2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[Fierce1]

Seems to be a very logical trade for both teams would be Porzingis to Orlando for M Wagner, Carter, Howard and #25 pick. Magic would have a center that can shoot to go with Suggs, F Wagner, Bane, and Banchero. Celtics would have a long term cheap center in Carter, the #25 pick and after cutting M Wagner, $14.3 in reduced salary. In my opinion this makes so much sense that it will never happen.

It won't happen because Brad will not help a potential playoff opponent.

[flintsky21]

1. Am I the only on this board who is actually "OK" with a Holiday-Derozan swap? Importantly, it saves the team about 7 million. And while Derozan isn't a 3 pt shooter, he is still a 20 ppg guy who would make up for some of the lost scoring from Tatum and would take some pressure off Brown as the primary scorer.

2. Would KP + pick/s be good enough for John Collins from Utah? A further 4 million saved.

3. Then trading Hauser 10 mil into somebody's cap space would effectively bring us below the second apron.

Horford (hopefully signs for vet min?)
Collins
Derozan
Brown
White

Pritchard
Scheierman

Tillman
Queta
Walsh
Davison

**Tatum

Obviously you'd still need a decent backup center and a couple bench pieces but you'd have three 16 ppg guys to complement Brown. I think these deals are pretty realistic too.

[Fierce1]

DeRozan is on the decline.

Celtics need more speed to keep up with OKC and Indy.

Fast and explosive are what the Cs are lacking.

[GreenBlooded]

Seems to be a very logical trade for both teams would be Porzingis to Orlando for M Wagner, Carter, Howard and #25 pick. Magic would have a center that can shoot to go with Suggs, F Wagner, Bane, and Banchero. Celtics would have a long term cheap center in Carter, the #25 pick and after cutting M Wagner, $14.3 in reduced salary. In my opinion this makes so much sense that it will never happen.

If I'm Orlando, trading my big man depth for porzingus is not logical. Orlando would be more likely to want something like Isaac and a 2nd for porzingus. If porzingus flames out, it wouldn't hurt my rotation bc I'd still have Carter and Wagner. Or if money is the issue, I'd be able to cut Wagner and still have Carter and bitzsde sp? as depth.

[jmr07019]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

[threrf23]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

I think they traded Fox b/c he was having doubts about the franchise & they were worried they wouldn't be able to resign him. I wouldn't read too much more into it.

Sabonis is in his prime and I agree that he would be a good target for us, particularly if we were trading Jaylen, partially cause salaries & partially cause that's where Jaylen grew up.

IIRC the Kings were said to be interested in Jrue. Malik Monk may make an interesting target as he is redundant alongside Lavine.

[ddb]

1. Am I the only on this board who is actually "OK" with a Holiday-Derozan swap? Importantly, it saves the team about 7 million. And while Derozan isn't a 3 pt shooter, he is still a 20 ppg guy who would make up for some of the lost scoring from Tatum and would take some pressure off Brown as the primary scorer.

2. Would KP + pick/s be good enough for John Collins from Utah? A further 4 million saved.

3. Then trading Hauser 10 mil into somebody's cap space would effectively bring us below the second apron.

Horford (hopefully signs for vet min?)
Collins
Derozan
Brown
White

Pritchard
Scheierman

Tillman
Queta
Walsh
Davison

**Tatum

Obviously you'd still need a decent backup center and a couple bench pieces but you'd have three 16 ppg guys to complement Brown. I think these deals are pretty realistic too.

Collins & DeRozen are not ball movement, cutting, team guys. Neither player fits into what the Celtics do at all. I'm good. No Thanks.

[ddb]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

Is there a dislike button?

[ddb]

SI has a mock trade between Boston & San Antonio. Jaylen Brown to Spurs for Castle, Vassell, #2, a top 10 protected future first and another pick. I doubt the Spurs would offer that, but if they do, Brad will HAVE to accept that deal. Type of trade that instantly resets Boston. Opens up a bunch of other options for Brad as well. For example, would Dallas do #2 & Derrick White for #1?

Jaylen Brown/Derrick White for Flagg, Vassell, Castle and 2 future 1sts. That's the end result.

Fun to at least think about.

[Hal14]

SI has a mock trade between Boston & San Antonio. Jaylen Brown to Spurs for Castle, Vassell, #2, a top 10 protected future first and another pick. I doubt the Spurs would offer that, but if they do, Brad will HAVE to accept that deal. Type of trade that instantly resets Boston.

Yup, I would definitely do that deal..agree that SA likely says no though.

Opens up a bunch of other options for Brad as well. For example, would Dallas do #2 & Derrick White for #1?

Jaylen Brown/Derrick White for Flagg, Vassell, Castle and 2 future 1sts. That's the end result.

I don't think I would do that. I'd rather have Harper/White than Flagg. Flagg is better than Harper but it's not a huge gap imo. Not worth losing D-white.

I also doubt Dallas would do it..especially since they have Kyrie so less of a need to add Harper and White..

