchise pairs involving a major free agent movement.

Using this list: https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/greatest-free-agent-signings-nba-history

Clippers/Raptors (Kawhi)
Pistons/Wolves (Billups)
Raptors/Heat (Bosh)
Sixers/Rockets (Moses)
Suns/Mavs (Nash)
Lakers/Cavs (Lebron)
Cavs/Heat (Lebron Twice!)
Warriors/OKC (KD)
Lakers/Magic (Shaq)

Wanted to add Pacers/Bucks just to have some representation from the current offseason, but the pool is already very deep.


Maybe cut the Moses pair since it was in the '80s
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#171 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:21 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Free Agency Pairs Draft

Draft using franchise pairs involving a major free agent movement.

Using this list: https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/greatest-free-agent-signings-nba-history

Clippers/Raptors (Kawhi)
Pistons/Wolves (Billups)
Raptors/Heat (Bosh)
Sixers/Rockets (Moses)
Suns/Mavs (Nash)
Lakers/Cavs (Lebron)
Cavs/Heat (Lebron Twice!)
Warriors/OKC (KD)
Lakers/Magic (Shaq)

Wanted to add Pacers/Bucks just to have some representation from the current offseason, but the pool is already very deep.


Maybe cut the Moses pair since it was in the '80s


Probably a good idea. Then just cut it off at 1996-97 season- Shaq's first year with the Lakers since that would be the earliest remaining signing. That keeps much of the 90s intact but removes Magic, which at least does a little bit to limit the depth of the pool.
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#172 » by durantbird » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:25 am

Snakebites wrote:Free Agency Pairs Draft

Draft using franchise pairs involving a major free agent movement.

Using this list: https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/greatest-free-agent-signings-nba-history

Clippers/Raptors (Kawhi)
Pistons/Wolves (Billups)
Raptors/Heat (Bosh)
Sixers/Rockets (Moses)
Suns/Mavs (Nash)
Lakers/Cavs (Lebron)
Cavs/Heat (Lebron Twice!)
Warriors/OKC (KD)
Lakers/Magic (Shaq)

Another idea inspired by this is big trades in this off-season
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#173 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:40 am

durantbird wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Free Agency Pairs Draft

Draft using franchise pairs involving a major free agent movement.

Using this list: https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/greatest-free-agent-signings-nba-history

Clippers/Raptors (Kawhi)
Pistons/Wolves (Billups)
Raptors/Heat (Bosh)
Sixers/Rockets (Moses)
Suns/Mavs (Nash)
Lakers/Cavs (Lebron)
Cavs/Heat (Lebron Twice!)
Warriors/OKC (KD)
Lakers/Magic (Shaq)

Another idea inspired by this is big trades in this off-season

We could see more trades, so to me this is an idea that should wait. The dust has largely settled in terms of Free Agency.
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#174 » by Laimbeer » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:52 pm

How about a no all-nba seasons draft? We sort of stumbled on this in the last game, but if we all understand upfront it does have an unique impact on top players.
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2) He can be traded later
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#175 » by durantbird » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:32 pm

Laimbeer wrote:How about a no all-nba seasons draft? We sort of stumbled on this in the last game, but if we all understand upfront it does have an unique impact on top players.

Is the top end talent interesting enough?
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Re: FUTURE DRAFT GAMES THREAD - 2/9/2025 

Post#176 » by ReggiesKnicks » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:36 pm

Laimbeer wrote:How about a no all-nba seasons draft? We sort of stumbled on this in the last game, but if we all understand upfront it does have an unique impact on top players.


Seems like it will be littered with 42-55 game seasons. Like 2025 Victor Wembanyama.

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