[ddb]

SI has a mock trade between Boston & San Antonio. Jaylen Brown to Spurs for Castle, Vassell, #2, a top 10 protected future first and another pick. I doubt the Spurs would offer that, but if they do, Brad will HAVE to accept that deal. Type of trade that instantly resets Boston.

Yup, I would definitely do that deal..agree that SA likely says no though.

Opens up a bunch of other options for Brad as well. For example, would Dallas do #2 & Derrick White for #1?

Jaylen Brown/Derrick White for Flagg, Vassell, Castle and 2 future 1sts. That's the end result.

I don't think I would do that. I'd rather have Harper/White than Flagg. Flagg is better than Harper but it's not a huge gap imo. Not worth losing D-white.

I also doubt Dallas would do it..especially since they have Kyrie so less of a need to add Harper and White..

Yeah, but think about when Tatum comes back.

Jrue-Castle-Tatum-Flagg-KP
PP-Vassell-Hauser-Horford

If Flagg is the real deal, Castle keeps getting better, plus more picks coming. HOLY WOW

[tbceltics34]

SI has a mock trade between Boston & San Antonio. Jaylen Brown to Spurs for Castle, Vassell, #2, a top 10 protected future first and another pick. I doubt the Spurs would offer that, but if they do, Brad will HAVE to accept that deal. Type of trade that instantly resets Boston.

Yup, I would definitely do that deal..agree that SA likely says no though.

Opens up a bunch of other options for Brad as well. For example, would Dallas do #2 & Derrick White for #1?

Jaylen Brown/Derrick White for Flagg, Vassell, Castle and 2 future 1sts. That's the end result.

I don't think I would do that. I'd rather have Harper/White than Flagg. Flagg is better than Harper but it's not a huge gap imo. Not worth losing D-white.

I also doubt Dallas would do it..especially since they have Kyrie so less of a need to add Harper and White..

Yeah, but think about when Tatum comes back.

Jrue-Castle-Tatum-Flagg-KP
PP-Vassell-Hauser-Horford

If Flagg is the real deal, Castle keeps getting better, plus more picks coming. HOLY WOW

I usually just lurk and don't comment much but I had to when I saw this.

My goodness that team and future of that team is insane (in a great way). I would be all for this and have to possibly say, that would be an ABSOLUTE dream offseason imo.

[djFan71]

You got me! I left Brown out of the T&T board one cuz people lose their mind if you ask for even a top 55 protected 2nd for him. I knew Spurs fans would hate trading 2, and there's some validity there. I might put Maluach in your 2nd tier too, but that still leaves 7 out in the cold with KJ or any number of choices. But, I like Trey more than anything you could get from the 4-6 teams. If the draft is the main focus of the deal, you probably just keep #2.

Was more of a fun exercise than anything. I ultimately probably don't trade JB. Just wanted to see if there was a version I could come up with that I liked.

Yeah Malauch is a really good shout, I think he could squeeze into that to 5 and make it a top 6 but sitting at #7 means we're not masters of our own destiny. Wizards just drafted Sarr and Jazz have Kessler/Lauri/Flip so I could see him still being there are #7 or one of the aforementioned teams taking #28 or #32 off our hands to swap knowing that they'd likely still get their guy at #7.

And if you're keeping #14 you could double dip at the big man position and hope between the two we come away with someone who can hold it down on the cheap for a few years. Derik Queen seems like he might fly up closer to Malauch than being there at #14 but he would be a great get if he was still there. Any of the other project bigs though would do: Beringer, Wolf, Sorber, Newall as a PF.

Depending on what we do with KP/Jrue we could put together a scrappy team that features the guys we are trying to develop plus a bunch of pieces that potentially could get sold off for value by the deadline if we're looking more like a lotto team than a play-in.

Here's a Jrue/KP trade I'm trying to kick around with CHI/LAC:

BOS in: Vucevic, Dunn, Carter, Eubanks
BOS out: Jrue, KP, Tillman

CHI: KP, Bogdan
CHI out: Vucevic, Carter

LAC: Jrue, Tillman
LAC out: Bogdon, Eubanks, Dunn

Bulls eat an extra $18m to upgrade from Vuc to KP. LAC take on Jrue's long-term money for expiring parts.

C's basically get the poor man's version of both KP (Vuc) and Jrue (Dunn) but we also shave $24m off our cap hit. You combine that with the savings from the SAS/NOP Brown deal and they're like $2m under the tax having filled an extra 2 roster spots with guys who shouldn't be overly expensive to dump if we want to go further (KO, Dunn, Eubanks, Carter are all expiring money).

Again I'm not in favor of trading JB but if we did the above and then at #7 and #14 take say Malauch and Newell we're looking at this next year:

Pritchard/ Davison/ Carter
White/ Dunn/ Scheierman
Murphy/ Hauser/
Olynyk/ Newell/ Walsh
Vucevic/ Maluach/ Queta/ Eubanks

HUGE step back absolutely but scrappy young team plus a couple of expiring vets that could be trade deadline targets (Vuc, KO, Hauser, Dunn) for Brad to stack even more assets going into the summer. Either it goes really well and we're a playoff team with a cornerstone player coming back or we're terrible and add a lotto pick to the warchest.

I know people hate taking a step back but this is the type of re-tooling that I'd aim for. Take a step back but still poised to jump back ahead when the time is right.

I do think CHI is a possibility on the KP side. I've seen versions on T&T board, I like yours as well. I usually do KP and Jrue separately to maximize salary savings, though. I just posted a new KP/CHI one KP one where we get back Gabe Vincent and Julian Phillips saving $17M.

My fav Jrue trade is DAL/ATL.
DAL gets Jrue for Gafford, Klay
ATL gets Gafford, Hauser for 22 (maybe we send 28 or 32 here, try not to)
We get 22 and Klay.
Saves another $14Mish. Depending on who gets the DAL filler (OMP/Powell)

With that you get super close to the tax line, but slightly over if you resign Kornet and keep the picks. But, you're a move or two away.

Very similar to hugepatsfan's Klay/Vandy end game - and could be done with Vandy in place of Vincent to end up exactly there.

Even better if we get more out of DAL and have them pay to dump Klay elsewhere, or do some combo of Marshall/Martin/Hardy/OMP instead which are easier to move along. I think that's feasible, but don't bother bringing it up on T&T anymore

The Brown stuff is fun, but super unlikely, and I think overall I prefer not doing it. But, always get sucked back in to trying scenarios.

[Hal14]

I don't really want Vucevic. He plays no defense. Is getting up there in age so from here on he'll be declining (already has been declining a bit in recent years). And has never really impacted winning. Empty stats kind of guy.

I get that he's expiring. But I still would rather not get him, even if it's just for 1 year.

Like, Tristan Thompson, Enes Kanter, Jabari Parker and Dennis Schroder were only here for a short amount of time and it was terrible - Fournier too.

Even if it's only for a year, I'd rather just get players who are actually good and who fit well with what we are trying to build.

[djFan71]

1. Am I the only on this board who is actually "OK" with a Holiday-Derozan swap? Importantly, it saves the team about 7 million. And while Derozan isn't a 3 pt shooter, he is still a 20 ppg guy who would make up for some of the lost scoring from Tatum and would take some pressure off Brown as the primary scorer.

2. Would KP + pick/s be good enough for John Collins from Utah? A further 4 million saved.

3. Then trading Hauser 10 mil into somebody's cap space would effectively bring us below the second apron.

Horford (hopefully signs for vet min?)
Collins
Derozan
Brown
White

Pritchard
Scheierman

Tillman
Queta
Walsh
Davison

**Tatum

Obviously you'd still need a decent backup center and a couple bench pieces but you'd have three 16 ppg guys to complement Brown. I think these deals are pretty realistic too.

May main problem with the DDR trade is doesn't save quite enough. SAC has to add one more player, so you really only save at most $5.6M if it's Jones. If you get assets back to use to help grease more savings elsewhere, sure. Same with the KP/Collins one. If we're going to send picks, I'd want to save more.

The final lineup is decent, but you end up above the apron still by the time you add 28 and getting back to 14 roster.

[djFan71]

I don't really want Vucevic. He plays no defense. Is getting up there in age so from here on he'll be declining (already has been declining a bit in recent years). And has never really impacted winning. Empty stats kind of guy.

I get that he's expiring. But I still would rather not get him, even if it's just for 1 year.

Like, Tristan Thompson, Enes Kanter, Jabari Parker and Dennis Schroder were only here for a short amount of time and it was terrible - Fournier too.

Even if it's only for a year, I'd rather just get players who are actually good and who fit well with what we are trying to build.

Yeah, that's why I forward him on in my proposals. Similar thoughts on Kuzma. He's an easy $ savings trade, but I don't want him here at all.

Vuc isn't quite as bad, though. If you had to end up with him, it's OK I guess, but I'd definitely look to try to avoid it.

[Larry_Russell]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

I really need to see Sabonis be a rim protector, and I dont think he will ever be that unfortunately.


JJJr I would love on this team.

[ddb]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

I really need to see Sabonis be a rim protector, and I dont think he will ever be that unfortunately.


JJJr I would love on this team.

Both would be highly frustrating to watch on a nightly basis

[Larry_Russell]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

I really need to see Sabonis be a rim protector, and I dont think he will ever be that unfortunately.


JJJr I would love on this team.

Both would be highly frustrating to watch on a nightly basis

Jjjr fat less so imo.

[Hal14]

The anticipation is starting to really kill me lol.

-Who gets traded? (KP, Jrue, Hauser...maybe JB, white..will Brad shock everyone by moving Pritchard? Seems like Tatum is basically the only untouchable)
-What are we going to get back in these trades?
-Does Al resign, retire or sign elsewhere? Seems like retire has only like a 2% chance of happening. Resign seems like probably an 80% (?) chance of happening
-Does Kornet resign or sign elsewhere? This one seems kind of like a 50/50 at this point
-Who do we take in the draft? Do we trade up in the draft?

So many burning questions..

I'm on the edge of my seat haha.